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[Ian11]

I wonder what his stance is on the 2nd Amendment?


I think he has a real chance. He's a more of a populist than anyone else. Scary?! If we're going to hell in a handbasket might as well have Schwarzenegger behind the steering wheel.:D

I like it!!!:D :D :D

[Kharn]

Arnold Schwarzenegger just announced he's running for Governor of Kali. The press conference was on all major networks.

Kharn

[Mark Tyson]

Unfortunately, Arnold is for "common sense" gun control, blah blah blah . . .

He should stick with acting.

[Schuey2002]

Hasta la vista, Grey Davis!!!!!! :D

[Ian11]

:(


His movies definately fooled me. (joke)

[Skunkabilly]

"Up and at them...."

"Up and atom!"

"Up and at them..."

[Kharn]

Less-detailed post over in Legal & Political: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34533
Could a mod please take care of it?

Just a thought: Practically ANYONE with an R next to their name is better than Gray Davis for gun rights in Kali.

Kharn

[10-Ring]

Great timing....right after DiFi said she wasn' going to run!

[Moparmike]

Unfortunately for those in KA, "common sense gun control" to Ahnohld isnt seen as hitting within 1 moa of poa.:D

Even if he sticks to what is on the books, it wont be as bad as the ever growing prospect of the anti's movement in KA.

[HBK]

Well, since Arnold is pro abortion and anti gun, I'm not celebrating.

[seeker_two]

From Dumbo to RINO.... :rolleyes:

Guess all the true conservatives left Kali-frutia for the safety of the United States... :neener:

[Standing Wolf]

Close the oven door, please: Red Davis is nearly done.

[gun-fucious]

Now thats a big Kennedy

[twoblink]

Just a thought..

I read an article last week that said, come 2004, California will probably get the title of "Most Business unfriendly state"...

Gravy Davis has passed more laws than all other PRK gov'ners COMBINED. He has sent the golden state to the toilet on a one way express train...

So I think "A'Nold" cannot possibly be worse!!

he just needs to sit in office and do NOTHING... and he will have done much more than Gravy Davis..

He TOLD YOU he would be back!!

[Carlos]

Darn, didn't realize the Terminator was anti-gun. My bad. Better pay better attention. :(

[Quartus]

Major anti. Typical elitist -WE can have them but you commoners can't- attitude.

The only reason he calls himself a Republican is that he's pro-business. Other than that, he's a Democrat. And dangerous.

Arnie plays a good guy, but so does Alek Baldwin.

[Bigjake]

hahaha thats great. with all the other idiots that considered running arold is like the best possible thing i can deduce from that article. i'm all for seeing him "erase" davis and fineswine.

[4570Rick]

Just what we need, another SQUISH.:banghead:

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I for one, welcome our new CyberDyne Systems T-101 overlord.

[4v50 Gary]

Where's Jesse Ventura when we need him?

[Matt G]

Moving to Legal And Political.

[Bruce H]

I wonder if Arnold running is democrat damage control? His running will put a real crimp in Tom McClintock's chances. I smell Theodore the bloated here.

[longeyes]

Think of Ted Kennedy on 'roids.

Arnold represents escapism, bread and circuses, fantasy, not a
real adult solution to very real problems. It will have to get
worse before it gets better.

Now, what exactly did Arnold promise Maria? Anyone?

Arnold collects the firearms he uses in his films. Give him time,
he will collect ours too.

[longeyes]

Great choice here: A movie action-hero or Loretta Sanchez, who stole
her Congressional seat by voter fraud from Bob Dornan. We need
more than Conan to turn this state around. Fantasy won't cut it.

Two more reasons to move to Oregon muy pronto.

[Guy B. Meredith]

Uh... Who is Arnold's wife again?

[Jim March]

Ahnuld is married to a Kennedy.

:scrutiny:

OK, despite Ahnuld being a twit, this is actually good news if it keep Riorden out of play.

Ahnuld is a joke and his poll numbers will go nowhere. Support will center around McClintock, Simon or Issa. I would both bet on and support McClintock, although Simon isn't a disaster.

