Hi-Cap 9mm


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JCook5003
February 27, 2008, 08:31 AM
Hey Guys-

I want to pick up a double stack 9mm before ammo goes up any higher.

I am on a budget of less than $450.....reliability is my #1 concern, the gun wont be carried but used for home defense and range use.

What do you guys recommend?

Thanks
Josh

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Mad Magyar
February 27, 2008, 08:40 AM
I want to pick up a double stack 9mm before ammo goes up any higher.


Not sure what the relationship of a hi-capacity 9mm & the cost of ammo have to do with one another, but there are many Ruger's & S&W's for your budget....:)

DerbyDale
February 27, 2008, 08:41 AM
If you don't have any problems with it, you could get a used pistol which would help keep the cost down even more.

I would get a Springfield XD-9. They are very reliable and have a lifetime warranty even if your not the original owner. If you didn't go for night sights, you could probably get a new one within your budget. My local gun shop has new XD-9 sub-compacts for $439.99 in the basic black model.

You could also get a Glock, but I'm not sure about their warranty if you get a used one.

DMK
February 27, 2008, 08:50 AM
CZ75


Durable All-Steel CZ-75B: One Man’s Favorite Pistol (http://www.gunweek.com/2006/feature0501.html)

http://mysite.verizon.net/dmk0210/myarms/CZ-75_03.jpg

armoredman
February 27, 2008, 10:35 AM
CZ-75 is a great choice.

chupacabrah
February 27, 2008, 10:56 AM
My next gun will probably be a CZ75. maaaybe a XDsc (but that's not hi cap, but the XD's are worth looking at).


I got a S&W M&P 9mm yesterday. 17 round mags, until april there's a $50 mail in rebate and 2 free additional high cap mags.

After the rebate, price is at or around (or below) $450

mhillsing23
February 27, 2008, 12:19 PM
Since it won't be carried, I would recommend the XD Tactical (5") or Service (4"). Both have 16 round capacity. The SC can accommodate 16 rounds with the extended magazine.

JCook5003
February 27, 2008, 12:38 PM
What do you guys think about a used Glock 19?

MT GUNNY
February 27, 2008, 12:44 PM
go for it

1BLINDREF
February 27, 2008, 12:44 PM
Whatever you decide to buy, make sure you shoot one before buy it.
Guns are like pants, they all don't fit everyone the same ;)

I'd say to try the following:
CZ75
Beretta 92FS
Sig P226 (used)
Glock 17 or 19

gotime242
February 27, 2008, 12:45 PM
FNP-9

No question.

Farnorthdan
February 27, 2008, 01:11 PM
I picked up a Ruger SR9 recently and like it. Very accuate, 17+1 capacity and sells for less than $450. Also recentrly purchased a CZ 75B but have not shot it yet but hear great things about it too.

hirundo82
February 27, 2008, 01:50 PM
What do you guys think about a used Glock 19?
I love my Glock 19 and Glock's reliability is unquestionable, especially in 9mm.

You can also use the magazines from the larger guns in it for backup (ie 17 rd G17 mags or 33 rd G18 mags); in all fairness I think you can do this with the XD as well but I don't own one of those.

Be sure you try it before you buy, especially with the 3rd generation models; the finger grooves on those don't fit some people's hands.

mpmarty
February 27, 2008, 01:57 PM
How bout an FEG Browning High Power clone? Not expensive at all at around $300 and use the rest for ammo.

Silvanus
February 27, 2008, 02:01 PM
What do you guys think about a used Glock 19?

One of the best 9mms ever made;) (at least in my opinion) But be sure to shoot a Glock before buying one. They don't suit everybody...

The Lone Haranguer
February 27, 2008, 06:13 PM
You ought to be able to get a CZ75 for that $450, plus tax.

Also consider a used Smith & Wesson "third-gen," e.g., 5904, 5906.

