Springfield Armory: XD-45 VS 1911?


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Zeede
March 6, 2008, 02:13 AM
Well, I shot an XD-45 tonight, the Service size I believe (4" barrel) and I was surprised at how well it shot for me. Now I have a tough decision to make, and thought I'd ask all y'all here.

XD-45 Tactical VS 1911 Mil-Spec

The price is roughly the same. Both guns fire the same ammo (.45 ACP) through the same length barrel (5"). Neither will be used for concealed carry, so that is not a factor. Accuracy out of the box, triggers, reliability and ease of maintenance/breakdown are important. Aftermarket parts are not as important to me.

Cameron

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Youngster
March 6, 2008, 02:44 AM
A good poly pistol beats a "budget" 1911 IMO.

NWdude83
March 6, 2008, 04:32 AM
Like Youngster, I'd rather have a good hi-cap polymer gun over a budget 1911. Unless you really like 1911s, then maybe a Taurus PT1911 would be the ticket.

Dobe
March 6, 2008, 04:36 AM
Lower price doesn't mean lesser quality every time. The SA Mil Spec has a good rep.

Ala Dan
March 6, 2008, 08:13 AM
Springfield Armory MIL-SPEC~! :cool:

76shuvlinoff
March 6, 2008, 08:25 AM
Different guns both are very good. Sold my XD45 because I couldn't conceal it and bought and XD40sc for that. I have a nice 1911 on the nightstand.

I realize this is no help at all because all that matters is ... What do you want from it?

If I had to choose just one.... For out and out burning up ammo at the range or for home defense I'd go for the XD45. For less worry about scuffs and nicks I'd go with the XD45.

For something slimmer that may fit your hand better 1911.
For shooting a 45 like a 45 was meant to be shot .... 1911 :evil:


sorry I had to

Zach S
March 6, 2008, 08:40 AM
If you prefer 1911s you might want to go with the mil-spec. I miss the one I traded more than I miss my colt 1991A1.

However, I prefer the 1911, and would go with the XD, since I already own several 1911s.

Monkeybear
March 6, 2008, 09:20 AM
I have the very same delima. Either a 1911 or a SA XD Tactical.

Since they are both just for fun I figured I will get both eventually but I finally decided to get the XD first. They are both very cool guns and for something that is just gonna be a range gun for me it really dose not matter. I just decided that since I have already owned a 1911, sold it, I should get an XD this time.

Some people love 1911s. For them 1911s are the end all be all perfect pistol and every 1911 problem is the result of people not building/shooting/loading/cleaning them as they were meant to be built/shot/loaded/cleaned. Nothing wrong with that, I have heard tales of very reliable 1911s that were. For those folk I say get a 1911.

For everyone else I say get a XD first. They are great guns and you don't have to join a new religion.

Caipirinha
March 6, 2008, 09:33 AM
I have a XD 45 Tactical and a SA 1911 Loaded. Here's how I would rate the criteria you listed.

Reliability - XD, but it depends on what you're going to be shooting. If you're going to be feeding it a varied diet of ammo, the XD eats everything I've fed it. If you're just going to be shooting ball, it's closer to a wash.

Accuracy - 1911 but the XD isn't bad.

Trigger - 1911. One caveat, my out of the box trigger from Springfield was too heavy and I had to send it back under warranty. It came back with a terrific trigger and they refunded my shipping. Took two weeks. It's in a different league than the XD's trigger.

Breakdown/Maintenance - XD is easier to breakdown but I don't note any big advantage between the two. 1911 requires an allen wrench, XD requires a trigger pull if either of those are an issue to you.

I prefer to shoot the 1911 but I sleep next to the XD.

Ske1etor
March 6, 2008, 10:05 AM
Reliability - A properly tuned 1911 will not fail, regardless of some peoples hopes and dreams.

Accuracy - Do I even need to comment here?

Trigger - (Refer to "Accuracy")

Breakdown/Maintenance - XD is easier, but only by a very small amount. You still have to put it back together correctly for it to work.

I would go with the 1911. Although, I would reccomend a Mil-Spec if you decide upon the 1911. It has the flared and lowered ejection port which helps with getting rid of the brass a bit more easily.

You don't really have to join a new religion when purchasing a 1911 but until you own one you cannot understand where these "Fanatics" are coming from.

The full size 1911 is easier to conceal than the XD. Just my personal opinion of course.

Cowboy2
March 6, 2008, 10:08 AM
Everyone should own at least one 1911.

foghornl
March 6, 2008, 10:13 AM
I have shot a couple of the "XD" series, and I felt that it did not 'fit' my hands properly. I shot them reasonably well, but not as well as my Springfield 1911-A1 "GI-45". Even with those tiny sights on the GI-45, I shot it better.

