how hot are wolf primers?


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fireflyfather
February 27, 2008, 01:47 AM
How hot compared to other brands, and how soft is the metal (for primer strikes)?

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Capt. Capsize
February 27, 2008, 09:00 AM
Sounds like no one has tried them yet. I almost bought some at the gun show last weekend, they were $4. per thousand cheaper than the popular brands. But I chickened out at the last moment. I should have talked to the dealer, he is our major local supplier of reloading components and tools.

Seafarer12
February 27, 2008, 09:57 AM
I have heard they are a litle on the hard side but I have never personally used them.

KI.W.
February 27, 2008, 02:34 PM
Wolf primers means very bad quality control. :uhoh::uhoh::p :uhoh:

stubbicatt
February 27, 2008, 02:47 PM
A lot of guys hereabouts are using them with great success. The small rifle magnum primers are quite hard, and stand up to free floated firing pins quite well. The standard SR primers are as good as any others.

Haven't tried them myself, but have spoken with those who have and they have received thumbs up from everyone I've spoken to about them.

KI.W.
February 27, 2008, 02:57 PM
A lot of guys are using them.......The guys, are they bench rest shooters?

evan price
February 28, 2008, 12:25 AM
I bought 5000 small pistol and tried them out in .38 special, .357 magnum and 9mm.

They are a harder cup, like a Winchester or CCI. They always went bang everytime I shot one. They feel a smidge tighter than WIN primers, but it's only a problem on Seller & Belloit brass which fits very tight anyway.

As far as quality control goes, they look and package as nice as Winchesters. Seeing as how these are probably the same primers they load in their own ammo they are probably decent.

At least good enough for plinking ammo at $90/5000! A shame that's a "deal" but nowadays with prices they are.. WIN primers are over $30 a thousand around here IF you can find them.

fireflyfather
February 28, 2008, 01:17 AM
OK, self-thread jack: How about igman brass in 7.62x54R? I'm thinking of picking some Igman ammo up, and want to reload it. It's boxer/brass, but what about quality? Better off buying graf's brass (Prvi)?

stubbicatt
February 28, 2008, 08:20 AM
KIW asked:

A lot of guys are using them.......The guys, are they bench rest shooters?

Nah, out here we shoot from cross sticks or prone from a bipod or something like that. Prairie Dogs are everywhere. Shots tend to be from 200 to 500 meters or so at a 9" tall target. At 200 meters or thereabouts one of my partners has really consistent luck hitting the little vermin from his hind legs. Great shot, and he does it often. I've seen guys shoot at the dogs from an improvised bench rest in the backs of their pickup trucks though. Looks comfortable sitting there under a parasol sipping iced tea and whatnot.

So whether these are benchrest primers I have no idea. But the ammo they ignite is capable of this sort of shooting, so I'd say they are plenty consistent for what we use them for.

Like I said though, I've never heard any complaints from those who use them, and they seem to like the low prices too... considering that they shoot a couple hundred rounds a day, it adds up!;)

VonFatman
February 28, 2008, 08:25 AM
I just order 6k. They are on backorder, but at $81/k it's the best deal in town. If they come in at $81/k, I'll take them all (3k SP and 3k LP).

I should have done this when Magtech was $75/k!!

If I were reloading personal defense ammo...I'd stick with Winchester...but I'm reloading range fodder. If they are a tad warm or cool will not make or break my time at the range.

You folks who don't bother to get a C&R FFL are missing opportunities to buy at lower prices.

Bob

Lloyd Smale
February 28, 2008, 04:55 PM
Ive had mixed luck with them. they seem softer then any except federals so that was good but ive got to say that there standard lg pistol are pretty lame and there mags are about like most standards. The small pistol stds. seem to work fine though.

Duckdog
February 28, 2008, 07:20 PM
I use 'em and have no complaints. I have had downright excellent success with the shotgun primers in my steel shot loads.

90% of what I shoot is cast,so I am by no means a bench rest shooter, but they are definitely capable of as good of performance as the other brands I have use over the years.

And as mentioned... the price is much better!

Tim the Enchanter
February 29, 2008, 05:51 PM
I've only loaded 550 (SP) so far, but they went bang every time. Compared to the primers on Remington UMC and WWB they are noticeably harder.

scottw
February 29, 2008, 07:47 PM
I have been using Wolf primers with my 38 and have not had one misfire and they feed and prime better than my Winchester. I will buy them again.

ocabj
February 29, 2008, 08:36 PM
Word is that the Wolf primers are same primers that David Tubb uses for his own personal ammunition.

David Tubb is quoted as stating that he prefers Russian primers.

http://www.davidtubb.com/tcom_images/dtac/6mmxc_writeup.html

Roccobro
February 29, 2008, 10:13 PM
Reports were that Tubb bought 700,000 Wolf primers for his reloading needs.

Justin

steve4102
March 1, 2008, 02:01 AM
Is Wolf the only Russian primers available? D Tubb comments on the use of Russian primers, he does not specifically call them by name "Wolf". I for one would like to know if they are one in the same.

