[mike101]

I am thinking about breaking down and buying one of those Eyetalian Remmies.

Which one do you guys like the best as far as overall quality, Uberti (w/forged frame), Pietta, or Euroarms?

[sundance44s]

They are all good in there own way ..Uberti being the top of the cake ..( thats my experience anyway ) But if you have small hands the EuroArms Remington will be your best fit ..the Pietta has the largest grip frame , the Uberti is just a tad smaller , and the Euro is the smallest ..It would be nice if you could put them all in hand and see and feel the difference ..But I don`t know of any gun shop that would carry one of each make ..I gave a friend this advice and sent him to a store that carries the Uberti and Pietta Remington ..I told him to have the sales person place each one in front of him ...and he would end up buying the Uberti ...He did and is a proud owner of a Uberti Remington .

[Perk]

Have two Pietta ‘58s: One in standard and one in the Target model. The Target model came to me unfired, in the box and with fairly smooth internals. Have come to find that this particular revolver was made, in 1992 .

Just, recently, came into possession of a new ’58 Standard model. This one needed some work, in order to get rid of trigger creep and generally make the proper noises.

Believe the Target model might already have been worked on a bit, by the previous owner.

Haven’t fired the Standard model, yet. But, have no real complaints about either revolver, as this is being written.

Wouldn’t have any problem buying another Pietta.

[ArmedBear]

My Uberti Millenium 1858 came with EXCELLENT trigger and internals, right out of the box. I shot it again the other day and was impressed all over again.

[Im283]

My '58 is a Pietta purchased from EMF. Steel framed. Fits my hands nice and was very smooth in the action of the pistol. Mine is a 5.5 in bbl.
I think it looked great and felt great the first time I picked it up.

I don't know about Uberti's. Never held one. But I would like to see one and find out if they are so much better than Piettas like lot of people claim. If so then it is a no brainer to get the Uberti as the dang Pietta is a very nice gun. My favorite of the three c and b revolvers I have.

[timothy75]

I love my uberti and it shot to the sights right out of the box.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74335&stc=1&d=1204932004

[J.T. Gerrity]

If you want a pistol that is "more correct", then get the Uberti. The Piettas, while undeniably nice revolvers, are actually somewhat oversized as compared to the originals; in addition, Pietta has this really, really nasty habit of stamping all kinds of stuff ("Made in Italy", "black powder only", etc., etc.) all over their guns in very prominent locations. Uberti, on the other hand, in addition to being just a bit better made, is closer in size and configuration to the originals, and they hide all of their information under the loading lever.

Minor points, perhaps, but important to some...

[Timthinker]

I would like to point out that there are some very high quality "Eyetalian" revolvers that are truly world class. Pedersoli makes a target Remington revolver that has performed well in international matches. But expect to pay top dollars for it. I believe there is an expensive Pietta target revolver available also. As others have commented, Pietta has improved its quality in recent years. Think about the quality factor before purchasing your "smokepole".


Timthinker

[Shawnee]

Hi Timthinker...

You've mentioned the "target" model of the 1858 several times but I haven't seen any such guns for sale anywhere. Got any links to places that usually carry them ?

:):confused:

[Perk]

While you're waiting for Tim :D , here's a link to the Cabela's site, wherein lies their 1858 Pietta Target Model offering.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006195210083a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=1858+remington+target&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=1858+remington+target&noImage=0

[oldelm]

Shawne,...The Remingtons are my favorite of the replicas, and I love to shoot them. Dixie is the only distributor for the Pietta "Shooters" Remington which falls into the same category as the Pedersoli and the Hege Remington from Germany.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=4098

I picked one up from them a few years back, when they had them on sale. Here's the one I got....

http://img.inkfrog.com/click_enlarge1.php?image=Image02a.jpg&username=foxlbe

They're great shooters, very accurate with the progressive rifling, and Pietta gives them a better fit & finish with a superb bluing job. Also, the top of the barrel on mine has the exact Remington & Sons, Ilion, New York stamping as the originals.

Euroarms also makes an accurate shooting "sport" model .44 Remington NMA which has a fast twist rifled barrel by Lothar Walther

http://www.euroarms.net/Avancarica/AVHTM/RM441.htm

...... but unfortunately this particular model is not imported into the USA.

[mike101]

"Pedersoli makes a target Remington revolver that has performed well in international matches. But expect to pay top dollars for it."

The last time I saw a price on the Pedersoli, it was something like $900. I think I might just wait for the USFA for that kind of money.

What about parts reliability? Is everybody about the same these days?

[Timthinker]

Shawnee, Oldelm beat me to the draw. Dixie Gun Works offered a target version of the Pietta for over $600 not long ago. In addition, you can visit the Pedersoli website to view their target Remington. But I am certain prices are increasing due to the weakness of the dollar compared to the Euro. I hope this helps. Also, Pedersoli makes a superb version of the Rogers & Spencer revolver. But Pedersoli "ain't cheap". All the guns I have mentioned are excellent and may rival the USFA 1858 Remington which is also very expensive.


