Should Autos Have More Than One Mag?


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Confederate
February 29, 2008, 01:45 PM
I have a number of autoloaders that have only one magazine. While I have four spare mags for my Smith 645 and about four for my 659, my Beretta 21A, 70S, and 950 all came (as far as I can tell) with one. My little Jennings J-22 has two.

Question, should all autos have more than one magazine? How many here have autoloaders and only have one mag for it? And finally, where's the best place to find Beretta magazines that don't cost an arm and a leg? I'm leery about buying off brands. Are there some I should specifically avoid?

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American_Pit_Bull
February 29, 2008, 01:50 PM
The only pistol that I have ever purchased that only came with one mag was a Bulgarian Makarov.

Jackal
February 29, 2008, 01:56 PM
I always like to have at least 2 mags for any gun I own. That way, if one mag gets messed up, you have a spare.

rcmodel
February 29, 2008, 01:57 PM
I am a firm believer in having a minimum of at least two, or even better, three mags for every pistol I own.

Of course there are exceptions.
Like so many 1911 mags I can't count them easily.
10 or 12 Model 41 S&W mags.
7 or 8 Glock 23 mags.

Why?

First, I really believe in Murphy's Law, all of them.
*If you have only one of something, it will break, just after you can't get them anymore.
*If you have two, they might not break, but probably will at some point.
*If you have three or more, none of them will ever break, even after they stop making them!

Then there is always the possibility it won't break.
*But get lost or misplaced.
*Or dropped & stepped on.
*Or just not feed right some day, and you don't have a spare mag to rule out a mag problem with the first one.

Try CDNN for mags:
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/beretta.html

rcmodel

RyanM
February 29, 2008, 01:58 PM
If it's just a "fun gun," one mag is probably fine. For a CCW piece, I like to have two spares.

foghornl
February 29, 2008, 02:00 PM
Proper question is "How many more than 1"?

I have 10 USGI and Springer mags since I have 2 1911's to feed

4 to fit my KP-90 Ruger

4 for my MKII

Storm
February 29, 2008, 02:08 PM
I try and have between four and eight mags for each pistol depending on price and rarity, not counting extended mags. Eight is my magic number where I will stop.

PPGMD
February 29, 2008, 02:31 PM
You should have as many magazines as you can afford. Only my PPK do I not have any spare magazines for it. But that gun is rarely used beyond a range trip once or twice a month.

buzz_knox
February 29, 2008, 02:44 PM
For a fun gun, a minimum of two makes sense as it cuts down on a loading time. For a concealed carry weapon, you want a reload with you as mags are the most likely cause of malfunctions, and getting rid of the mag is step 1 in most clearance drills. It makes sense to rotate those mags so having spares makes sense as well.

Add in the fact that magazines wear out and/or can be damaged relatively easily, and having multiple mags for every weapon you are likely to use significantly is a good idea.

Hokkmike
February 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
Question, should all autos have more than one magazine?

Do you mean should all auto-loaders be sold with more than one mag or should the owner see to it he has extras? My answer is yes to both. Two is an absolute minimum.

NG VI
February 29, 2008, 03:44 PM
even the G 27 I bought a week ago already has four magazines, with more on the way. even for a fun gun, range-use only, I'd still advise buying at least two more than the gun came with. and if standard capacity is over ten, buy four more than it came with, just buy them here and there, never hurts to have a few extra to keep it running smoothly. And most importantly, who knows what will be goingon 18 months from now.

I say buy a few more if you can afford it, and shop around online, that's where I've gotten all but two of my magazines from.

sigp6
February 29, 2008, 03:56 PM
I try to have a minimum of six per gun. For some I have a lot more - my Glock 19 for example has 19 magazines.

Mot45acp
February 29, 2008, 04:42 PM
G 17 mag inventory:
9 17 rounders.
4 19 rounders.
7 33 rounders.

In my defense as a mag monger, I have a G26 and a Sub 2000 in G17 format.

For my G30 I have 4 10 rounders and 2 13 rounders.

