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shoff535
February 27, 2008, 01:23 PM
I just started looking at the Frontier Scouts, and I was wondering if someone can tell me the main differences. I know that they used aluminum or zinc alloy frames, but did they ever use steel? what is the difference between the various series (K, F, '62, etc). oh, by the way, I am talking about the reissued ones from the late 1950s through the early 70s when they were discontinues. Were they all 22 cal?
Where I am ultimately going with this question is that i want to compare and contrast with the 22 cal Peacemakers (of the same era).

thanks,
Steve

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Starter52
February 27, 2008, 04:33 PM
Colt made a bunch of these .22 revolvers over the years.

The "Q" and "F" series came first in the 1950's. Colt then went to a slightly heavier frame with the "K" series. All of these guns had alloy frames.

The .22 Peacemaker Scout revolvers of the same era were steel framed guns.

IIRC Colt Scouts were either .22 LR or .22 Magnum. Interchangeable cylinders started in 1959.

Hope this helps.

Virginian
February 27, 2008, 09:47 PM
I let a 6" steel Peacemaker get away from me many years ago. Just the mention of that make me feel like kicking myself again.

bannockburn
February 27, 2008, 10:28 PM
Virginian

Tell me about it. I had a beautiful New Frontier .22 with the 4 3/8" barrel, color case hardened frame, and the black plastic grips with the rampant colt and eagle on them. If I remember correctly, I think I traded it in on a new .32 H&R Magnum Super Single Six when they first came out. Didn't really care that much for the .32 Magnum, but I would love to have that little Colt .22 back.

moewadle
February 28, 2008, 12:50 AM
specifically on the Colt .22 western style revolvers, the Colt Scouts, Peacemaker, and New Frontier. I was going to give you the title and author but cannot find it right this minute. It gives lots and lots of detail about the construction history of these guns and determining the approximate date of manufacture. The earlier entry that said the frames on the Frontier Scouts are alloy is correct and he is correct about the frames on Peacemaker and New Frontier being steel is correct. If you decide to buy a Scout make sure and get one with a pinned barrel. At first barrels were not pinned and there was some trouble with them becoming loose from shooting due to the fact of the alloy frame instead of steel. Then the company started to pin the barrels. So, a word to the wise. My motto is, BUY THE BOOK BEFORE THE GUN. Knowledge is power, knowledge saves you money. The $25 you might spend for this book will save you pain and regret later.

shoff535
February 28, 2008, 12:04 PM
ah, good stuff so far, thanks for all of the input.
Moewadle, if you can lemme know what the book is that you are thinking of that would be great. I have a colt book at home (I think it is "Colt Heritage") good history on the company, but weak on specifics of various models, but, a good s/n list in the back.

Thanks,

14427H
February 28, 2008, 12:25 PM
I don't know about the pinned barrel but don't let the aluminium frame be an issue. I am not at home to check on the pin but I have my father's F series Scout. I have personally put 5000 rounds in it an he had shot at least twice that much. It still is in great shape and only retired out of respect. I bought myself an identical one and a two tone for each of my 2 sons.

In my experience, the best .22LR shooters are the early Scouts marked .22LR as the bore is set for that not .22 Magnum. But an aluminum Scout in .22 Magnum is a joy of a field carry piece.

moewadle
February 28, 2008, 05:51 PM
that I referred to above. The title is COLT SCOUTS, PEACEMAKERS, AND NEW FRONTIERS IN .22 CALIBER and was written by DON WILKERSON. I think he is deceased because I bought my copy from a web site run by his widow and I think my copy was around $25 new couple years ago. However, I think that web site may no longer exist. I went to Amazon.com and there are two copies for sale for $39 and $40 respectively. I went to AddAll used and out of print books (if you used those last 7 words to with which to google you will have a book search web site that is excellent and really easy to use.) and there were about 3-4 copies for sale. One was $40 and the others around $90. I found a web site that I have seen before called COLLECTORS FIREARMS and they are in Texas. They have one or more copies at $36. I am sure all of these prices do NOT include shipping costs. So, for any of you who may be looking for this book there is a start. I know something about books and I would suggest if you can get lucky and find one at a gun show for around $25-30 you probably have a bargain and cheaper would be a steal. Happy hunting!

shoff535
February 28, 2008, 05:57 PM
Great! there is a guy in LA that I buy out of print books from every so often, and he has that one listed....
Thanks,

moewadle
February 28, 2008, 09:55 PM
I like to help people with information and I know most of us cannot afford to buy loads of $40 books. So, with that in mind I would like any of you to feel free to email me directly at moewadle@yahoo.com if you have questions about these Scouts that I can research in my book. I will be glad to do that. I also have a all the Gun Digests except a very, very few of earliest ones and 2008. So, if you have a question I can research via Gun Digest let me know. Just make sure and put a subject in your email that is clearly related to firearms so if it gets in my spam filter I can sort it out.

22-rimfire
February 28, 2008, 11:07 PM
I also suggest you find a copy of Don Wilkerson's book. I bought it from Don W right after it was published at a gunshow. Those were good old days and I remember telling Mr. Wilkerson a year prior to publication that I was really looking forward to it.

