Who's Kel-Tec P-3AT has been 100%


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StrikeFire83
February 27, 2008, 07:12 PM
Hello, everyone.

With all of this talk about the new Ruger LCP in .380 and its, ahem, similarity to the Kel-Tec P3AT, I just wanted to know what people's experiences have been with the Kel-Tec gun. I'm interested only in first person reports, not what your cousin's best friend's grandmother has experienced. Do you have a first or second generation gun?

My own personal 2nd gen P3AT has been 100% reliable over 500 rounds. I never shoot more than 50 rounds between cleanings, and I lock my wrist tightly when shooting. I've shot nothing but Cor Bon hollow points through it since purchase. Mine is the hard cromed model with OD frame, if that matters.

My personal gun has been great, and I'll continue to rely on it. But it seems that a great number of people have had nothing but trouble with the platform, and I'd be lying if I said my confidence in the long term durability/reliability hasn't been somewhat shaken.

Regards.

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Anna's Dad
February 27, 2008, 07:25 PM
Mine has been 100% but I haven't owned it long. It did replace a Kel-Tec P-32, however, that was also 100%. Both are 2nd gen.

gbelleh
February 27, 2008, 07:43 PM
My 2nd gen P-3AT has been 100% out of the box with over 350 rounds so far.

sonyhoppes
February 27, 2008, 07:48 PM
Not mine, 1st AND 2nd gen. The 2nd gen's better, but I don't trust it 100% and they've both been back to KT...more than once. :fire:

This LCP is looking better and better all the time. Here's a video of it in action. Not one stoppage or failure of any kind. The P3AT is notorious for having the first round FTF by nosediving into the feed ramp if you don't really slingshot that slide. These guys looked like they were riding the slide when chambering the first round and had zero problems. KT, are you listening? You'd better watch out! :D

http://www.downrange.tv/player.htm?bcpid=452320104&bclid=459256134&bctid=1433966126

Katana8869
February 27, 2008, 07:48 PM
Bought one last friday. :) I put 150 rounds through it over the weekend most of which were fired one handed. No issues here so far. Mine is a second generation hard chromed slide on a black frame.

Most of the issues that I have read about on the gun forums seem to involve 1st generation P3AT's

I want a Ruger LCP, but I would like to let them be out on the market for awhile before I pick one up.

Geno
February 27, 2008, 07:49 PM
Mine has never had an issue in the 500ish round that I have fired through it.

ugaarguy
February 27, 2008, 07:55 PM
Mine's been 100%, 2nd Gen gun, and I lost track of the round count.

skinewmexico
February 27, 2008, 08:12 PM
Mine has been fine.

murph50
February 27, 2008, 08:21 PM
My first one had to go back to KT and all it needed was the fluff and buff. That was a couple years ago and it's 100% since. My second one I got last year and it's 100%. Both are reliable. That first one is with me everyday.

alamo
February 27, 2008, 08:36 PM
I have a 1st generation and 2nd generation P-3AT. The 1G had a few break-in issues the first outing or two but has been 100% since. The 2G is 100%.

Like any small, lightweight pistol, it's important to keep them clean and well lubed and not expect to them to be a plinker that you can put hundreds of rounds through in one outing.

johndeeere1979
February 27, 2008, 08:41 PM
i had a 2nd gen and 190 rounds and the trigger axis broke and i lost all faith in the gun for CC. most people i have found who think they are great took them out of the box and put them in there pocket and have not shot it too much. i feel much better with my Kahr K9. Can't wait for the new Kahr .380

GLM
February 27, 2008, 08:50 PM
I have a 1st generation P3AT that has functioned flawlessly. However, I have only fired 250 rounds through it.