For the Mil Pro PT145 I only have the original 2 that came with it. Reason being I havent decided if its a keeper yet.

Mot45acp
February 29, 2008, 04:47 PM
G 17 mag inventory:
9 17 rounders.
4 19 rounders.
7 33 rounders.

In my defense as a mag monger, I have a G26 and a Sub 2000 in G17 format.

For my G30 I have 4 10 rounders and 2 13 rounders.

For the Mil Pro PT145 I only have the original 2 that came with it. Reason being I havent decided if its a keeper yet.

Gun Slinger
February 29, 2008, 05:01 PM
The magazine is a crucial component of any semi-automatic pistol (rifles too). Without a magazine, the semi-auto becomes an overly complicated single shot at best.

Given that, I try to keep ten magazines per pistol plus the one in the gun on all of my serious SD/CCW pieces. Ten is an arbitrary number in that I chose it because it seemed to be an adequate number to ensure the presence of spares, replacements and the inevitable breakage(s) in the years to come without having to worry about model discontinuations and the like.

GS

mpmarty
February 29, 2008, 05:06 PM
Two is one, one is none.

UnTainted
February 29, 2008, 05:49 PM
yes, the law of entropy

strat81
February 29, 2008, 06:22 PM
One magazine... how quaint. :)
A magazine is not an accessory. It is an integral part of your weapon.

4 mags for my 24/7
6 mags for my G26
8 mags for my Spartan
9 mags for my WASR
9 mags for my Stag-15
"buttload" of en bloc clips for my M1

And I consider myself very understocked in the mag department. I think those Arfcom guys who buy mags by the 100-count case have made me feel inadequate. ;)

Mac45
February 29, 2008, 06:31 PM
At least 2 for anything except plinkers.
2 for the plinkers ain't a bad idea either.:)

floydster
February 29, 2008, 06:45 PM
I sure would think so, who wants to drive a car with one mag and three steel rims, that wouldn't look good.
Just my opinion, Floydster:D

littlegator
February 29, 2008, 06:48 PM
I have 4 mags for my M&P 9, mostly because it makes it easier at the range.

NewGuy77
February 29, 2008, 06:53 PM
I like to have 3 mags for my Glock 19, that is kept in my dresser. I have one that is loaded with hallow points and I rotate every two weeks or so. This way the spring does not wear out. I do not worry about needed more than one loaded, because the hold 15.
That said, I have two more low capacity magazines in my range bag.

Moonclip
February 29, 2008, 06:58 PM
I have a few that only have one or two due to cost, laziness in tracking down more, ect. Only one that I remember off the top of my head include a Helwan(one didn't work from the get go), a Star 30M(only have one Pro Mag!),my Sig Sauer P239 9mm. All autos IMHO should have 3, ones use for serious purposes should have 6. Guns that are or may become obsolete should have magazines acquired as they turn up and are fairly priced.

kd7nqb
February 29, 2008, 07:00 PM
I have 4 mags for my M&P .40 (2 with the gun+ the free mags offer) and I very much would like 3 or 4 more. This way I dont have to unload my carry ammo when I go plinking.

legion3
February 29, 2008, 08:30 PM
I have 10 mags for my Walther P88 - go price those things, now how many G 19 mags do you guess I Have for my 3 G19's?

Never have to many mags, EVER!

I guess I am a mag hoarder.

Pat-inCO
February 29, 2008, 08:45 PM
Same answer to both. :rolleyes:

Shooter973
February 29, 2008, 09:36 PM
I'd feel very uncomforable having just one mag per semi auto handgun. Most of the statemants made by the other posters are my are my sentiments.... Ya should always have at least one or more mags for each gun...:scrutiny:
Cheap insurance against having an expensive single shot, or no shooter at all.

Avenger29
February 29, 2008, 09:41 PM
I like to have 3 mags for my Glock 19, that is kept in my dresser. I have one that is loaded with hallow points and I rotate every two weeks or so. This way the spring does not wear out

Modern springs do not take a set- it's the cycling of the spring from compressed to uncompressed that wears it out. So leave your mag loaded. I've even heard of pretty old mags that had been loaded for a long time functioning just fine.