DENALI
February 27, 2008, 07:05 PM
I'm with armoredman, If you can't afford a Glock which should be your #1 choice, go with a CZ-75, or PO1. I've found their quality to be well above Rugers and really just as good as anything from S&W.
I would recomend you be as patient as is possible though, If you can spend $400.00 + you can hold out a month or so and put together an additional $100.00 or so.......
1.Glock-17 or 19, $499.00 just about everywhere!
2.CZ-75, or PO1 under $500.00 just about everywhere!

Ops Officer
February 27, 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm impressed with the reliability and decent accuracy of my XD-45 Tactical. But I know that all XDs in any caliber are highly reliable. That having been said, I may rate the CZ 75 over the XD, since I just purchased a CZ 75B in satin nickel. I was looking for a CZ 75BD in stainless, but the price of the nickel was too good to pass up. The BD model has a decocker, which I prefer. I am so used to SIGs. The CZ 75 has a terrific rep for accuracy and reliability. I know the grip is excellent. The 16-round mags are reasonably priced. Either gun should be just under your budget.

jgo296
February 27, 2008, 07:17 PM
man spend just a little extra and get a glock 19
it might be the best all around pistol on earth
and no i dont own one i have a glock 21 and glock 20 though
and used to have a glock 27

Pilot
February 27, 2008, 07:59 PM
Used Browning Hi Power or CZ-75B.

1BLINDREF
February 27, 2008, 08:19 PM
I don't understand how anyone can say to just get a _______.
Especially a Glock.

I guess that's how all those barely shot guns end up in the used gun case for lots less than a new one :rolleyes:

Other than Silvanus, everyone assumes that a Glock is the perfect gun for anybody, and its not!

Don't get me wrong, I think that a Glock is a well made gun that should last a long time if its properly cared for (just like most of todays big mfgs)
but personally, I can't hit squat with one, and I know a few other shooters that have been shooting a long time that have the same problem.
Glocks don't point naturally for me because of the angle of the grip.

JCook5003- do yourself a favor, go to a range that rents a bunch of different guns and try them before you plunk down that hard earned $450 on something you won't be happy with. :)

yhtomit
February 27, 2008, 11:24 PM
Most guns that don't suck are pretty good :) It's great that there are so many good choices.

I will bore you by saying that I'd recommend you consider, handle and if possible borrow / rent a Cz-75 (plus as many others as you can find the time to try).

I am not a handgun expert by any means (check my posts for lots of constant-dummy questions), but have been shooting handguns -- intermittently -- for more than ten years and now own a small handful of them. Above advice is good re: pants -- every gun and every person for a different complex.

HOWEVER, the Cz mania on this board is not without foundation -- and neither is the Sig mania, the Glock mania, etc.

The thing about the Cz-75 compared to most other guns I've tried is that the Cz-75 grips fits my hand more naturally and comfortably -- just sort of locks in there to a degree that few other guns come close to. My S&W 625 (with factory-supplied Hogue grip with finger grooves) is about as comfortable, and I am not complaining about the perfectly fine grips on any of my other guns, but the stock grip on the Cz-75 makes it a very nice shooter, and (at least in my case) I think contributes to making the recoil seem like it's even less than a 9mm, and to making the gun shoot better where I think I'm suggesting it shoot than most of my others.

(I also bought mine NIB at Gander Mountain for just under $400, tax inclusive. A shade over to account for the PA police-state check, but that's a technicality ;))

YMMV -- try as many as you can!

timothy

modifiedbrowning
February 27, 2008, 11:29 PM
Checkout the Bersa Thunder 9. Usually go for $300 to $350. I like my three very much.
www.bersafirearmsusa.com

bharen
February 27, 2008, 11:35 PM
For $400 right now you can get a new or nearly new S&W 5906 from CDNN. Can't ask for anything better in a hi-cap 9mm. The left over cash can be used to cover FFL transfer fees and perhaps an extra magazine or two.

golden
February 28, 2008, 08:58 AM
I have owned several GLOCK 19's and they were excellent pistols. Both of them were used and I never had any trouble as long as they were properly oiled.

I would also recommend you go to a range and try a rental gun of the type you are interested in.