YZR
February 27, 2008, 09:18 PM
I have a 2nd gen and it's been flawless so far (1+ years)

Troutman
February 27, 2008, 09:26 PM
Their (P3AT) pretty good. I would not compare them to other pistols costing 400, 500, 900 dollar ranges. No more than I would compare a Yugo to a Vett.
If one has problems, after the break-in period, Onesí option is send it back to kel-tec, let them hone-it for you, or do it yourself, or let a gunsmith do it.
For the price I paid for mine new, a little bit more than 200 bucks, you canít beat it.
I look at mine as a disposable. If I ever have to use it in an incident, and have to turn it over (investigation). I would not care how it was treated. For that matter, they can keep it.

furyalecto
February 27, 2008, 10:01 PM
Mine was not great out of the box. It likes Wichester better than most other ammo.

fgr39
February 27, 2008, 10:14 PM
mine has been perfect since I got it, about 4 years ago.

buenhec
February 27, 2008, 10:34 PM
Its been 100% since its 2nd trip to the factory where they replaced the slide.

kanderson586
February 27, 2008, 10:35 PM
my first one had zero probs with more ammo thru it than most of you other guys. then i traded it and a j frame for a pm40 thinking it would replace both of them. was dissappointed by the kahr and traded it back for another j frame and a p3at. the new p3at had some fte and sent it back to KT got it back with a whole new slide and it has been perfect so far. I only have about 500 rounds thru it but i have not cleaned it ( on purpose) and it has been flawless. but i must admit i am feeling quite curious about the lcp.

E357
February 27, 2008, 10:46 PM
I have two first generation P3ATs. I did the fluff & buff when I first got them. Both are kept very clean and fired very little. They are 100% with about 400 rounds through each. I never fire more than a box without cleaning.

velvalco
February 27, 2008, 11:10 PM
mine would have fte's at least twice per mag, did the fluff and buff, still jammed up, called KT for a new extractor assemply didnt help. Took it back to the point of purchase for a refund. Now i'm patiently waiting for the arrival of my LCP

tbreed725
February 28, 2008, 08:23 AM
my p3at has always been reliable even limp wristing it.

MASTEROFMALICE
February 28, 2008, 08:25 AM
Zero problems out of 600 rounds.

Panhandler
February 28, 2008, 09:57 AM
Second generation. Zero problems with 300 rounds of silvertip.

jsconnelly
February 28, 2008, 11:02 AM
My 1st Gen needs to go back. When it did fire, I got the typical brass to the forehead which wasn't a great big deal but then...FTE's, FTF's, Take down pin kept walking out and ended up wollowing out the hole it goes into on the right side of the frame. It's unsafe to shoot right now. These problems happened within the first 100 rounds and I've procrastinated about sending it back. Maybe I'll get to it before summer but I've said that for 3 summers now.

Seafarer12
February 28, 2008, 12:07 PM
Not mine, 1st AND 2nd gen. The 2nd gen's better, but I don't trust it 100% and they've both been back to KT...more than once.

This LCP is looking better and better all the time. Here's a video of it in action. Not one stoppage or failure of any kind. The P3AT is notorious for having the first round FTF by nosediving into the feed ramp if you don't really slingshot that slide. These guys looked like they were riding the slide when chambering the first round and had zero problems. KT, are you listening? You'd better watch out!


I am curious about that video. I wonder if it would have been any different if ruger wasn't their major advertiser. I also am curious if it would have been as reliable if they had been feeding it anything besides FMJ's.


As far as the op asked. I don't have a p3at but my 1st gen p32 has been 100%.

the naked prophet
February 28, 2008, 12:18 PM
Mine has. Before I shot it, I read up about the common problems, and pre-emptively fixed those. Haven't had a problem yet in hundreds of rounds. I'm aware that this pistol won't run forever like a Glock or 1911 should - it's too small and light, and will eventually beat itself to death. I knew that when I bought it, and for the price, I find that acceptable. Before 5000 rounds, I expect the pistol to be unrepairably damaged (though Kel-Tec may completely replace it at that time).

I would expect the Ruger to last for many thousands of rounds, indefinitely, really.

DawgFvr
February 28, 2008, 12:19 PM
Carry one in a pocket holster for a few days and then try to fire it at the next range...almost guaranteed FFE.

Mine works ok...if you clean it and use slide-glide on it just prior to carry...each and every time mind you. Look...they really are cheap plastic things...I really doubt even Ruger can make these into Glocks. If I don't wear tight jeans...I'd much prefer carrying my S&W 642 in a Mika pocket holster...but the P3AT does work in my Tuxedo.

GBExpat
February 28, 2008, 12:31 PM
My 2nd Gen has been reliable ... I purchased it in Dec'05.

StrikeFire83
February 28, 2008, 01:03 PM
Thanks to everyone for your responses!

