Dept. of Homeland Security REAL ID


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Buttermilk
March 7, 2008, 03:15 PM
While we have been watching the political wranglings of both parties, the Dept. of Homeland Security has been slowly turning the screws on each of our states to comply with their REAL ID-compliant drivers license program. Quoting from todays' issue of The Patriot Post,"According to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, any state that has not sought a compliance extension by the end of March will see their residents subject to additional screening at airports." That is an outright threat to illegal hassles by a government agency.

As an officer, I am very well aware of the NCIC (National Crime Information Center),established 1967, that all of us officers use when we run checks on persons we have stopped. The NCIC has been in use for many years and is generally a very swift gathering of information for an officer in the field. We are talking seconds here folks!

Also, several years ago, all officers were required to attend a course that made us aware of the fact that there were certain abuses of the public citizens privacy that could be done and the harsh circumstances that could befall an officer found guilty of abuses of this system. And it has been enforced with offending officers suffering termination and other legal recourse.
Further, each state has its' own Crime Information Center for information only in their state.

When Googled, the NCIC front page states this,"NCIC is a computerized index of criminal justice information (i.e.- criminal record history information, fugitives, stolen properties, missing persons). It is available To Federal, state, and local law enforcement and other criminal justice agencies and is operational 24 hours a day, 365 days a year."

REAL ID is another attempt to gather all information on a private citizen, into a Federal agency, under the guise of national security. This is completely redundant and unnecessary and another intrusion into our private lives! All that information is already out there and what this boils down to is another agency wanting more power over our lives and privacy. We are talking millions and millions of dollars to start a new program that is already out there. Unnecessary waste and further invasion of the government into our lives.
This is a further sign of the lack of cooperation by already existing federal agencies already under the roof of Homeland Security.

To further quote from the Patriot Post,"Forty six states have requested a compliance extension, while four states-Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, and South Carolina-have not." GOD BLESS THOSE STATES!!

This is the time to call or write your Senators and Congressmen at both the state and federal levels. Put some fire under their feet and some steel in their backbone and strenghthen their resolve to stop this unnecessary waste.

This program can be stopped!!!!!!

Please view the PatriotPost.us at http://patriotpost.us/ and then click on Homeland Security front: REAL hassles

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drphil
March 7, 2008, 03:30 PM
I do not think the REAL ID is about criminal records because you are correct, that information is already available. The REAL ID is about keeping track of people who have not committed a crime but who are "likely" to commit a crime. Nonetheless, I will write a few letters.

After speaking with a many people about this, I am amazed at how little people care about this or are even in support of this. Like I said in a different post, I am willing to bet a REAL ID will be required to purchase a firearm and the states that do not comply will not be able to run a NICS check.

Blackfork
March 7, 2008, 03:51 PM
I'd like for citizens to be able to access the current system. I can't think of a reason to restrict it to government. Are there crimes or criminal records which are private? Shouldn't all this info be in the public arena? Seems like you could check it from the web.

siglite
March 7, 2008, 03:52 PM
Like I said in a different post, I am willing to bet a REAL ID will be required to purchase a firearm and the states that do not comply will not be able to run a NICS check.

I expect this as well. Real ID is a travesty. But it sure has its vocal advocates. I've heard many die-hard gun-owners advocating for it, which is a little baffling to me, since the 2nd is all about the defense of self and liberty. Seems like any liberty infringement on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th is ok as long as you say the word "terror." It's the magic word.

brighamr
March 7, 2008, 04:18 PM
Here in MT, the local news stations are reporting "extra screening will be required, meaning if you don't use a US passport expect to wait longer in the lines at the airport", not verbatim but that's what I get from the news excerpts. Our Gov has clearly stated we will not comply, and he has ordered law enforcement to leave the issue alone.

Personally i have a passport. that's good enough for me, and it should be good enough for the feds. I'm very proud that this state isn't buckling like the rest of the country.

Nobody's_Hero
March 8, 2008, 08:10 PM
www.no2realid.org

drphil
March 9, 2008, 01:44 AM
brighamr, I have heard your Governor on talk radio stating his case against the REAL ID. Each time I hear him it makes me want to pack up my stuff and move to MT.

siglite, I think many gun owners are so wrapped up in the war on terror that they don’t realize once the foreign terrorists are subdued, gun owners will be the new target. For an example, Lars Larson (a huge 2A advocate) is one of the REAL ID acts biggest conservative supporters. He really gave a grilling to Gov. Schweitzer when he was on to discuss his and MT's opposition to the REAL ID act.

siglite
March 9, 2008, 04:17 AM
siglite, I think many gun owners are so wrapped up in the war on terror that they don’t realize once the foreign terrorists are subdued, gun owners will be the new target.

I agree. Well, sort of. My tinfoil hat's not on tight enough to say this will be the case. Though, it's possible. It might be the case. It might even be likely. But the doors are open for those kinds of abuses, aren't they? Just run any conservative article talking about tools to fight the GWOT through a sed filter. Replace the word "terrorist" or "insurgent" with "gun owner." I've done it, just to see the results. Kind of chilling.

Hell, run the Military Commissions Act through the same sed filter and just replace "combatant" with "gun owner."

*tightening the tinfoil hat*

Pat-inCO
March 9, 2008, 12:02 PM
I believe this is something to be watched but with 19 states having already passes legislation rejecting the concept, 15 more with pending legislation and 4 states that flat out rejected it, it seems about dead. When 38 of 50 states say "NO WAY" this, it should die quickly.

Once again, WATCH this, but I don't think we need our collective knickers in a knot. ;)

GunTech
March 9, 2008, 12:09 PM
Chertoff (DHS) has suggested that REAL ID may be required in order to purchase firearms, which means that FFLs in states that don't comply with REAL ID will not be allowed to see to anyone that doesn't have some REAL ID compliant ID like a US passport.

Montana is not only not in compliance, but has not plans to do so. Our governor basically told the feds to kiss his rosy red a**.

Here's Schweitzer (our governor) talking about REAL ID.

For a Democrat, he does pretty good.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87991791

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