Zach S
March 6, 2008, 10:48 AM
1911 requires an allen wrenchOn the loaded model yes, because of the two piece FLGR. However the mil-spec has the correct guide rod and no tools are needed.

hanno
March 6, 2008, 12:09 PM
On the loaded model yes, because of the two piece FLGR. However the mil-spec has the correct guide rod and no tools are needed.

Yep and the FLGR and plug aren't difficult or expensive to replace. I did so with both my Kimber and my Dan Wesson. I don't see any advantage to the FLGR and I prefer to have my 1911s "GI disassembly" (I even replaced the hex grip screws on both pistols with slotted screws). May seem goofy to others but works for me.

Detachment Charlie
March 6, 2008, 12:33 PM
I have an XD45 Service and several 1911s -- carry & target/range guns. :D
I usually carry a 1911 (IWB). Despite the weight & size, the disappear nicely (ed. note: My new Sig 225 9mm feels really good on my belt, lighter and spooky accurate.) But, for the "bumps in the night" situations, I grab the XD -- simply more firepower.:eek:

PCRit
March 6, 2008, 02:17 PM
I replaced my SA Lwt Loaded Champion with the XD45 Compact Tactical for carry. 'Nuff said.

Mac45
March 6, 2008, 02:24 PM
Everyone should own at least one 1911.

What he said

mpmarty
March 6, 2008, 02:50 PM
The price is roughly the same. Both guns fire the same ammo (.45 ACP) through the same length barrel (5").
Not to nit pick, however the statement above is not correct. The XD you list has a four inch barrel, not the five inch of the 1911. I own an XD45 4" and two 1911s. The XD lives in my bedside table drawer as I prefer the larger magazine capacity. The 1911s go to the range with me for IPSC and other fun stuff.;)

ATAShooter
March 6, 2008, 02:54 PM
Hard choice on this one...

lee n. field
March 6, 2008, 03:05 PM
Accuracy out of the box, triggers, reliability and ease of maintenance/breakdown are important. Aftermarket parts are not as important to me.

Given that, it's a wash. Pick one, whichever one feels better in your hand. Buy it.

If you are going to tinker, 1911.

Walkalong
March 6, 2008, 03:50 PM
I voted 1911, but I am partial to them. I had an XD .45 and it was an excellent gun. I traded it because I prefer my 1911's for a .45 platform.

Marshall
March 6, 2008, 04:37 PM
One solution.

Buy the one you're gut tells you to buy today, then buy the other one next purchase. This should not be an either/or situation. ;)

hanno
March 6, 2008, 05:20 PM
Buy the one you're gut tells you to buy today, then buy the other one next purchase. This should not be an either/or situation.

That really is the only proper solution. :)

Big Boomer
March 6, 2008, 06:56 PM
If you must get the XD first then, you absolutely MUST save and get a nice 1911. I can damn near guarantee that you will carry it more often.

I bought a Colt 1911, carried that, bought a sp101 carried that, then got an XD, then bought another 1911 (high end) and now that is my primary carry and has been since Xmas.

Also to add another bit, the 1911 conceals much better than the XD, not just the gun mind you that isn't so bad but the extra mag is HUGE. Double stack mags are thick as sin.

skinewmexico
March 6, 2008, 07:47 PM
They are great guns and you don't have to join a new religion.

Oh yeah.............I'll be using that line.

Eightball
March 6, 2008, 07:52 PM
You admitted a liking for the XD. Go with what your gut wants first, and what your brain wants later--you shouldn't have to "reason" with yourself to like a firearm.

Zach S
March 7, 2008, 08:03 AM
Yep and the FLGR and plug aren't difficult or expensive to replace. I did so with both my Kimber and my Dan Wesson. I don't see any advantage to the FLGR and I prefer to have my 1911s "GI disassembly" (I even replaced the hex grip screws on both pistols with slotted screws). May seem goofy to others but works for me.I did the same with all of my Kimbers. Short guide rods, slotted screws for the grips and mag catch.

DMK
March 7, 2008, 09:49 AM
I prefer a steel framed gun to a plastic framed gun. I also like thinner guns generally.

I don't think either is a bad choice though.

Detachment Charlie
March 7, 2008, 03:44 PM
Although I explained that I grab an XD for those noises in the night, I absolutely agree that every man should own a 1911...and learn how to use it.

SAG0282
March 7, 2008, 04:09 PM
I definitely prefer the XD.

