Best 10mm 1911?


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gbran
March 9, 2008, 01:51 AM
I've decided I'm going to buy a 1911 in 10mm. I'm not looking for a custom gun. I'd like input on the most reliable out of the box factory gun.

I'll use it for winter ccw, year-round SD and as a mountain gun for SD against 4 legged creatures, black bear being the largest. I currently carry a very big big bore revolver and feel the 10mm would be sufficient for this chore in a smaller package.

I thought about juicing up my 1911 with a 460 Rowland kit, but think the 10mm makes more sense. I also have Glocks, but I really want the 10mm in a 1911.

Am looking for testimonials......... good and bad.

Thanks.

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TAB
March 9, 2008, 01:56 AM
I own 3 Colt delta elites... Never had a prob with them that was not user error.

gbran
March 9, 2008, 03:00 AM
I have a Series 80 that has been rock solid, but to get a Delta Elite, I'd have to buy used.

Pat-inCO
March 9, 2008, 03:50 AM
I'll echo the Delta Elite, but I like the old version with the bushing.

Another good one is the 5" Kimber Stainless Target-II

And the CZ-USA (Dan Wesson) CBOB (4.25" Commander) has been getting good reviews. I'd like to get my hands on one of these. :D

TAB
March 9, 2008, 07:03 AM
you can find Deltas for sale NIB all the time... that or they are like NIB...

12-34hom
March 9, 2008, 07:32 AM
Dan Wesson or Fusion firearms.

12-34hom.

LeonCarr
March 9, 2008, 07:42 AM
Glock 20...oops sorry wrong thread :).

LeonCarr

Peter M. Eick
March 9, 2008, 10:27 AM
Dan Wesson RZ 10mm's are the best currently I think.

I went for a custom Les Baer 10mm prior to the DW though.

jfh
March 9, 2008, 10:36 AM
I know it's not popular to be pleased with a Kimber, but I am with my ST II 10-mm. Shoots 2" groups at fifty yards with the right ammo.

As a possible segue to the 1911 but in 10mm--one can also consider the EAA 10mms--I just bought an Elite Match.

You can read about both of them here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=331213).

The next 10 might well be a Dan Wesson, however.

Jim H.

WoofersInc
March 9, 2008, 02:09 PM
Recently bought a Kimber Eclips in 10mm. So far has run great. As for the Delta Elite, It's back. Colt is bringing it back on line. They had some at the recent Shot Show. Or hold out for a little while and get the origional, since the Bren Ten is also being re-introduced. If you like the 10 now is a good time as more companies are starting to build them

gbran
March 9, 2008, 02:17 PM
I may hold out a while if Colt is on the verge of producing a 10mm. They certainly know how to build a 10mm 1911.

MachIVshooter
March 9, 2008, 03:05 PM
I only have one 10mm 1911, and I'm quite fond of my Kimber Stainles Target II. I added a 22# spring and red shock buff to enable the use of full loads and it has proven reliable with everything except the original Norma 170 gr. loads; the sharp truncatred cone shape of the bullets has caused feeding issues in the Kimber, Witness Limited and 1006. Only my Witness Compact eats the Norma's reliably.

That said, I'm of the opionion that if you're gonna shoot mostly full house loads, the Witness is a sturdier platform. I'd also rather batter a $400 Witness than a $1000 1911.

I really don't thinkk you can go wrong, though. Despite rumors, everyone I've known who has experience with the Delta has had no problems. The DW 10mm's seem to have happy owners, and I've never heard of a Kimber ST II or Eclipse 10mm breaking.

Zoogster
March 9, 2008, 04:02 PM
I don't know what methods you are planning to use to have a lot of variety, but the only 4 autoloaders in 10mm on the CA approved list are:
Glocks 20, 29 and Kimbers Stainless Target 10mm II, and Eclipse Custom II.

Obviously the kimbers are the only 1911 design.

With the requirements CA has introduced, there is not many that could even qualify to be added to the list which exist. In fact those on the list don't even qualify, and if thier extortion fees were not paid and they fell off they would not qualify to get back on.

They have to have both a load indicator and a mag disconnect. Both don't have a mag disconnect, which is a good thing as it is a liability that could cause your firearm not to fire in a defensive situation if your mag is loose, mag release gets pressed, or the magazine on a carry gun was not seated tightly, or the extra unnecessary addition to the chain of mechanical things that need to go right to fire the gun fails due to wear etc However it means they wouldn't qualify.

So perhaps you are planning some other way to get them, but I thought I would share that you really only have 2 Kimbers to choose from on the approved list which are 10mm 1911's.

You can also of course purchase a firearm not sold as a 10mm and convert it.

Then there is other ways, which are more costly and difficult.


The 1911 design is nice, the quality and craftsmanship of a 1911 is obviously greater than that of a Glock, but one thing is overlooked: The higher grip angle on the Glocks make shooting the 10mm easier than in a 1911 because the round has less leverage in its recoil. The bore on a 1911 is well above the shooters hand on the 1911, and that increases felt recoil. The bore axis on a Glock is almost directly above the web of a shooters hand.
That means there is much less muzzle flip on a Glock, making rapidfire shots easier to do accurately. For CCW the light weight of something like a G29 is definately a plus too, and it is much smaller than any other 10mm auto out there.