Here's what I wrote for the California Republican Liberty Caucus (read: small-L libertarians infiltrating the GOP) mailing list:

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I cannot express my support for Senator McClintock deeply enough.

1) He is among the most pro-self-defense legislators this state has ever seen. Currently, only Ray Haynes is as good; many others such as Jay LaSeur come laudibly close but McClintock is unsurpassed.

2) He also has a wonderful (and well-deserved) reputation for fiscal conservatism...which is what the state is badly in need of.

3) His campaign for Controller failed because of the generally poor showing in the other GOP campaigns; if Simon's campaign hadn't been run by a crew of syphalitic chimpanzees (that was certainly the appearance), McClintock would have won. He ran a clean, mud-free, creative (and funny) campaign that didn't hurt his credibility any long-term.

For all these reasons, I believe McClintock is the single best choice for Governor. Simon would be tolerable, if he can get his campaign in gear; Issa is probably toast, Ahnuld is an idiot and Riorden lies every time he calls himself a "Republican".

I believe McClintock's best talking point would be to convince people he is going to slash executive-branch spending that the Governor has direct control over - the various committees, "study groups" and other "crony holding positions" are full of literally billions of dollars of fat that can be slashed with a stroke of the Governor's pen, and will go a long ways towards convincing Wall Street that at least SOME of the state's management is now in the hands of adults who aren't tying fiscal policy to million-dollar campaign contributions.

[Monkeyleg]

Longeyes, don't forget how Loretta Sanchez won over Dornan. She changed her name to Sanchez. Wasn't it something like Grossenschutzer prior to that campaign?

[Jim March]

This thread is a duplicate, main thread is:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34531

[Destructo6]

Arnold represents escapism, bread and circuses, fantasy, not a
real adult solution to very real problems. It will have to get
worse before it gets better.
I think that was said about another Hollywood actor...Reagan. The guy has not only survived, but thrived in a profession that is adamantly opposed to his views; that has to say something about his determination and savy.

[Mal H]

Threads merged.

[gun-fucious]

Arnold is married to Skellator
i mean Maria Kennedy Shriver

[HBK]

Reagan wasn't pro-abortion and anti-gun. Arnold is.

[grampster]

Arnold is a celebrity/entrepreneur/populist who is a firm believer in personal accountability and possibility. He is an immigrant who recognized the American experiment and grasped the meaning and responsibility of freedom. If you have at least peripheraly listened to his philosophy of life one can have a general idea about his politics as a result. I have not closely listened, so I want to hear out of his mouth his position on the 2A and on abortion. Recognizing that the rest of the country tends to affected by what happens in Kali, of course his position on a number of issues is equally important to me. So he is in the entertainment business. He still pays taxes and takes a healthy one at breakfast time.

Politics needs a personality. It works better that way. It is to our benefit to be led by someone who has one. (The media will certainly keep us aprized if his populism trends toward demagoguery, I'm sure) A thinking person should be able to sort out the wheat from the chaff. (That sort of lets out the Libs, heh heh)

This Kali situation will be very interesting because I think the "Sleeping Giant" is beginning to wake up. Government has drifted into a nanny mode because the "Giant" slumbered. Gray Davis represents the nanny state sleeping with the robber barons; the worst of the Left and the Right. This will have a national impact, because W tends to be slipping that way. If this political morphism ushers in progess toward the re-surgance of the American Melting Pot vs the snake of "Diversity" all will be well with the Union. Bush will re-evaluate his understanding of "Compasionate Conservatism" and regrasp that it is really about the Conservative leanings which the contributing American public actually agrees with. That can't hurt either.

What happens in Kali will be the leading edge of a rebounding of the American Spirit which will reinforce our way of life, liberty and freedom.

E Pluribus Unum

Grampster

[HBK]

I hope you're right, grampster. I think McClintock wolud be the man to do it.

edited for spelling

[Pendragon]

California is not worthy of a man like McClintock.

If he could get traction, he could be one of the best politicians of the 21st Century - or maybe ever.

[Gary H]

As Jim said:

I cannot express my support for Senator McClintock deeply enough.

I agree big time..but he has little chance in this state.

