Finally Bought a Springfield M1 Garand


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Geno
March 8, 2008, 09:18 PM
Well after much delay, I finally got around to getting an Springfield M1 Garand. The serial number is 704XXX, and as such it appears to have been manufactured in 1942. I seem to recall reading somewhere that it was re-barreled in about 1956 (I think). All of the parts are Springfield except the barrel. I believe the barrel is a Baretta? I think. Sorry all, I am very new to the Garand and thus am still learning. The only markings on the stock are as follows: on the pistol grip the letter “P” inside of a circle. One the left side of the stock (to the left of the receiver) is a square, and inside of the square are two rows of letters: the top row of letters are “SA”. The bottom row of letters is “EMF”.

The previous owner is a retired military man, and an avid collector. He is in the process of getting rid of some of his personal collection. This rifle was part of that personal collection. I asked him which was the best Garand that he had brought to the gun show. He showed me all three Garands that he had brought today, and said, “Here’s the one you want. This is one heck of a price!”

The barrel’s bore is as-shiny as a new dime! It was asserted that the rifle had not been used since being re-barreled. It was merely a collection piece. When I asked about the barrel's wear, the gentleman responded, "What wear?! It's still a brand new barrel. Wait here." He went to get the gauges. I don't recall the indicator for the chambering, but the muzzle gauge wouldn't even sink down to the "0".

So, here are some pictures. Please feel free to share any information, any advice, etc that you all have regarding this rifle, the Garands in general, good websites that I should read, etc. Thank-you all in advance.

Doc2005

Pictures follow:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0879.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0886.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0875.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0873.jpg

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nathan
March 8, 2008, 09:22 PM
Congrats!!

Chilean
March 8, 2008, 09:35 PM
Nice gun Doc!!!!

I really want to get my hands on one....

nathan
March 8, 2008, 09:44 PM
The muzzle crown appear unfired. COngrats again for a great rifle. So much history in these Garands tell ya.

Geno
March 8, 2008, 09:59 PM
Thanks all.

Yes, the former owner said other than proof-firing, it has remained unfired all these years. The gauge would not even sink down to the first line with a "0" on it.

The wood is so beautiful. I really feel honored to have been offered the best from his personal collection.

nathan
March 8, 2008, 10:02 PM
Great to have it mounted on the wall of the living room . SUch a pristine piece.

yokel
March 8, 2008, 10:08 PM
The huge disadvantage to these guns is that they're obsolete relics of a bygone era.;)

Geno
March 8, 2008, 10:27 PM
So true. It is a relic. And she is a beautiful relic.

The Garands are also history. They rendered our boys in uniform victorious in WWII.

I am not sure that I will fire it. I bought a good amount of ammunition...all non-corrosive for the eventuality that I do fire it.

I bought this Garand from a WWII vet...from his personal collection. It is the Garand that a vet chose for me. That's pretty cool.

If I need mega-power, I still have my DMPS AP4 in 7.62 with custom shop steel upper receiver. But is doesn't have history, and it doesn't evoke any emotion and sentiment.

From your words, I think you agree. Thanks. :)

Doc2005

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/DPMS1.jpg

sublimaze41
March 8, 2008, 10:29 PM
Mind sharing how you paid for the Garand? Nice piece!!!!

alamo
March 8, 2008, 10:40 PM
The huge disadvantage to these guns is that they're obsolete relics of a bygone era

Huge disadvantage? To who? For what? Funny, I don't feel hugely disadvantaged for owning one.

Geno
March 8, 2008, 10:55 PM
Exactly $1,000.00 out the door.

yokel
March 8, 2008, 11:12 PM
Alamo,

Be at ease, that remark was merely a toungue-in-cheek allusion to an earlier thread here.

For serious situations like defending the homestead, the M1 represents a formidable rifle in the hands of an experienced firer.

Neo-Luddite
March 8, 2008, 11:37 PM
It is a devastating weapon. Shoot it. In fact, shoot the hell out of it.

In 100 years it will likely still be a functional weapon if provided with some minimal care and parts replacement. As I'm fond of saying, a cherry m-1 is like a cherry 62 corvette---one that you can take out on a dirt track and race hard every weekend and never worry about damaging it or diminishing its worth.

Well done and congrats.

yokel
March 8, 2008, 11:59 PM
Yes, very well done indeed!

jpwilly
March 9, 2008, 12:09 AM
yoke, I'm glad you spoke up insulting an M1 is like kicking a mans dog.

Anyway, as Bugs Bunny would say, NICE M1 Doc!

I was fortuante enough to luck upon one I could live with as well!

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/M1SIDE.jpg

Gator
March 9, 2008, 12:48 AM
Very, very nice! It looks like a real beauty.

Geno
March 9, 2008, 01:00 AM
Thanks again, all.

I agree. I think I should shoot it. After all, it did see combat, so much so the barrel had to be replaced. It's not like it's a never-fired-before, all-original, still-in-the-waxpaper Garand. Sure, she's a beaut, but she isn't untested.

