Looking for a cheap red dot


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Ithaca37
March 4, 2008, 02:25 AM
Does anybody have a suggestion for a cheap red dot? I am not looking for a $200+ ACOG or anything like that. I just want a basic decent quality red dot. Maybe something around $100-150 max.

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strat81
March 4, 2008, 02:37 AM
Bushnell Trophy MP
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=297384

Oh, and ACOGs are WAYYY more than $200.

Ithaca37
March 4, 2008, 02:39 AM
Oh, and ACOGs are WAYYY more than $200.

Yeah, I know. What are they running $400+

Thanks for the link.

Shawnee
March 4, 2008, 03:05 AM
I have a $35 Tasco on my Ithaca 72 lever-action .22 and it works fine - surprisingly accurate.

HTH

:cool:

eventer289
March 4, 2008, 03:07 AM
Search for G&P aimpoint on ebay. My buddy has a few of them. They are made for airsoft, but they should work fine on a .22. They are suprisingly nicely made.

safetyjoe
March 4, 2008, 03:20 AM
You could try these guys: http://ncstar.com A friend is using their Laser and Eotech clone on a 10/22 and they seem to work great.

Matt304
March 4, 2008, 04:13 AM
Search for G&P aimpoint on ebay. My buddy has a few of them. They are made for airsoft, but they should work fine on a .22. They are suprisingly nicely made.

Yes, if you are a budget person and not shooting heavy recoil, get an Aimpoint replica.

I held in one hand an Aimpoint replica (the G&P or whatever) and in the other hand I held a real Aimpoint ML-2 off a buddy's AR. I asked my other friend who would not be biased towards one to look through both of the scopes, with both on their brightest setting in daylight, and to tell me which one looks to be the best sight in his opinion.

He sat there looking through each one and comparing them, and he could not tell a difference between the two. He told me that if he had to determine which one was brightest, it was the one on the left. The one on the left was the replica Aimpoint.

My buddy who owned the sight was pretty upset about that. He mentioned that his does have the nightvision setting (an invisible dot in the daytime), which the replica did not. Indeed, it does have the NV setting if you need it. Most people do not.

People tell me, "oh, but the Aimpoint has superior optics..."

The three of us admitted that day that there is no difference in optical quality between them when you are looking through the sights. You may pay for "better optical quality", but our eyes showed us no discernable difference through the unmagnified sights.

I'm not usually one to use lower-quality as a means of comparison or example against the nice stuff. However, these sights have given me a different outlook on how easily I will spend my money on the "nice" stuff. I am a firm believer that Aimpoint could bring us their quality much cheaper than they are, and I feel like if someone is offering me the replica sight for $60, and the Aimpoint for $500, I am getting ripped off by the real deal. Both of them have to carry out very similar manufacturing processes to bring you the parts, and I don't feel there is any way that the real deal costs 8 times as much to manufacture. Holding them in your hands they are identical, with exception of some small parts like zero adjustment parts and seals etc.

Another friend has had a replica mounted on an AR for about 2 weeks now, and shooting targets out to 35 yards or so, it seems to be holding zero very well after removing it with the QR picatinny mount a few times.

nwilliams
March 4, 2008, 04:21 AM
I just bought a Pentax Gameseeker holographic sight for my Yugo AK and the quality seems pretty good. $50+shipping direct from Pentax and its adjustable and very bright.

http://www.pentaxwebstore.com/detail/PTX+89700

Here it is mounted on my AK
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/YugoAK4.jpg

Funderb
March 4, 2008, 04:25 AM
M1 surplus is a great supplier for NCstar,
I have a few of their products and cannot argue whatsoever.

kennedy
March 4, 2008, 04:55 AM
I found a used aimpoint on auction arms for about $200, works great at 25 yds on my .40 witness silver team

dm1333
March 4, 2008, 05:17 AM
I just talked to one of the local gun shop guys about the same thing and he recommended Millet. Their stuff looked decent but it is at the high end of your price range.

jpwilly
March 4, 2008, 09:43 AM
TruGlow! I have three and they have no problem with recoil or holding zero. Broke and returned a few of Cabelas Pine Ridge red dots and holographics before getting the TruGlow.

jlbraun
March 4, 2008, 01:14 PM
I had a few cheap red dots on my AK. They all broke. I just went and got an Aimpoint. I'm much happier.

RNG
March 4, 2008, 01:57 PM
Wally-World - BSA 30mm for $30.00.

alohanole
March 4, 2008, 04:36 PM
I have a TruGlo on my AK and it is fantastic for a ~$50 optic. Check 'em out!

jpwilly
March 4, 2008, 05:58 PM
I'll post again TRUGLO! for $50 they hold together. The other cheap solutions Tasco, Simmons, BSA, Leapers, Barska, FM red dots from my experiance are junk on semi auto centerfire or hard recoiling bolt action rifles.