Timthinker

[deanodog]

I have a pietta 1858 target model with less than 50 rounds of 20 grains of pyrodex through it for sale. I tried to show a picture but photomax will not load. I would take 125.00 plus 15.00 shipping. I will show a picture to email address.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/deanodog/revolvers/black%20powder/000_0215.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/deanodog/revolvers/black%20powder/000_0214.jpg

[Shawnee]

WOW ! I missed it [U]at Cabela's [/U :what: :eek: :banghead:

Lawdy - I gotta get off those Jose Quervo breakfasts !! :eek:

[flibuste]

In addition, there is a big difference between Pietta and Uberti regarding the barrel rifling twist rate and that will make the difference if shooting conicals.

Pietta and most others (apart if going to high prices Lothar Walter or Feinwerkbau guns) has kept the slow barrel twist and conicals are not stabilized; but recent Uberti have a fast twist barrel and heavy bullet (250gr) are accurate : a conversion for 45colt will be more efficient in a Uberti than in a Pietta......

Have fun

[DavidB2]

I am interested in purchasing a 1858 New Army Police .36 Caliber Revolver. I have seen these for $199.99 and $207.00 at S&S Firearms. Does anyone have any experience with these revolvers? Will the shorter 6.5 inch barrel affect accuracy in any signficant way? Would 30 grains be too much of an overload for this revolver? I have both a 2nd Model Dragoon and an 1860 Colt Army (both in .44 caliber) and am wanting something in .36 caliber.

[Perk]

Shawnee -

Tsk... :scrutiny:

Stick with Jack Daniels, like I do.

[Im283]

'58 Remmy by Pietta from EMF

[bigbadgun]

David
I have the revolver you are talking about I got mine at a gun show NIB for $100 shoots all day long with 20 grain load and a .375 ball over wonder wad shoots good cant complain mine is by Pietta damn fine gun fit and finish is outstanding and lock up is the same.

[DavidB2]

Thanks for the responses. I definitely am going to get this revolver. Probably from Cabelas or Dixie Gunworks.

[mike101]

Thanks guys. I'll probably go with an Uberti. I had an Uberti 1860 Army about 25 years ago. Has parts reliability improved, or are those damned cylinder bolts still breaking all the time?

[RobertFBurnett]

Hello all, this thread caught my eye as I was thinkin of making a 58 Remington my first black powder firearm. Especially after I saw a documentary on Civil War Colts and Remingtons and the Rem just seems like a great revolver.

So mike101 (or anyone else that would like to jump in), what made you go with the Eyetalian Remington vs. an Eyetalian Colt?

Thank you all,

RFB

[Timthinker]

RFB, while you are awaiting a response from Mike, let me tell you why I prefer the Remington. Accuracy, first and foremost. Colt caplock revolver have terrible sights unless they are modified with good front and rear ones. The sights on a standard Remington replica are better, and the adjustable sights on other Remingtons improve the situation even more. In addition, the Remington has a solid frame so you need not worry about the key wedge working itself loose over time. All things considered the solid frame Remington is a better design. After all, do modern cartridge revolvers have an open top or solid frame? I hope this helps.


Timthinker

[mike101]

RFB, I've had a few Eyetalian Colts, but it's been a while. I always wanted a Remmie, but never got around to it.

The Remmie is a better design, but I think the Colts are prettier. The Remmie is also very easy to make a 1868 S & W/ Remington Army (or navy) conversion out of, which I've been wanting to do.

So, I like them both. It's just time for a Remmie.

[Im283]

If I was forced to only have only one it would be the Remington.

It is a better design with the top strap and the way the cylinder comes out. The thing feels more solid to me.

Mine seems to get less dirty than the Colt does as well. I think it is due to the angle of the caps on the '58 cylinder. And the fact that every time a cylinder comes out the gun gets wiped down. I get no binding or gunking up issues like the Colt does.

I use a loading stand because the cylinder is so easy to remove. Reloading takes about half the time and is just easier for me to do. But it is workable enough to load using the loading lever.

The big thing is not messing with the wedge on the Colt

[razorback1010]

I shoot a Pietta "Shooter's model", with progressive rifling (just like the original Rem), it's thrice the price of the basic model or twice the price of the Uberti, but the finish is really sweet and the precision awesome. My Ubertis (Walker, Remington, 1862, Whitneyville Dragoon, Dragoon, SAA 45 LC) are for the fun, the Pietta for championships only

[Calibre44]

Here's me shooting a Target Remmie with a nice shower of sparks - wonderful gun!:)

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/woodsy_2008/Guns/bisleyfeb05004.jpg

[JBB]

The Uberti gets my vote. I have a '58 Remmie and it has been a terrific gun. Probably the best shooting gun I own.