For those of you who gave a response, here's how it's stacking up:

100% from day 1..................................16 guns

Fine after 1 trip to Kel-Tec.....................2 guns

Fine after 2 trips fo Kel-Tec....................2 guns

Disastrous failure, platform abandoned......2 guns

It seems like a lot of people are getting good Kel-Tecs, however in retrospect the positive spin of the thread title may be attracting mostly those who've had good experiences.

However, out of this tiny, non-scientific sampling, 6 guns have had some kind of problem which necesitated a trip back to the factory, often more than once. Others with 100% guns have stated that they did the "fluff and buff" prior to using the gun at all, which I consider a modification in of itself.

My policy with firearms, especially CC guns, is that they should work 100% out of the box (after any maunfacturer break in period, if applicable). If there's a problem that lingers past break in, the company gets ONE chance to rectify it and make the gun 100%. Any gun not totally turned around by a single trip to the factory, to me, has lost any semblence of dependability and is disqualified from being a concealed carry piece.

Let's keep this going and see where it goes.

Best.

sonyhoppes
February 28, 2008, 01:15 PM
Any gun not totally turned around by a single trip to the factory, to me, has lost any semblence of dependability and is disqualified from being a concealed carry piece.

I know this is a small sampling, but it's indicative of a larger scale. You'd think the KT fanboys would be posting in DROVES in this thread. :rolleyes:

Anyway you look at it, 37.5% failure rate, according to this thread, is pretty damned bad in my book. According to you, if it's not fixed the first time it goes back, then we're looking at a 25% failure rate. Sorry, 1 in 4 guns needing more than one trip back just ain't cuttin' it. Again, you'd expect this number to be FAR smaller with the fanboys rushing to defend their plastic fantastic, but that doesn't seem to be the case now, does it? At least until the word gets out and all the KTOGers start posting just for posterity. :rolleyes:

Look at all the other P3AT problem threads and even ENTIRE forums devoted to fixing all things KT. And people, don't bring up the "gunsmithing" forum at Glocktalk, either, as done before because that isn't the same thing. That forum is NOT limited to Glocks, but addresses every single manufacturer that wants to be discussed. Despite the name, Glocktalk, by in large, does not have the majority of guns being discussed made by Glock. In fact, on the main page, there's only ONE forum dedicated strictly to Glock and the owner (Eric) of that board doesn't even own a Glock.

jsconnelly
February 28, 2008, 02:25 PM
I'm guessing you put mine in the bottom category since I haven't sent mine back yet. I won't be abandoning the platform once I get a gun that works. I have too good a holster for it. : ) I knew what I was getting into before I bought it. I was a fairly active member on the KTOG board and read about all of the issues. I too did the fluff and buff on mine out of the box.

sonyhoppes
February 28, 2008, 02:27 PM
Well, it's been said time and time again that some people are gluttons for punishment!:neener:

DerbyDale
February 28, 2008, 07:52 PM
I have been going back and forth about either tading my 5" XD in for a 3" XD or getting a Kel-Tec PF-9.

However hearing things like They are great pistols just as long as you don't shoot them much. Doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I think if you are going to have a pistol for CCW, you should practice/shoot it more than any other pistol you own. If the Kel-Tec won't hold up to regular range trips, then I think I should go with the bulkier XD, since shooting it wont break it.

sonyhoppes
February 28, 2008, 07:56 PM
I hear ya, Derby... I've never bought into the "carry a lot, shoot a little" mindset with a defensive/CCW pistol that's an "always gun". A person NEEDS to train a LOT to be proficient with a carry piece. It seems the smaller ones are the most carried ones as well. Hence, the KT fanboy decree of "XXX gun/caliber is better than the one left at home because it's too big/heavy/etc." But, the KT fanboys have a solution to this dilemma. Have multiple copies of them so you'll have something to carry when one has to go back to KT for repair. Nice solution. :rolleyes:

ToughGuyLevi over on Glocktalk has over 12,000 rounds through a Kahr PM9 which isn't really that much bigger and heavier than a P3AT and fires a more powerful round (+p 9mm). It is still smaller overall in dimensions than the PF9. I have several thousand rounds through my PM9 and it just keeps ticking. I changed the recoil spring assembly (free from Kahr) about 500 rounds ago for preventative maintenance. I was NOT having any failures that caused me to do so.