45ACPUSER
March 1, 2008, 07:43 AM
The Wolf as boxed in PMC labeling are just fine, the 223 probably is best off using the SRM primer instead of the small rifle primer. I have shot 2K SP through G17's with no problems! They are a good value!

KI.W.
March 1, 2008, 08:02 AM
Mr Stubbicat.

If You are using (made in USA) Win or CCI primers, shall to be more happyer. ;)

jr45
March 1, 2008, 06:00 PM
Just came back from the range:
I fired my reloads using Wolf large rifle magnum primers. Overall results; bad.
-I made 38 rounds of 280 Remington using Wolf primers with 165 grain bullets over 40 grains of H4895 powder.
-I made 50 rounds of 30-06 using Wolf primers with 180 grain bullets over 42 grains of H4895 powder.
-I made 15 each above caliber using same formula but using CCI magnum primers (the primers I mainly use).
-280 Remington with Wolf results: 3 duds 21 hang fires.
-30-06 with Wolf results: 1 dud 33 hang fires.
-Both calibers with CCI primers: no issues.
I had the RO (whom has been reloading for years) watch me fire and confirmed the hang fires. I don't know if I just got a bad batch of primers or that Wolf has some serious quality issues. I never had any problems with their factory ammo.

Lloyd Smale
March 1, 2008, 07:17 PM
I didnt want to post my experince because i got jumped on another fourm but i gave a bunch of lg pistol small pistol and lg pistol mags recently. He had no problem and got good accuracy with the sm pistol stds. But with the lg pistol standards he had failures to fire and hang fires with wc820 and even with 231 which is a very easy powder to ignite. He also tested extream spreads with 110 using wolf ww cci 350s and fed mags and said the wolfs were getting beat out pretty bad for extream spreads and he felt they were not hotter the cci std large pistols. He said the mags didnt give squibs or misfires anyway. I bought a case of each and I guess ill burn them up with plinking ammo but it still makes me nervous about hangfires and especially squib firings. He said his average spreads with the mags and 820 was about 200 fps and with the standards using unique and 231 he had some as high as 300. I wont be buying anymore.

James41
March 1, 2008, 08:16 PM
I have 10,000 Wolf primers. 5K small rifle for a 223 AR15 and 5K large pistol for a 1911 45. I have used about 1K of the large pistol with great results. No misfires or anything, they all go bang.

I have used about 1500 of the small rifle for the 223 AR15 with the same results, they all go bang. So far i am very happy with the Wolf primers, especially with the price difference of about 8 bucks a thousand over local stores.

jr45
March 1, 2008, 10:28 PM
I have 10,000 Wolf primers. 5K small rifle for a 223 AR15 and 5K large pistol for a 1911 45. I have used about 1K of the large pistol with great results. No misfires or anything, they all go bang.

I have used about 1500 of the small rifle for the 223 AR15 with the same results, they all go bang. So far i am very happy with the Wolf primers, especially with the price difference of about 8 bucks a thousand over local stores.

The lower cost was the reason I decided to give the Wolf primers a try. If I can get more bang for the buck, I'm all for it. I have heard good reviews about these primers and assumed I had nothing to loose. As you see in my previous post (#20), I had a bad experience with them. I have never tried their pistol or small rifle primers and it is possible that I just happened purchased a bad lot of large rifle primers. I did purchase them from the same vendor as my CCI primers and both were stored in the same manner, charged with the same pound of powder, and reloaded during the same session.

I really hope it was just a bad lot. I've been looking forward to saving money on primers and components as much as possible. I now have 912 primers that I question. The good news, the vendor (gun shop and range) said they would exchange the remaining for 1k of CCI.

Has anyone else tried Wolf's large rifle magnum primers?

OzzieDoc
March 2, 2008, 02:47 AM
I have used about 1000 PMC labelled small pistol primers without any problem. They are made in Russia also. Perhaps the same as Wolf? I am not aware of anything branded "Wolf" being imported into Australia. My dealer thought that they were produced in a new factory built with assistance from one of the big European manufacturers and not Russian technology as such.

sig2009
March 4, 2008, 06:53 AM
Excellent primers. Always go bang. Softer than CCI. Never had any problems. Seat great with Speer brass.

evan price
March 4, 2008, 11:46 AM
I will say that Wolf are a smidge tighter than Win are. It is possible that people getting misfires are not fully seating them into the pocket (because they fit tighter) and the anvil is not bottomed out. I experimented this weekend with .357 Magnums and having the primers not seated, and had misfire issues. When seated fully, no problems.