So you will be more proud of the 1911, but you will probably be a better rapidfire shot with the Glock using high recoiling rounds.

The Kimber and many 1911 designs will also have reduced capacity over the Glocks. The Kimber Stainless Target II in 10mm for example is 8+1, while even the small Glock 29 is 10+1(and can also use the 15+1 capacity glock 20 magazines, or any magazine that fits a glock 20 but will extend past the grip) . The Glock 20 as a full size pistol has a 15+1 capacity in 10mm with standard magazines, giving it close to double the capacity of most 1911 10mms, nevermind the Kimbers on the approved list.
There is few doublestack 10mm 1911's, and you usualy have to do one custom. Those that are doublestack are designed around the fatter .45ACP and are wider than necessary to doublestack the 10mm, meaning the grip is wider than needed.

So if you are giving up a full bore powerful revolver with 5 or 6 shots for an auto that might be a consideration.

gbran
March 9, 2008, 05:01 PM
The other issue is the CA microstamping issue. i won't have a micro stamper and I doubt any mfgr's have or will offer new guns soon if this is the requirement.

Also, since I'm in CA, I'm stuck with 10 round mags anyway.

I may have to look to a private transfer for a Delta Elite. If all else fails, I probably would look to the G20, but I really want the 10mm in a 1911.

NWdude83
March 9, 2008, 05:52 PM
Under a grand: Dan Wesson, Kimber Stainless Target II

Little over a grand: Kimber Eclipse Custom II


Not really familiar with Fusion.

Hunter0924
March 9, 2008, 07:27 PM
Another vote for the Colt Delta Elite.

Rem.222
March 10, 2008, 03:06 AM
DW RZ10 :cool:

MarcusWendt
March 10, 2008, 12:30 PM
I don't know what methods you are planning to use to have a lot of variety, but the only 4 autoloaders in 10mm on the CA approved list are:
Glocks 20, 29 and Kimbers Stainless Target 10mm II, and Eclipse Custom II.

WOW!!! Dan Wesson was on there only a few months ago. Very Sad.

Ohen Cepel
March 10, 2008, 12:38 PM
My Kimber Eclipse Custom II has served me well thus far, haven't really wrung it out though. Very accurate and the fit and finish is great.

mnw42
March 10, 2008, 06:07 PM
Colt announced a new Delta Elite at the Shot Show. I'd certainly give that a look, especially if you like a bull barrel.

1911Luvr
April 17, 2008, 06:09 PM
I bought a Delta Elite when they were first available and liked it very much. Eventually I added a Delta Gold Cup Stainless, but after many rounds through both I decided to have a race pistol built on a Para frame in 10 mm.

I had worked up a load based on a very early Accurate Arms guide using AA#7 with 180 gr, JHP. This chronographed 1330 from the Delta Elite on my 33P, so hotter than you would shoot normally. I found the following:

Delta Elite: Use gloves or the web of your hand will be very sore. Change the recoil spring system. The original system uses a plastic guide rod with a this metal washer on top and dual springs. After a while the ears on the guide rod will be damaged and come off, jamming the gun. I used a standard 22# spring and guide rod, then eventually went to full length guide rod. Use Shok Buffs! I haven't looked at the new Colts, but hope they have fitted the grip safety properly so that you don't wind up with the cuts in the web. I did add a match bushing very early, had no other part failures with several thousand rounds of very hot ammo.

Delta Gold Cup: Pretty much the same comments, but the front sight is larger and staked in place, with heavy loads you will be in the middle of a string and have a very odd sight picture when the front sight departs. With the stainless gun it was an easy fix to silver solder a new front sight in place.

I let the guns go when I build the para race gun. After some time of not being very competitive in IPSIC, I let it go also. A few months ago I decided to get another 10mm. I looked at the used Delta Elites (most aren't shot much due to their being uncomfortable to shoot, causing damage to your hand with hot loads), and finally chose the Kimber Eclipse Custom II. I added Shok Buffs, and changed powders, dropping the loads to about 1280 FPS for the 180 gr, bullet and have been very pleased with the results. I think the Kimber likes the heavy loading, as it has been totally reliable. Also no damage to the web of my hand. I did look at the Glock, but having shot 1911s for 35 years, it doesn't point right for me. If I can find a Kimber Eclipse in .45, I will probably add one to the "keepers".

Now if someone will come out with a 9mm cartridge based on the full length 10mm case, I would be really happy.

BW

jgo296
April 17, 2008, 06:19 PM
all things considered any might be about the same because you probably be modifying springs at least if you are going to be carrying the hot stuff
which id recommend for bear

Wayne G.
April 17, 2008, 06:28 PM
SHWEET Colt Delta Elite for sale here:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=352262

matt33
April 17, 2008, 11:13 PM
Personally, I'm holding out for the new Colt Delta Elite due later this year.

Whitman31
April 18, 2008, 03:14 AM
I love my DW Bobtail...

No experience with any others...

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