Prices on these guns started to take off after publication of the book. Prior to that they all sold for about the same money. For the most part, nobody knew much about them. I'm sure there were a few who were well versed on the lower production guns, but I sure wasn't one of them.

Moewadle; what book have your written or are you currently writing a book?

moewadle
February 28, 2008, 11:38 PM
I did self-publish a book on movie tie-in paperbacks, nothing to do with guns. How did you happen to ask that question?

22-rimfire
February 28, 2008, 11:44 PM
...if you have questions about these Scouts that I can research in my book. That's the reason.

I also have almost all the Gun Digest which I find to be quite useful for general research issues. The catalogs are good too.

moewadle
February 28, 2008, 11:46 PM
"My copy of the Colt Scout book, etc."

Glockopop
February 29, 2008, 02:17 AM
After handling a Frontier Scout in a local gun shop last year, I've been keeping an eye out for one. The one they had was a pristine collector piece, and I'd rather pay less for one with a nick or two and shoot the snot out of it. The only concern I have is that it doesn't have adjustable sights as most .22s seem to. Has anybody found this to be a problem?

22-rimfire
February 29, 2008, 08:09 AM
If I were you, I would look around and find a Colt New Frontier which has adjustable sights. New Frontier's have a steel frame as do the fixed sighted Peacemaker models. Excellent 22/22mag revolver! Better in my opinion than anything else that is currently available.

mike1894
February 29, 2008, 08:15 PM
Why Colt ever stopped making these is beyond me.
This is my Colt New Frontier L series 22/22mag. :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/mountaincreekphotos/Guns/ColtNewFrontier05.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/mountaincreekphotos/Guns/ColtNewFrontier06.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/mountaincreekphotos/Guns/ColtNewFrontier07.jpg

22-rimfire
February 29, 2008, 11:10 PM
Gosh, they are pretty little revolvers. I have never seen one that the case coloring looked bad.

kennedy
March 1, 2008, 08:35 PM
I found a new frontier with the .22 mag cylinder only at a gun show and it shots like a dream and looks brand new, I think I paid $325 for it.

mike1894
March 2, 2008, 08:37 AM
"shoots like a dream"

I found this to be a very true statement yesterday.

Fired about 50 rounds of Win. T22's through the LR cylinder.

Very much impressed. I think this one will be a keeper, and worthy of a set of ivories:-)

Wish I would have picked one of these little Coltís up yrs. ago.

Guys, FYI don't always go by those over priced reserves that are set on auction site items.

I got my little gem by contacting the seller (Gun Broker listing) through
email and made him a reasonable out the door offer. I got it for well
below his set reserve on the listing.

The big question in my mind is, why did Colt ever stop making these little gems. :confused:

borderbud
May 12, 2008, 03:29 AM
Just picked up a sweet early F model shooter from a friend. Untill looking it up I had no idea they had such a following. Had no idea of history and varieties. Lots of info out there but still unclear on: Can a mag clinder be had and just replace original long rifle (in early model)and change back whenever? When they say white alloy frame does that always include backstrap and trigger guard? What exactly is duotone? Is the recommended bolt stop upgrade as simple as on full size SAA? I'm not going to mark the screws yet just to peek. After many years w/1st Gen SAAs never thought I could be so impressed with little Scout until having one in my hands for first time. Thanks for this site. Wish I had stumbled on it years ago. BB

moewadle
May 12, 2008, 09:03 AM
above and you will have the information for the best reference book on the Colt SA "Peacemaker style" .22 revolvers. It gives very detailed information on Scouts, Peacemakers, New Frontiers, the whole .22 Colt line in these models.

22-rimfire
May 12, 2008, 09:31 AM
I don't have access to my copy of Wilkerson's book at the moment, so I'll tell you what I know. Single caliber L series are rare. Most were shipped with the two cylinders. The only way to verify if one was shipped with a single cylinder or both is to have the original box or get the Colt historical letter. The letter may in fact not mention this, but you can hope.

The cylinders were each fitted to the gun and normally can not be simply "dropped in" although you might get lucky.

The duotone blue was a blue revolver that had a combination bright blue and kind of a matt subdued blue on the other portion of the revolver. The early Troopers were shipped like this.

I believe the "white" is simply a non-blued frame and as far as I know it would include the trigger guard and back strap. I believe only the barrel was blued. To say something "always" is the case with Colt would be a stretch as Colt was known to make some unusual variations to spur sales or for a special order.

Leadhead
May 12, 2008, 01:54 PM
I picked up this sweet buntline a few months ago and it's one of my favorite rimfires!
It's got some wear on the finish but that just makes it easier to use as I don't worry about holstering etc...
One thing I have noticed is that other New Frontiers have a non fluted mag cylinder while the one I got with the gun is fluted?
It works fine but has anyone else ever seen two fluted cylinders with these guns?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/Candown/buntline.jpg

c.r.a.
May 12, 2008, 03:16 PM
here is a link to an online owner's manual that was given to me on a different forum. (thank you Hud105)

http://stevespages.com/pdf/colt_new_...r_buntline.pdf

it's doesn't have the information you requested and probably won't answer your questions, but it is related to the colt frontier and i believe a lot applies to the frontier scout model as well. maybe you or somebody else will find it helpful.