I was discussing Arnold with a rather well known gunsmith who has a personal relationship, over many years with the "Terminator." He conveyed a number first hand stories that revealed something of the man. Evidently, Arnold has many past activities that Davis will probably use.. I suspect that many of the activities might turn some of the male THR members green with envy. Personal, wilder days sort of things.. For one thing, Arnold is a big fan of firearms and owns a number of guns. Secondly, he is a fierce competitor and lacks any emotional element that would influence a decision. This may be good, or it may be bad..don't know. He is totally of one mind when he sets his mind on a project. He will take whatever stand is required to gain his goal. Read into this that he is pro-2nd..should he run in another state, but in CA.... Lastly, he has much greater resources than most people know. I don't have a clue as to what skill set he has that might clear up the mess in Sacramento. Of course, that requires recalling the rest of "The Hole in the Wall Gang"....the entire assembly..with few exceptions.

[4570Rick]

Ahnuld is a joke and his poll numbers will go nowhere. Support will center around McClintock, Simon or Issa. I would both bet on and support McClintock, although Simon isn't a disaster.

I hope you're right Mike, but living in Santa Ana and being surounded by sheeple:uhoh: I'm running a bit scared.

This just in, Cruze says he's going to run.:barf:

If we're getting rid of a rotten apple, why would Bustamente (another rotten apple) think he has the prayer of a snowball in hell?:fire:

[Duncan Idaho]

Ahnuld??? :barf:

[Jim March]

You know, there's been a lot of discussion on Ahnuld and gun issues.

The thing is, it wouldn't take a whole lot to make him one HELL of a lot better than either Davis or any other Dem. He might make noises about "assault rifles" but...hey, he seems to have learned that at Bush's knee :scrutiny:.

If his race by some miracle grows legs and takes off while all the others sputter, I'd consider voting for him, at least based on what we know so far. But I don't think it's going to happen.

Heh. As I write this, I'm watching his actual speech on Leno. As such things go, it was a VERY good speech (referring to the brief "first chunk", they broke to commercial and apparantly they'll continue with him after, as he's only been on for a couple minutes).

Hmmmm.

The lamestream media considers him the front-runner, at least as of tonight's news.

DiFi says she's out - so far. Cruz Bustamente says he's in, but I don't take that very seriously - he's not the sort of "uber-Dem" who could spell automatic doom on Davis. No word yet from Lockyer, who barely qualifies as such. If DiFi is serious about staying out, Baba Boxer *might* toss her hat in.

Man alive, is this gonna be interesting.

Ah, here's his second chunk:

Not as polished, but still quite solid. He's not trashing ANYbody except Davis; Leno gave him an opening on Ms. Huffington and he didn't take it (praised her intelligence, in fact), he had good words for Issa and Simon. The point is, he's making it about Davis.

Hmmm. Dunno. Leno may actually campaign for him. Hollywood in general might be surprisingly supportive.

We'll see.

[4570Rick]

Arianna Huffington should be good for a few laughs. :p

What a New Age Transindental Ultra Liberal Piece of…






























Work. :rolleyes:

[Sergeant Bob]

If they are correct, the likely next governor of California may be ... Conan the Barbarian, actor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Conservatives dissent. Schwarzenegger is pro-gay rights, pro-choice on abortion and pro-gun control, and called the impeachment of Bill Clinton a Republican disgrace. How, then, conservatives ask, could the Terminator win enough GOP support to be elected?

Pat Buchannon (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/pb20030618.shtml)

YR: Some critics argue that in your movies, there's a lot of violence and killing...you smoke cigars. So how can you be a role model for kids with this kind of example?

AS: That's a good question. But that question, you cannot ask me. Because I don't pick myself as the role model. You can't pick yourself. You can't say, this is what I want to do: I want to smoke stogies and do things to be a role model. The role model is picked by youth. You kids are the ones that admire me. You kids are the ones that see my movies. You kids are the ones that say, "This is really cool, Arnold with his muscles. I like his bodybuilding. I'm going to watch pumping iron.''

It's the kids that do it. They think it's cool when you have a stogie in the mouth. So when I go on the talk shows, I always tell the kids: don't smoke. Because what I do, I do to make it part of my character. It's an image thing. And the movies, with the gun in my hand? I don't run around every day with a gun in my hand. So I want kids to understand the difference: one is make-believe, like we do in movies. But in reality, I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy. I hate violence amongst the young kids.