Better to have several mags per gun. Leave a couple in the factory package, if you desire, and set them aside, just in case.

mavracer
February 29, 2008, 09:59 PM
I think I own two guns that only have one mag a colt vest pocket 25 which I don't really care if I ever shoot it and my ciner 22 conversion which may not count cause I have 17 45acp 1911 mags.

rbernie
February 29, 2008, 10:10 PM
Since magazines are wearable items that are frequently dropped and/or suffer neglect, I tend to want at least ten (10) magazines per pistol. There are some for which I have less, but I have at LEAST ten for each of my carry/range guns.

DAVIDSDIVAD
February 29, 2008, 10:12 PM
How many magazines can I stuff in my underwear?

hahah, just joking.


I was rather disappointed when I got my brand spanking new Kimber this week; it only came with one magazine.

Oh well, now I won't feel so bad when I buy some Wilson mags/



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I like to have 3 mags for my Glock 19, that is kept in my dresser. I have one that is loaded with hallow points and I rotate every two weeks or so. This way the spring does not wear out
Modern springs do not take a set- it's the cycling of the spring from compressed to uncompressed that wears it out. So leave your mag loaded. I've even heard of pretty old mags that had been loaded for a long time functioning just fine.

Better to have several mags per gun. Leave a couple in the factory package, if you desire, and set them aside, just in case.

Indeedly doodley. PM me for the detailed reasons why as written by my engineer of a brother.

BucksDC
February 29, 2008, 10:37 PM
I'm a mag monger. All my autos have at least 8 mags or more. If it's a hicap pistol I won't keep 10 rnd mags, only hicaps. My only 2 exceptions are my P-14 with 5 mags and SW-5 with 4 mags.
I like having drawers full of magazines. I attribute it to starting my hobby during the ban years. I remember paying $90 for a cracked Glock 21 mag.:what:
NEVER AGAIN.

Feanaro
February 29, 2008, 11:06 PM
In most cases I'd say that four magazines are the minimum. Even for a range gun.


To practice a proper reload, you need at least two magazines.
You need at least two more, because stuff happens.
You need at least one backup per magazine you carry. One in the chute plus two on the belt equals three backups at home. Because one or all of them may break, develop feeding problems, or get thrown out by your toddler.
It sucks having to cram "boolets" into a magazine every (insert capacity) number of rounds.
You can't practice "tactical reloads" without two magazines, if that's your bag.
Extra loaded ammo is never a bad thing.
If you spend less time loading magazines, you can get in more shooting. This works best if you have about 20 loaded mags. :evil:
More is better. :D

Moonclip
February 29, 2008, 11:29 PM
I have over 20 for Makarovs but that is partly because I have 7 of them and because I purchased some of them at $1.50 in 2000.

Onmilo
March 1, 2008, 12:00 AM
Five magazines for any semi auto pistol is the absolute minimum in my opinion.

With todays anti-gun politics in play, any serious shooter should own as many as he can afford to stash.

SouthpawShootr
March 1, 2008, 12:13 AM
I've bought several pistols over the past few years. Only FN with their FNP has done it right. They shipped the gun with 3 mags. That is the bare minimum that I require on hand for any gun I'm going to carry. Target/range guns require more My $750 Kimber TLE II came with only one crappy Kimber mag. Each of 3 Colts in my inventory were supplied with only one mag (granted, the newest of these is over 13 years old). The last Taurus I bought only included one mag (although they may have remedied this - I've seen several NIB at recent shows with 2 mags). Each of my latest 2 Para-Ordnances only shipped with one magazine. Most other brands have shipped with only 2 and that, to me, is only mildly annoying. I bought a Buckmark once, several years back, that only came with one mag. Extras were over $30 each.

scurtis_34471
March 1, 2008, 12:23 AM
I have 2 magazines for my Bersa T380CC, Walther P22 and CZ PO-1. My wife has 4 magazines for her S&W M&P 9 Compact. I have 3 9-round magazines for my XD-40 SC and 8 12-round magazines for my XD-40 Service. I plan to acquire at least 2 more 14-round magazines for the CZ this year. I've been stocking up in case of another ban.