The PF9 is, in fact, less expensive than the PM9, but hey... You get what you pay for.

glove
February 28, 2008, 08:49 PM
Hello
500 rounds and counting.:) No FTF or FTE. This is a 2nd. Gen. pistol. Clean after every 100 rounds.
Dave Z

orionengnr
February 28, 2008, 08:52 PM
Nope.
One Gen 1 and one Gen 2, neither has been 100%.
Sold the unsatisfactory Gen 2 yesterday with full disclosure, and while the Gen 1 is "somewhat" better, it's not reliable enough to carry, and if I can't trust it enough to carry it, I have no reason to own it...

I also owned (note the use of the past tense) one P-32 and one P-11. Neither was trustworthy, although I eventually got the P32 working. Both are now gone.

Oh-for-four with KTs here, and there won't be a fifth. :)

alamo
February 28, 2008, 10:52 PM
Before 5000 rounds, I expect the pistol to be unrepairably damaged (though Kel-Tec may completely replace it at that time).

I would expect the Ruger to last for many thousands of rounds, indefinitely, really.


Curious to know why you would expect the Ruger to last forever no matter how many rounds through it when they are roughly the same size and weight and made of the same materials? Is Ruger's polymer more durable or their steel stronger?

rhubarb
February 28, 2008, 11:19 PM
My Keltec 380 has 100 rounds through it. It has failed to return to battery 4 or 5 times. I've never shot more than 20 rounds through it without a cleaning.

romeo212000
February 28, 2008, 11:43 PM
After the first 25 rounds to help break it in mine has been %100.

Master Blaster
February 29, 2008, 12:14 AM
Once in a while my hammer strut fails to connect requiring a rack of the slide, occasionally there is a ftf. When I was cleaning it the ejector/slidestop spring jumped out of place and wedged itself between the frame and the grip. My P-32 is a gen 1 and hasnt been back to keltec yet.

I carry it only when I can't carry a larger gun which is rarely. 642 and Glock 26 are my preferred carry guns.

Craig M. Arnold
February 29, 2008, 12:50 AM
I have two first gen P3ATs. One has 1300 rounds through it. The other one has 800 rounds through it. Both have been 100%.

Best regards.

Bullet
February 29, 2008, 03:04 AM
Anyway you look at it, 37.5% failure rate, according to this thread, is pretty damned bad in my book.


Yea, but that means if you were using one to protect your family or yourself most of the time youíd be OK.

Not good enough for me. Iíll look at the Ruger.

ranger351w
February 29, 2008, 07:02 AM
I have had my p3at for almost a year now and a couple hundred rnds through. I had a couple ftf in first couple of mags then it is perfect since. I carry it in my back pocket as I do lawn care and that is the best place. I would buy another.

Have a pf9 and carry it iwb 4:00 ss it was flawles from the start except when I bought some reloads at a gun show. Had a few ftfire but that was in the loads. Love it.

golfdog
February 29, 2008, 08:21 AM
Carried first gen over 4 years every day. As a backup and off duty weapon. Polished feed ramp with felt tip dremel tool and Flitz. I have done this for 5 other Kel tec friends have purchased. Recommend magazine rotation every 2-3 months, Use Corbon Powrball for carry, any cheap hardball for practice. I never use wolf ammo as commercial extractors were not designed for steel cases. Keep 5 in mag one in chamber. I use a compressor to clean the lint from the barrel and hammer area weekly. Full cleaning after range use or with mag rotation.

After at least 500 rounds no FTF or extraction issues.

After examining several other older kel tec magazines where the owner loaded 6 for extended periods of time, I found the spring was very weak.
Compared to mine original two which were rotated and only loaded with 5.

Best Regards

jackstinson
February 29, 2008, 01:09 PM
Mine has been 100%.....out of the box....no fluff'n'buff.
I broke it in with 100 basic Remington FMJ's. Since then I've shot several hundred 88 grain Remington JHP's through it, not one hiccup.
I saw the Ruger online, it is nice looking. I won't be replacing my P3AT with one though. The P3AT in a Nemesis fits comfy in my pocket and goes bang when I pull the trigger. Mine works for me. :)
Jack

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