Youthradio.org (http://www.youthradio.org/politics/021017_prop49.shtml)

AS PRESIDENT OF the Huntington Harbor Republican Women’s Club, Christiana has collected hundreds of signatures demanding the recall of Democratic Gov. Gray Davis. But her vote, Christiana says, may well go to a pro-choice, pro-gun-control immigrant whose signature issue is public funding for after-school programs. “I’m not the kind to accept a moderate,” she says. “But Arnold Schwarzenegger has the best chance to win.”
MSNBC.com
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/934778.asp?0bl=-0#BODY)

He said that he was not abandoning the idea of running for office as a Republican, but was only postponing his plunge into politics until his four children, ages 3 to 11, are older, the Times said Wednesday.

The Austrian-born former bodybuilder shares moderate views on gun control and abortion rights that match those of most California voters.

News Tribune (http://www.newstribune.com/stories/042601/ent_0426010005.asp)

Looks like The Governator is listing pretty badly to the port side.

[Boats]

Two more reasons to move to Oregon muy pronto.

Come on up. We don't want just all of the antis you've been sending us over the years. Provide some balance.:D

[dandean316]

Where's Jesse Ventura when we need him?

Hey CA can have Jesse. We've had enough of that guy. I hear he is considering moving to CA. Sounds like he'd be a good fit out there politically. Socially liberal, anti-hunting (you've never hunted man, you ain't no hunter), yet (kind of) pro-business, anti-tax (on cars and stuff Jesse likes), but haircuts? TAX! them. Hmmm, from a bald guy...

By the way, we were told Jesse was pro-carry when he ran. And he was - because he was having a problem getting his permit. Then he
got his permit paperwork pusherd through, then he didn't care. As long as Jesse could carry, the issue was dead.

But we got CCW, after throwing all the Metrocrats out.

[rick_reno]

It looks like Arnold announcing his bid has dragged some of the Democrats out of the porta potty. Lt. Gov. Crud Bustamante and that shining example of a public servant John Garamendi have announced they're going to run. This can't help Davis. These two prove that while you can dress up a turd and make it look nice, it still stinks.

However, the story that caught my eye was the report that none other than Bill Clinton has become a behind-the-scenes adviser to California's Democratic governor, Gray Davis. It's right here if you want to read it
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/ma.../07/wpres07.xml

[KRAUTGUNNER]

Aahhktshnn-Arnold ist a lying, disgusting hypocrite!!!

In an interview a few feeks ago, he advocated stricter gun control laws, if he'll be elected governor of California!!!

Quote: "Why do reasonable people need pumpguns?"

On screen he's toting the most lethal tools of destruction with utter nonchalance and simultanely he wants to disarm the citizens of California!

Just as obnoxious a character as Sean Connery!!! :cuss: :barf: :barf: :barf:

[OF]

Run! Get to the Chopah!

:)

Could CA get any wierder?

- Gabe

[Diesle]

Ahnuld is a joke and his poll numbers will go nowhere. Support will center around McClintock, Simon or Issa. I would both bet on and support McClintock, although Simon isn't a disaster.



Ahhhh hahahahahahahha. Dilusional.

Not that I care one way or the other.... but he WILL get the 15 or 20% of the vote that will be required to win this thing. The mess out there has been reduced to a matter of instinct at this point. The winner wont be picked on the issues.



Diesle


P.S. OK, I do care a little.....

[Diesle]

Sorry for the dual posts....


BTW, did you hear the crowd go wild for The Term. on The Tonight Show last night...? No awareness of 'the issues'. He could be for mandatory puncture wounding of all right handed citizens for all they care... He was THE MAN.

Take a look at this telling poll: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/07/calif.candidates/index.html

You know whats most interesting about this particular poll is that none of the 'real' candidates are on it. Very interesting... indeed.

I think you’ll be seeing a lot of this in the next 2 months.


I’m done,

Diesle

[Sean Smith]

My take on it is, basically, "who knows?"