New BERSA, RUGER P-95, SMITH&WESSON Sigma and TAURUS 24/7 should suite your price range. They are all reliable, but will have various problems like poor triggers or something else. I would just try them and see which you like most.

Jim

golden
February 28, 2008, 09:09 AM
JCOOK,

One other to add to your list is the STOEGER Cougar. This was the BERETTA 8000 Cougar pistol, but is now made in TURKEY instead of ITALY. It has a cheaper finish, but is otherwise identical. I like my BERETTA 8000.

Jim

volfandan
February 28, 2008, 10:03 AM
OK, I guess I have to put in another plug for a Hi Power.....and you don't have to drop $750 on a T-series. Just two weeks ago I found this on auctionarms:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x59/volfandan/PJK-9HP002.jpg

This is an FEG PJK-9HP, which is basically a HP clone. It was NIB with two 13 round mags for under $250. Heck, with the money saved you can buy lots of ammo....or maybe even another GUN :D

fishyman
February 28, 2008, 10:08 AM
smith and wesson m&p 9

Deanimator
February 28, 2008, 11:36 AM
What do you guys think about a used Glock 19?
I got one from Summit Gun Broker a couple of years ago. I'm very satisfied with it. I prefer the 2nd Generation guns since I don't like the rail or the finger grooves.

yhtomit
February 28, 2008, 09:31 PM
volfandan:

Great deal on that FEG! I have never caught the Hi-Power bug, but at that price I could see justifying the experiment at least. And the mags alone might run a lot higher if so-called-AWB II comes to manifest.

Tim

yhtomit
February 28, 2008, 09:32 PM
wrt the idea of a used Glock 19, Deanimator wrote: I got one from Summit Gun Broker a couple of years ago. I'm very satisfied with it. I prefer the 2nd Generation guns since I don't like the rail or the finger grooves.

I don't care (much) about a rail, and am indifferent to the finger grooves but are there any internal changes? (And now watch me misspell) Metallalurgical?

timothy

-v-
February 28, 2008, 11:33 PM
With the CZ-75 you can also put a Kadet kit or the EAA 22 kit on it and shoot .22's out of your main carry to make your training as efficent as possible.

Also, want to plug EAA Tangfolio. Its a CZ75 for $100 less and lots of upper options to choose from.

hawkeb
February 29, 2008, 12:08 AM
You need to see what fits best. glocks are good guns but they don't like my hands. Rugers give you a lot of bang for your buck. Springfield XD another very good choice. But the S&W M&P has been making a lot of noise and with a $50 rebate and 2 free mags it is hard to pass up. I have owned all of the above and the only one I simply love to shoot in my m&p. It has done very well for me the past year. One other thing to look at is S&W and Springfield have some of the best costumer service dept. in the handgun industry. I just comes down to how they feel in your hands!

volfandan
February 29, 2008, 12:16 AM
yhtomit,

Thanks, I hadn't caught the HP bug until about October. I knew that I wanted a shooter/clone rather than a real BHP. The auction had only been listed for 3 hours when I saw it....."buy-it-now" for $235! What's not to love about that!

senorlinc
February 29, 2008, 12:24 AM
go to the range, rent what feels good in your hand and shoot, shoot, shoot...i owned a glock 19, cost me 450 bucks new. liked it at first, but wasnt really a big shooter at the time. after going through a few all day classes with it, i felt like i needed something more comfortable to shoot. after alot of trial (and some good advise) i ended up w a sw m&p 9..couldnt be happier. picked it up online for 419 (plus shipping) and will someday get my $50 rebate and 2 more mags from sw....its a greta gun and a great deal, however YMMV so go see what works for you before you plunk down your hard earned loot on something that someone else likes

newkahrman
February 29, 2008, 12:40 AM
How about s&w m&p. I had one and loved it. I sold it because I needed something I could conceal easier (the hand grip on the m&p is bulky). Its a great shooter and they have a $50 rebate and 2 free mags until april. You could probably end up right around $400, a bargain for that gun. I ll get another one soon, but no mag safety on my next one.

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