Fed. 9mm 124gr. +P EFMJ

[Detachment Charlie]

Why did Federal stop marketing these? They do have a 105 gr. +P EFMJ round, but the 124 gr. +P seems to have fallen off the charts for current production.
Were there problems with this load? Was it an answer to a non-existant question? Or, has EFMJ ammo gone out of fashion?
The only reason I ask is that I just bought a bunch of these for my carry Sig & BHP.
Any answers? Speculation? Or, really creepy conspiracy theories (I like these best)?:neener:

[NG VI]

My speculation is that the EFMJ rounds are longer than comparable entirely lead-cored rounds, because of the low-density rubber front core. at least that's what I've picked up from all the discussion about it.

[eldon519]

A gun rag not too long ago had an article about the military adopting this round. I can dig it up later for details. Maybe they can not produce enough to meet military contracts and consumer demand.

[NG VI]

Really? That would be awesome, I wonder how well it works with the Geneva Convention we didn't sign?


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[Steve C]

You can find the 124gr EMFJ +P as police surplus but its more expensive than the surplus JHP's, Federal markets the 105gr to civilians as "personal protection" ammo.

[golden]

Mas AYOOB had an article in GUNS magazine that stated the U.S. military was adopting this round. However, they want a change in the basic design to make it more "HUMANE". I am not kidding!

If they have to redesign the bullet for a HUGE military contract, they will most likely drop the old design until they can bring out the new one.

Jim

[eldon519]

Yeah, as I recall they had to add some kind of metal particulate (barium?) to the rubbery nose filling so that it would show up in X-rays during surgery and could be retrieved.

[GuidoTorpedo]

I believe it was the Hague Accord, not the Geneva Convention that prohibited the use of "wounding" ammunition.

[Steve C]

The 124gr EFMJ +P Federal ammo that was being sold in boxes of 50 was/is LE over run ammo. Their civilian "personal defense" version has a lighter bullet and comes packaged in boxes of 20.

The 124gr EMFJ+P is still listed as LE ammo on the Law Enforcement website/ (http://www.le.atk.com/).

[NG VI]

I believe it was the Hague Accord, not the Geneva Convention that prohibited the use of "wounding" ammunition.

My mistake! Other than mixing the two up, was I right that we did not sign the Hague Accord and that we mostly follow it's guidelines in the hopes that everyone else will as well?

So after adding metallic particles to the rubber for retrieval reasons, would our units be able to carry the round? It would certainly be an improvement over regular FMJ, and despite the fact that some people would still cry about the horrors of our military and it's awful death machines (same people cry for our enemies anyway, how they are eliminated makes no real difference), I am certain it would make our troops more effective in close combat and so improve their survivability.

[45ACPUSER]

This ammo is not over run it is regular production ammo www.streichers.com
has it in LE version http://streichers.com/ProductDetail.aspx?Catalog=Guns%20and%20Ammo&Category=AMMO_DHAND&Prod=FC-9EX1

Federal Ammo spec

Federal Load No./ Factory Primer No./ Caliber/ Bullet Weight Grains
P9CSP1/ 200/ 9mm Luger (9x19mm Parabellum) +P 124 gr EFMJ