It would appear, at least superficially, that the odds of getting an actively pro-2A governor of California is about the same as the odds of getting a pro-pedophilia governor of California... on a good day. So for the practical-minded, it is a question of damage control and degree of suckitude.

Having actually heard his announcement to run on Leno, I'll say he actually sounded genuinely pissed about what a mess California has become. And we know he isn't that great of an actor, so it isn't like he's going to be fooling people with mesmerizing rhetoric. :D

[longeyes]

In a sane world Tom McClintock would be California's next Governor.
But McC. operates from the realm of reality, not fantasy, and
today IMAGE rules, not reason. The sober days of the Republic are
gone. The good citizens seem passive and apathetic. Worrisome times.

I think Arnold is the Great Unknown. The best that can be said for
him is that he is a major political detonation device that will
blow the existing political alliances to Kingdom Come. Sometimes
you need some demolition work to pave the way to something better.
Whether Arnold leads the way toward a better California or something
far, far worse remains to be seen. In the meantime I think those
of us who espouse the Constitution need to get active at all levels.

[tiberius]

First Ventura, now Schwarzenegger, when is Carl Weathers gonna run for a governership? It would be the "Predator" trifecta. :)

[longeyes]

Somebody wake up Stallone! Rambo, come back!!! We need ya!

Hey, guys, let's not forget Gary Coleman. He's in this race too.

[longeyes]

"If you want to live, take my hand!"

[Cosmoline]

This is going to be a fun election. I can hear it now:

"Once there is Total Recall, I'll be back to Terminate Davis. I will crush him, drive his people before me, and hear the lamentations of his women."

[tiberius]

"Once there is Total Recall, I'll be back to Terminate Davis. I will crush him, drive his people before me, and hear the lamentations of his women."

Now that Arnold really is "The Running Man" it seems that Davis really is getting a "Raw Deal" .

[Nando Aqui]

Wouldn't Ueberroth be real competition for Arnold?
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With the filing deadline only two days away, former U.S. Olympics President and former Baseball Commissioner Peter Ueberroth has decided to take the first step in a potential bid to replace California Gov. Gray Davis in an October 7 recall election, sources close to the Republican businessman told CNN.

The sources said Ueberroth, 65, will pull the necessary paperwork for a candidacy Thursday and will make a final decision no later than Friday. The deadline for gubernatorial candidates to file is Saturday.

Sources close to the Republican businessman said Wednesday's announcement by actor Arnold Schwarzenegger will not deter him from continuing to give the race serious consideration.

The sources also said that if Ueberroth runs, he would do so as an Independent, pledging to have a bipartisan campaign staff and a bipartisan governor's office.

[Bruce H]

Been looking at some other boards and why do people want Riordan? The only difference between him and Davis is the spelling of their names. Does the nanny state just want a different nanny?

[DigitalWarrior]

He speaks of hope and responsibility. I like this.

He says shooting drugs and shooting drugs as if they are the same thing. I seriously don't like this. I wonder if perhaps he would change his opinion, he seems to be reasonable.


http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/life/hiswords/words_en_sac_perspectives.asp?sec=life&subsec=hiswords

"Which shows you that helping kids fill that after-school time by focusing on positive activities really works!

Kids shooting hoops - instead of shooting dope or shooting guns. How great is that?

And I'll go further: I think we need really good, fun after-school programs all across California and all across this country - so no parent has to worry what their kids are doing while they're at work.

I know you're going to say: "Arnold, you've been hanging out with those Kennedys too much. You want the government to raise our kids!" No I don't. I'm saying make the program available - and leave it up to the parents and kids whether they want to join or not.

Here comes another bottom line: What makes me happy today is not just walking down the red carpet at the premiere of a movie.

What makes me happy is going to an Inner City Games after-school program in East L.A. and getting terminated in chess by an 8-year-old girl! Or seeing a 12-year-old boy in San Antonio do homework on a computer for the first time.

It's getting kids to say no to drugs and guns, gangs and violence - and say yes to school and sports, life and hope. "

[David4516]

"Two more reasons to move to Oregon muy pronto."

Just what we need, more Kalifornians ;)

Just kidding. Oregon is a great state, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Just keep away from Portland, it's where all the dems like to hang out...