Blades for the outdoors or WWOTR


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wheelgunslinger
February 27, 2008, 02:04 PM
So, I'm in the middle of unpacking and repacking my backpack to prepare for the spring season.
I've been eyeballing some of the knives and tools I use for basic wwotr (wonder what's over that ridge?) type stuff.

I'm wondering what you folk might used for these tasks.

So far, I have a folder for general stuff and a S/W HRT dagger I keep on my left pack strap in case of varmints, a fall where I need to get out of my gear, etc. Sometimes I'll take my old-timer carbon steel skinner if I think I'm going to do some hunting. And, then there's the requisite gargantuan Buck fixed blade stainless piece that really never sees any use, but was a nice gift from my brother.

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Brian Dale
February 27, 2008, 04:41 PM
A Kershaw Scallion in my pocket and, in the bottom of the pack, a SAK Climber that's been a lot of places with me.

WWOTR: good acronym!

hso
February 27, 2008, 04:59 PM
I'd say after the Buck and the Sharpfinger you could leave the other two at home.

Kingcreek
February 27, 2008, 05:36 PM
If I am carrying a backpack I tend to not like extra stuff strapped on my belt so I carry a stout folder in a front pocket (usually a Dozier folding medium hunter, buck 110, or similar) and a lightwt Eriksson Mora in the pack for a spare non-folding knife. I also carry a folding saw and/or GB hatchet. Those cover all my cutting needs.

Mp7
February 29, 2008, 02:04 PM
Glock M81 ..or the 78 if u donīt need the sawback.

Pax Jordana
February 29, 2008, 02:18 PM
Agreed with hso - one knife for utility, another for varmints/meat/zombies/marauding pack straps.

For me it's a sodbuster, leek, SAK or schrade Old-Timer for utility. Then a Blur, Ti-Lite, Camillus (the old pilot survival kind) for any manner of otherwises.

But then, mine's the suburban jungle. All the trees look the same and there are only a few tigers.

rcmodel
February 29, 2008, 02:35 PM
I think the double-edge dagger with almost no guard is probably way more dangerous to you in the back woods then the varmints are!

I'd also vote for a Fiskers folding saw as being much more useful then any four knives you could carry.
(Including totally worthless saw-back survival & combat knives. They simply don't work worth a damn to saw anything.)

http://www.fiskars.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10101&categoryId=10263&productId=10514

rcmodel

wheelgunslinger
February 29, 2008, 05:17 PM
RC,
I seldom ever need to saw anything, so I stopped taking a folding saw a long time ago.
I generally take a tomahawk with me and a pair of knives (folder and dagger) that do everything.

If you stick with a small fire, you can use deadfall and smaller stuff without needing a saw.

And, building a pine bough shelter is still easy with a 'hawk.

But, it really does depend on where you are camping.

As for the dagger, what could possibly go wrong with a super sharp knife like that in the middle of nowhere... :uhoh:

Todd A
February 29, 2008, 06:35 PM
My two...20 plus year old 1095 carbon (and the only fixed blade I own),and
S30V make a good pair.All I have found I needed in the woods, with a camp axe for stays longer than a weekend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/todda/SCHRADE1.jpg

Skofnung
February 29, 2008, 08:24 PM
My standard outdoors knife is a Frost Mora Clipper. It does everything I ask a knife to do, and it does it well. It is in addition to the SAK and Endura that I carry every day.

A dagger is useless as an outdoor knife (I say this as a confirmed dagger lover). It is a fighter. I would leave that one at home not only for practical reasons (extra weight, limited utility, existence of better weapons to fend off "varmints") but for legal ones. I don't know the laws of your state, but double edged knives are often prohibited for carry.

I am of the opinion that big knives (7" +) are useless for most outdoors activities. Again, I like big knives, but as a user, I can't justify the extra weight. If you need to chop, an ax or a small machete will serve you better than a big honkin' knife.

YMMV

Exmasonite
February 29, 2008, 08:30 PM
I usually like to "triple up" at the least...

BM Mini-Grip clipped to the pocket, leatherman juice on the belt. that's EDC.

for hikes, i usually add a fixed blade. sometimes as small as a CRKT falcon. usually b/w a BM Nimravus or CRKT ultima. have an older Alce/Muela knife for "beater" work.

RLsnow
March 2, 2008, 08:19 AM
when i go on trips (rarely ever need to use a knife, as i dont do "surival camping" xD )

i like to throw my HELLE 99 Harding in the bag.

never really use it though, but nice to know i have it.

ArfinGreebly
March 2, 2008, 12:43 PM
I always have three knives on my person.

If I were to go camping, I might change one or add one.

Daily, I have a small pocket knife in the two-inch range (usually Gerber Silver Knight, 1982), a multi-tool of some kind (usually Leatherman, Supertool 1998-ish or Wave 2002-ish), and something in a three-inch folder (usually Kershaw Leek, 2006). In years past, my "multi-tool" was a SAK patterned Imperial.

In the woods, I would probably change out the Leek for a heavier knife, like the Kershaw 3120 or 3140, or alternatively a Buck 112 or 110 (size and shape: K3120 = B112, K3140 = B110). And just to confuse things, I've recently been testing a large sodbuster; very useful indeed, and every bit as large as a Buck 110 -- just lighter.

I would add a fixed blade. If weight was an issue, the fixed blade would replace the larger folder. Current favorite is a four-inch Marttiini MN15 field knife. Anything larger would stay in the car, although I could be tempted to carry a light hatchet, depending on circumstances.

When I was much younger, I hiked with a USMC bolo (short machete) and the SAK-style Imperial. Dragging that bolo around up and down hills is a young man's game. I wouldn't do that now. There's a little Canadian hatchet that goes on the belt, weighs less than 20 oz, I think. I might carry that.

I carry the Leek as EDC because it's light and flat. I wouldn't expect it to take serious punishment like, say, a Buck 110/112 or the Kershaw 3140/3120 so, in the woods, light-and-flat gets to stay home.

The Silver Knight has been with me more than 25 years, and it does what I need it to, so I'm quite comfortable with it. I could arguably replace it with a small sodbuster in yonder woods, but I think there's something to be said for having a tool that knows your hand, though it be less than "ideal" for the task.

The Marttiini is right up there with various Mora (Swedish) knives. I would be completely comfortable with the MN15 or MN10 or any of the Current production Mora knives, like the Mora 2000, Clipper, or Frost's Swedish Army knife. They're all light, robust, sharp, and well-fitted to the hand.

The sad thing about having a wide selection of cutlery is having to choose two or three from dozens of equally qualified pieces. I've chosen the Marttiini/Mora pattern over the Buck 119, but the Buck is a great knife, quite suitable to the job.

I chose the Leatherman over a SAK-style knife because, hey, you never know when you'll need pliers, right? And yet, that SAK pattern has spent way more time in the woods with me than the Leatherman.

I've recently been carrying an old (rescued) Uncle Henry stockman pattern just to get the feel of it. Damned handy little thing.

Basically, for any outing, there will be a little folder (2-ish inches), a bigger folder (3-4 inches), a multi-tool, and a fixed blade (3.5-5 inches). If weight's a problem I'd have to choose between the larger folder and the fixed blade.

What I REALLY need is Heinlein's "fold box" from Glory Road. Then I can bring my whole collection, and weight be damned.

*Sigh*

Sometimes it sux being a geek.

coelacanth
March 2, 2008, 03:12 PM
nothing you can't handle with what he's packing and the weight is minimal.

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