By the way, the scout is a nice little pistol. mine has a ser.# of 149xxxF.

Leadhead
May 12, 2008, 08:32 PM
Thanks, but the link's not working.

rallyhound
May 12, 2008, 09:10 PM
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/rallyhound/scope011.jpg

c.r.a.
May 12, 2008, 09:49 PM
ok, well try this link, hopefully it will work this time

--------http://stevespages.com/pdf/colt_new_frontier,_new_frontier_buntline.pdf---------

try typing it into your browser. that should get you there. be sure to include the underscores, and the comma after the first frontier. Don't include the dashes before http and after the last pdf

it should open a .pdf file

Leadhead
May 13, 2008, 03:27 AM
Thanks CRA got it.
My New Frontier is a little different then the ones in the above manual as it does not have a safety bolt and it seems to work fine with both cylinders .22lr and .22mag.

blown99bergerssclone
May 23, 2008, 11:00 AM
frontier scout 62 .22 cal on the barrel ser.#34216P it has a set of stagg looking grips with a gold colored medal (that are missing chunks) and a set of black plastic grips on. also has only one cyl. in 22 mag. some very minor wear marks. i would like to know when it was made what its worth and where to get a 22lr cyl. thanks ahead of time for the help.

c.r.a.
May 23, 2008, 01:14 PM
Take a look at www.proofhouse.com
here is a link that may or may not work that will take you dircectly to the colt scout page. http://www.proofhouse.com/colt/index.html

you might have to copy and paste it into your browser.

from what i can tell, your revolver was made in 1966 or 1967 (according to that website). Hope this helps.

For pricing info, the only thing i could suggest is go look around www.gunbroker.com or another firearms auction site i think another one is www.gunsamerica, and search for your model. They might be able to give you a ball park price figure. Sorry, but i don't have any input on where to locate a cylinder. actually you might get lucky on the firearm auction sites and come accross a cylinder.

c.r.

Leadhead
June 27, 2008, 12:22 PM
Well I read somewhere recently that Colt actually changed to a non fluted .22 mag cylinder sometime in the early 70's and before that they were fluted.....I guess my Buntline is an early model.
On another note I just sealed the deal on another New Frontier with a 4 3/8 barrel and a Brand new extra buntline(7 1/2") barrel!
These things are addictive!!

22-rimfire
June 27, 2008, 01:42 PM
The early 22WMR cylinders were not recessed like the 22LR cylinder. Both were fluted. The non-fluted cylinders were used on the commemorative revolvers mostly until 1971. The 22WMR barrels were crowned and the LR barrels were flat at the muzzle. Single cylinder revolvers (cylinders) were often unmarked with the caliber. The unfluted cylinders for the 22WMR cylinder was introduced in the New Frontier and Peacemaker revolver (G-series) and occurred after mid-1971. I believe they hit the shelves around 1972.

Leadhead
June 27, 2008, 03:48 PM
Thanks for info 22-rimfire!
Are you saying that none of the New Frontier's came with fluted 22.wmr cylinder's?
Seems like both of mine have fluted 22.WMR cylinders....maybe it's a Canadian thing :)

Here's my first,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/Candown/buntline.jpg

And this is the latest...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/Candown/NewFrontier.jpg

kennedy
June 27, 2008, 09:41 PM
I beg to differ, 3 of my .22 scouts have flat muzzles and 2 have crowned, all of my commemoratives have fluted cylinders.

Electric Factory
July 25, 2008, 09:44 PM
just found this in the bottom of my safe in it's original box, wax paper wrap and with its original test target ! Don't know what I'm going to do with it yet but can any of you fine Colt experts tell me what year of manufacture this Colt Frontier Scout .22 ser.# 954xxF would be ?

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/electricfactory/100_4620.jpg

thegunman
August 20, 2008, 05:46 PM
Good Afternoon, Gentlemen.. I have a 1961 unfired set of Frontier Scouts .22lr/.22mag email me for pics If interested call or email me.Patrick gunman@thegunman.com 870-423-1081

22-rimfire
August 20, 2008, 09:30 PM
You might try the classified section.

gizamo
August 20, 2008, 11:42 PM
One from my collection. As far as I know the only Factory numbered prototype of it's kind....
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/Gizamo1/Colt001.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/Gizamo1/Colt002-1.jpg



giz

Leadhead
August 26, 2008, 11:02 PM
Nice piece Gizamo!
Thanks for the pics..

MrToad
February 4, 2009, 11:47 PM
Hope you all are not tired of talking about this revolver.
I inherited one from my dad but its been just sitting for most of the time for many years.
I've shot it a few times and have become more interested in its history.
It probably shoots better than I do.
I think it is one of the earlier models with serial # 6515Q.
Does that mean it is the 6515th one with the Q suffix?
Does anyone know what kind of value it might have? Don't intend to sell but pass on to one of my sons. Just curious.

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