Guillermo
March 9, 2008, 01:30 AM
Yes the XD is a great pistol
Yes everyone should own at least one 1911 (altough 6 is a better number)

Buy the XD then start saving for your 1911. The reason for this is that Springfield is going to start putting a stupid safety on the XD but you will be able to buy a non lawyerized 1911 in the future.

Archer1945
March 10, 2008, 01:39 PM
Have and XD45C Tactical and just love it. Got it because most decent 1911s have gotten way to expensive. Like both and shoot both well. 1911 much easier to CCW than XD45, even in the compact version.:)

Ske1etor
March 10, 2008, 02:31 PM
Buy the XD then start saving for your 1911. The reason for this is that Springfield is going to start putting a stupid safety on the XD but you will be able to buy a non lawyerized 1911 in the future.

You can still purchase an XD with or without the thumb safety. It is 100% completely optional. "Non Lawyerized" 1911's are becoming rare. There are only a few 1911's left that don't have a series 80 safety.

bigmike45
March 10, 2008, 05:10 PM
This was a difficult decision, since I have both a 4" 1911 & a 4" XD45. The reason I chose the XD in your list is that the other listed was a low end gun. I have had one of those as well.

The XD definately offers more firepower in it's round carrying capability, though the grip is a bit larger to accomodate those extra rounds. Having the gun loaded, one in the chamber and two extra mags gives you 40 rounds. The XD weighs 30oz.empty and is extremely comfortable to shoot. It is extremely accurate with Federal 230gr. Hydrashoks.

The 4" 1911, mine is a Wilson Combat Professional weighs 36oz. empty and feels natural in my hand, but then I grew up shooting a 1911. The Professional is extremely accurate and though it only holds 8 rounds in the mag, I feel that it is adequate in most defensive situations. Having the gun loaded, one in the chamber and two extra mags gives you 25 rounds.

I have high end leather holsters for both and carry them IWB. I find myself carrying them both on an equal basis these days. Both feel about the same after 8-10hrs of carry.

john paul
March 10, 2008, 11:17 PM
got both in 4 in and love them both but gotta say the 1911 feels more like a ...gun!

strangelittleman
March 11, 2008, 10:24 AM
Both are great pistols. I personally perfer the 1911 as I am a small guy w/ small hands. I have shot both and they are great, you won't go wrong trusting either pistol.

magnumman44
March 11, 2008, 12:13 PM
Not to nit pick, however the statement above is not correct. The XD you list has a four inch barrel, not the five inch of the 1911. I own an XD45 4" and two 1911s. The XD lives in my bedside table drawer as I prefer the larger magazine capacity. The 1911s go to the range with me for IPSC and other fun stuff.

Not to nit-pick, but his question was centered around the XD45 TACTICAL, which does have the 5" barrell...I have the same pistol and wouldn't trade it for anything!

ojibweindian
March 11, 2008, 02:30 PM
Mil-Spec.

Not a big fan of double-stack 45s; the grips are too wide. Also, no other trigger beats a well-tuned 1911 trigger.

Guillermo
March 16, 2008, 03:00 PM
If Sk1etor is correct and the XD thumb safety is optional I change my opinion. I love my XD but everyone should have a 1911.

The reasons are similar as to why my daughter's first handgun was a .357 revolver. Simple, versatile, teaches disipline, shot placement and economy.

I hereby change my vote. Buy the weapons that you have to have before you buy the ones you want to have.

Markbo
March 16, 2008, 03:20 PM
I am a 1911 kind of guy. But I have no use whatever for a milspec 1911.

In my eyes it's like buying a 6 cylinder Mustang. What's the use?

Neener Neener
March 16, 2008, 10:35 PM
Buy the one that feels the best in yours hands. That is the true test.

MechAg94
March 16, 2008, 10:53 PM
The XD grip safety is not optional. What will be optional is the thumb safety they are adding.

I have an XD Tactical and used to have a mil-spec 1911.

The XD has a higher capacity and IMO superior reliability. However, I would buy the standard model XD if doing so again. The extra length barrel is somewhat limiting IMO unless you just want a big pistol. I thought I heard the longer barrel smooths the recoil, but I don't know.

The 1911 mil-spec is a great gun and fun to shoot, but it won't be as reliable without seeing what ammo works best and being careful. I have no doubt that many 1911's out there have great accuracy and reliability, but mil-spec is a low end budget 1911. I am sure you can find ammo and such to make it reliable for you, but IMO, the XD is much more forgiving in that department.

I sold my mil-spec last year. I think I will get another 1911 in the future, but it will be a higher end model if at all possible.

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