Thanks for getting my head on straight there guys. To the range! To the range! This calls for a trip to the family farm. I need to stretch it's legs at distance. :)

critter
March 9, 2008, 01:29 PM
DROOOOOLLL! (That is all!)

GarandOwner
March 9, 2008, 02:09 PM
Lock-bar sights, nice. If you open the bolt, on the right side of the barrel (where the operating rod handle covers) it should say the date of the barrel and the barrel manufacture. It is interesting and fun to learn what parts came from where.....just hope you dont catch the collecting bug. When I got my first Garand I didnt care that the parts were mixed.......then a "friend" gave me a copy of Joe Poyers' M1 Garand book which has a breakdown of all the parts codes and such.....then it seemed "fun" to see if I could make it all correct, which lead to seeing about my M1 carbine...which led to seeing about my 03A3.....which led.....

johnnyonthespot
March 9, 2008, 02:36 PM
here is my "new" (former CMP rifle) 1955 5.8xx-xxx springfield... like yours, the barrel on mine is almost unused... its a SA 1955 barrel as well and i was told it is original. metal seems 99% to me. no rebuild marks. couldnt be happier.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74237&d=1204812896

anybody know where i could "run the numbers" from my barrel, trigger assembly, receiver/bolt???


I need to know how to find out more about my garand...

???

johnnyonthespot
March 9, 2008, 02:50 PM
u can see the original park is all nice and intact...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74238&d=1204813238

only thing is.. the bolt and trigger assembly are both HRA...

anybody know if this could have been where hra and springfield were swapping parts on late garands??? is that possible?

how do you find out if factory OR after-factory part swapping has taken place on your garand????

Geno
March 9, 2008, 05:13 PM
I took "Emma" to the range and shot three targets. I fired 8 rounds into each target. Each target was fired at 50 yards, off of a bench rest but without any sandbags, and without a sling. I was able to prop the front of the rifle on a block of wood. :) I allowed about 1 minute cooling time between each string.

My point? I suspect that this rifle is much more accurate than I am. I did want to test-fire it at 100 yards. But, I am flat-out addicted to using a sling to support my shots. To fire this rifle at 100 yards without a sling, and without sandbags would have been a waste of good ammunition. Later this week I'll try it with proper supports, and perhaps with some hand-loaded ammunition. Also, I think I'll take some home printed targets. These were extremely difficult for me to see.

All in all, I'm not merely happy with the groups, I am floored! I never expected this degree of accuracy. Edit to add: When I arrived to and went to clean the barrel, I noted that the bore is so smooth, there is zero copper residue. Hey, what an awesome sound when the clip pings out of the rifle!

First 8 shots at 50 yards:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0893.jpg

Second 8 shots yards:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0894.jpg

Third 8 shots yards:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/IMGP0895.jpg

johnnyonthespot
March 9, 2008, 05:29 PM
what kinda ammo doc?

Geno
March 9, 2008, 05:39 PM
The bandolier looks like it says: "HXP - 4070 - 78". The cartridge heads say: "HXP 78".

johnnyonthespot
March 9, 2008, 05:52 PM
i believe that means greek surplus: "hxp"... supposed to b some really good ammo...

i just bought some...

CypherNinja
March 9, 2008, 10:48 PM
Everything I've heard about that ammo is that the Greeks like to load a bit hotter than we do here. :D

Not that it's unsafe, totally Garand friendly. The muzzle blast is just slightly more impressive. ;)

I have a case of it in my safe. :D

MarshallDodge
March 9, 2008, 11:56 PM
Very nice Doc. I bought one years ago, it sits in the safe and the LR-308 gets out more but that's only because I tend to enjoy shooting stuff that is more accurate.

This year I am going to try and shoot more of my military stuff including the 03-A3's.

nathan
March 10, 2008, 12:07 AM
Wow Doc, that is some groups right there. Great rifle and nice find!

Geno
March 10, 2008, 07:26 AM
Thanks. It's amazing how mild the recoil is on the M1.

P-32
March 10, 2008, 10:28 AM
Nice find there Doc. Now you have to find a John C. Garand match and have some fun. The JCG matches are a real hoot.

When the rifle was rebuilt they did mix and match parts.

I have a CMP M-1 in simular condidtion....I placed in the middle 170's out of 1300 shooters shooting the National John C. Garand match last year with mine.

johnnyonthespot
March 10, 2008, 10:33 AM
so they only mixed parts on the REBUILD? and never on the original build?

Sans Authoritas
March 10, 2008, 10:59 AM
HXP is Greek. Best surplus you can get at this time. Nice find!

-Sans Authoritas

30Cal
March 10, 2008, 02:28 PM
so they only mixed parts on the REBUILD? and never on the original build?

During production, by and large, there was no mixing of parts. Soldiers may have mixed them though and it was widespread during the various overhaul programs.

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