Lloyd Smale
March 4, 2008, 12:43 PM
another update. Like i said my buddy was having alot of problems with the lg pist. std. Missfires and squibs. I finally go around to loading some acp ammo with them today and out of the first brick i opened i found two primers that were missing the anvils. Now if 2 out of a thousand were missing anvils im sure theres some kind of quality control problem with installing these anvils and its no doubt where the inconsistancy is comming from. Lot no. was 1/06. Sure aint worth it to me to save a few pennys and end up with a bulged barrel or ruined gun.

rundm
March 4, 2008, 12:53 PM
I just went to the range last week and shotwolf small rifle mag primers in my ar15's. every one of them went bang and shot what I thought were pretty good groups. I was using varget and benchmark in once fired lc cases with 62 gr ss109 bullets that were pulled and resized. the groups were all around 1 1/2 to 2 in's for 5 shots apiece. Not bench rest standards but with the bullets I was using, I consider it very good. The cost is much better than the others and the quality is at least the same. I will save my 205 and 210 match for match or br rounds if I need them but with the costs of federal and others, I will be shooting plenty of the wolf. Also, PMC was loading wolf in there 5.56 loads for awhile. I do not know if they still are. RG

evan price
March 5, 2008, 12:29 AM
Lloyd, if it don't go off, how will that bulge a barrel or blow up a gun? :rolleyes:

KI.W.
March 6, 2008, 02:51 PM
....more bang for the buck, is it not the mostn important reason. Mayby somebody shall to see sometimes. :rolleyes:

rdhood
March 6, 2008, 02:54 PM
I just got in a couple thousand Wolf small pistol/large rifle primers. I'll report on them when I load up...

Shaggy1911
December 30, 2008, 12:30 AM
I have shot numerous thousands of rounds of Wolf ammo in .45 and 7.62x39 without a primer problem, so I bought 10k primers. Half were LP, they seem a bit harder than others, similiar to ball. No problems noted and they were 2/3 the cost of domestic ($18 per k). I have not chronoed to see if there is a differance because they are just practice loads. The other half were LR, and I have not tried them yet, but I am getting ready to. I will post if there are any problems. They only thing is that I wish I had ordered more while I could get them.

RidgwayCO
December 30, 2008, 10:48 AM
I recently purchased some Wolf large pistol primers from Powder Valley, and wanted to test them versus my normal CCI 300 primers.

I chose a .44 Special round that has been good for me, consisting of a 185gr LSWC bullet loaded over 6.9gr of Unique (.82cc Lee Pro Auto-Disk cavity) in Winchester brass to a COL of 1.465" with a moderate crimp from a Lee FCD over the front driving band (this bullet doesn't have a crimping groove). The test gun was a S&W 624 with a 4" barrel. 25 rounds were loaded with each primer, alternating them though the Lee Classic Cast Turret to make things as even as possible.

The CCI 300 numbers for 25 rounds were:
Avg - 890 fps, ES - 98, SD - 21

The Wolf LP numbers for 25 rounds were:
Avg - 903 fps, ES - 67, SD - 19

Not eye-popping numbers, but normal for me when using Unique. Every round went bang, with no primer failures.

I'll probably try this test again with Titegroup and an Oregon Trail 200gr LRNFP bullet and see how they fare. So far, I'm impressed with the Wolf large pistol primers. They seat with just a touch more effort than the CCI 300 primers (RCBS hand priming tool), but it's barely noticeable.

broham
December 30, 2008, 12:54 PM
A while back I emailed Wolf about their 223 primers. I was looking for a cheaper alternative to CCI 41 or 34(forget which is for 223) They said these 223 primers were excellent for an AR, the cup thickness is .65mm. If you have any questions on their products just send them an email, I'm sure they will be helpful.

jjohnson
December 30, 2008, 04:44 PM
I'm into my second carton (of 5,000) small pistol primers.

They feed in my Dillon 550B just fine.
They ignite as regularly as the Rem, Winchester, CCI primers I've used. I understand that one carton against the other cartons isn't entirely scientific, but the anecdotal evidence is good. I've had no problems seating them, no problems of other kind.

No, I'm not a benchrest shooter. Close range with a handgun, I haven't seen anything to make me believe they're not performing well enough to reliably do their job.

And... yeah, they're a bunch cheaper than the other guys.:evil:

aliveisalive
January 4, 2009, 07:23 PM
Going to order 5k each of SP and SR to give them a try. Supposedly the sp work great and the SR are fine as well. Considering the only ones cabelas had in stock were rem small pistol at 31/k ill give it a go.

Living on long island sucks, theres no good place i know for reload supplies. If any of you guys know where to get some let me know. For now powder valley is going to get a nice chuck of change for 8lbs unique, 8lbs h335 and 5k each of primers =]

amlevin
January 5, 2009, 01:14 PM
I just ordered some from Powder Valley. $90 for 5,000 is almost $10/thousand less than the local Dealer's are selling CCI's, Fed's, and Winchester's for. For the .223 they are definitely less $$$ than the Domestic Military grade primers.

The majority of those who have used and posted on other forums claim they are good primers. Not Benchrest Primers but every bit as good as CCI/Fed/Win primers.

possum
January 5, 2009, 02:09 PM
i just bought 5k not too long ago, i can't wait to try them, they were at a good price.

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