My AR and AK both have TruGlo's after breaking and returing a number of other brands mentioned above!

Keep in mind the same holographic sold under Cabelas Pine Ridge is sold by Leapers and Barska. The glass came loose after just 50rnds on my AR.

M2 Carbine
March 4, 2008, 06:31 PM
I don't recommend anything but I use about 18 BSA Red Dot sights on everything from 22 pistols to AK's to AR's to 12 ga shotguns.
For $30 if I have any problem I just throw them away, but I can't recall throwing one away.

Accurate?
BSA PD-30.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/M4BSARedDot.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/BMM4100ydsBSA.jpg

Tough? I haven't been able to break one yet.:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Ithicapistolgrip.jpg

Ithaca37
March 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I'll have to poke around and see what the local shops have available to inspect in person.

railroader
March 4, 2008, 09:15 PM
I have 3 of these millet red dots they are 3moa and they work good. They are on sale right now, $61. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=459296&t=11082005

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=459296

Mark

jrfoxx
March 5, 2008, 05:29 AM
I had a Bushnell Trophy Red/Green dot (4 reticles, each selectable in red or green) that I got for just under $100 (the price looks to still be the same for these) on my WASR for close to 4 years (it now resides on my new Bushmaster M4), and had no issues with battery life, fuzzy glass or reticles, change in zero, durability, etc.I even managed to have the gun fall over a few times with the scope on, leaving a couple decent scratches on the tube at least one of them, and still didnt have any problems.Based on my personal experiance with this scope, I would HIGHLY recommend it for the price.Lots of nice features, fairly cheap, and holds up and oes what its supposed to very well.Others, from what I have heard, have had the same experiance, as I have heard a fair bt of good reviews, and never a bad one (doesnt mean there arent any, I just havent seen them).Worth looking into, IMHO.

jack the toad
March 5, 2008, 08:38 AM
So far I've had good luck with the ATN Digital Compact on my AR.
Little over $100 delivered

rangerruck
March 5, 2008, 09:26 AM
avoid nc star, very cheap chinese crap made with Christian slave labor, no doubt. The Tasco and the bushnell are actually very good...

Funderb
March 5, 2008, 10:13 AM
how can you call tasco higher quality than ncstar?
I've have several tasco scopes fail on me. Completely,
one's objective shattered after 3 shots with an m44.
They never held zero, because they are made of plastic on the inside.

par0thead151
April 2, 2008, 02:37 PM
im interested in getting a red dot for my ak, 1022, and 9 mm 2XTM
is the truglow really that much better?
i can get a Pine Ridge Red Dot scope 30mm for 25$ locally(quazi used)

Sergeant Sabre
April 2, 2008, 02:59 PM
Maybe an Ultra-Dot?

www.ultradotwest.com

ImARugerFan
April 2, 2008, 03:56 PM
If you go cheap, try it out in person and make sure it's parallax free. Nothing worse than parallax.

highorder
April 2, 2008, 04:19 PM
not to call you out, but there is no parallax error on a 1X optic.


even on other optics, the error is so small it has little effect except at relatively long ranges.

AR-Trvlr
April 2, 2008, 04:19 PM
Midway has this BSA (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=399922) sight on sale for $30 - normally $99.

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=399922

GunTech
April 3, 2008, 01:38 AM
There is one huge difference between the Aimpoint CompM3 or CompML3 and the knockoffs - battery life. The Aimpoints electronics mean battery changes every 5 years or so if the sight is left on 24 hours a day. The copies also are prone to fog up, and can be ruined by rain.

jbauch357
April 3, 2008, 03:22 AM
I am looking for the same thing, and was wondering what you all thought of this combo:

This mount (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=990185&t=11082005) and either the red-dot above (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=399922) or the other red-dot (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/becsppa33res.html)that I've been looking at.

Any feedback is really appreciated!

MaterDei
April 3, 2008, 04:07 AM
There is one huge difference between the Aimpoint CompM3 or CompML3 and the knockoffs - battery life.

+1

I have a $30 BSA on my 10/22 and it has been just great. Very accurate and durable. I don't shoot this rifle in the rain so that's not an issue for me. Leave the sight on, however, and your looking at a dead battery almost overnight.

APIT50
April 3, 2008, 09:20 AM
Burris speeddot on sale at OpticsPlanet right now

Zouave Rifle
April 3, 2008, 10:43 AM
The Simmons Red-Dot that Cabela's sells is pretty good. I picked one up at a gun show for $30 a while back. It's on top of my 10/22 right now. Fun!

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