Confederate
March 1, 2008, 12:48 AM
I pretty much concur with the majority of statements here, but then why do companies like Beretta so often only include on magazine with their guns? Oh, I know! It's because Maryland and other backward, idiot states want them to add locks and keys. Anyway, it's aggravating because quite often the extra mags aren't even available for the Berettas. (Remember when mags could only have a capacity of 10? You had all these fat grip handguns with tiny, staggared magazines...yeeesh.)

Still, in training, many folks are taught to drop their mags and not taught for retention, the idea being that concentration should be concentrated entirely on combat. But in some cases, magazines may be critical to retain.

With this philosophy, one would think there would be some spare Beretta mags lying around.

1911 guy
March 1, 2008, 09:44 AM
Yes. Even with large capacity, there is the possibility of a malfunction. Clearing and inserting a reload is often the only way to quickly get back in action.

MustangHowie
March 1, 2008, 09:56 AM
I like to have 3 mags per gun.

If I really like the gun, I have 10 mags for it.

If I really, really like the gun, I have multiple guns with 10 mags each.

SigP232
March 1, 2008, 10:01 AM
I have a lest 10 or more for each of my Glocks

GBExpat
March 1, 2008, 10:43 AM
I have 25 pistols and the least number of mags that I have for any of them is ~4.

Phelptwan
March 1, 2008, 11:03 AM
I'm not happy until I have 10 mags for each gun I own...never know when you might need to reload.

Gun Slinger
March 1, 2008, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by MustangHowie:
If I really like the gun, I have 10 mags for it.

If I really, really like the gun, I have multiple guns with 10 mags each.


Howie,

I have this exact philosophy and practice also.

Nice to know that 8 Glock 17's with the "appropriate" number of magazines as well as three Glock 19's, five HK USP's (two in .45 ACP and three in 9x19) similarly equipped does not render me the exception to the rule.

Now there are two of us. :evil: :evil: :evil:

GS

Trebor
March 2, 2008, 01:44 AM
Even for a "fun gun" range-only plinker you want at least two mags. If you only have one mag, and it goes bad, your SOL. That and if you start having malfunctions you can troubleshoot the problem by trying the second mag. If the problem goes away, it was mag related, if it persists, look elsewhere. (Unless both mags are bad)

For a "recreational shooter" that *might* also serve defensive duty, I reccommend at least three or four mags. More is always better, but three or four is the minimum if you think you might rely on the gun for defense.

For a *dedicated* defensive gun, I think six mags is the minimum. That gives you three "duty" mags and three "range/practice" mags. First make sure *all* the mags work, and then set aside the "duty" mags ONLY for defensive use. Use them for carry or home defense. At the range, use your dedicated "practice" mags so you don't have to worry that any damage caused by dropping them during speed loads or spring wear or anything will cause them not to work when you need them.

Ala Dan
March 2, 2008, 07:45 AM
I think all semi-auto's ought to be supplied from the manufactuer with at
least two magazines~! ;)

theken206
March 2, 2008, 07:50 AM
half a dozen mags for any semi or full auto weapon minimum IMHO

Peter M. Eick
March 2, 2008, 09:09 AM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/mag_strore.jpg

I ended up with so many mags (I shoot any of my guns that I cannot load at least 50 rounds in) that I had to get a store to put them in. I even put some of the spare moonclips in.

Rifle mags go in bins as I think I have 20 mags per rifle.

goon
March 2, 2008, 10:00 AM
I like to have six or so for any handgun, as many as I can get for rifles.

SAWBONES
March 2, 2008, 11:49 AM
The raison d'etre of the semiautomatic handgun is firepower, that is, availability of lots of ammunition, fast.

There are other advantages and disadvantages, but since that's one of the main advantages, of course a semiautomatic handgun should have several magazines, ready and loaded, and if the gun is used for CCW, carried too.

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