7.62x54R ammo to the Middle East-lUs price increases soon?


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Ignition Override
March 9, 2008, 10:34 AM
Pardon typo-I don't know how to correct the title.

This is claimed by a very popular gun website which also sells the superb Russian Mosin Nagant rifles etc. The business has excellent feedback comments from other customers. The surplus ammo can be Bulgarian, Hungarian and so on.

Their remark is that the rounds are being bought by our govt and will be used in either the Dragunov or another Soviet-type rifle by the Iraqi Police.

Maybe their comments are simply a marketing tactic. The MN and its ammo are very high value for the dollar, in my opinion (but still a novice), therefore, is there any real chance of a quickly shrinking supply which could force the prices much higher?

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Ash
March 9, 2008, 12:37 PM
This rumor has been circulated before, and it seems the US has contracted new production of said ammo. However, ammo is surplussed for a reason: someone has deemed it is no longer suitable for military use. Whether like the Indian stuff from the 1990's it is just plain crap and unsafe, or if the fact that the ammo is older than anyone currently serving in the military in a rank lower than General and so cannot be trusted. With the US having GOBS and GOBS of money to spend, picking up the leavings of communist production in a hap-hazard sort of way seems unlikely. Who, after all, would be willing to head up that purchasing regime when all you have to do is order more new production stuff. With new stuff, your head doesn't go on the chopping block if the ammo turns out to be bad (and blows up a few machine guns).

Ash

nathan
March 9, 2008, 12:48 PM
Marketing ploy. They want to separate you and your dollar quicker before you can even realize it.

Cosmoline
March 9, 2008, 04:17 PM
Color me very skeptical. I've heard similar rumors for ages, all spun by the people selling the stuff. Yes there ARE some sniper rifles using 54R in Iraq and Afghanistan. But being sniper rifles they are comparatively few in number and don't eat up much ammo. There are multiple factories in Russia and E. Europe churning out 54R, so I wouldn't get too worried. As far as surplus, the military does not buy surplus ammo. It's far too cheap to spend taxpayer money on ;-)

TabulaRasa
March 9, 2008, 04:21 PM
PK's will burn through more ammo than any SVD/PSL/Mosin guys ever will.

doc2rn
March 9, 2008, 06:27 PM
The truth of the matter is the Government is placing restriction on import to keep the price from going up. Sad truth is they are making us pay more here so they can get theirs at a lower price. What I dont get is why they are allowed to contract this out to former soviet bloc countries instead of employing Americans to make it. The sad part of this war is it hasnt been good for our economy no matter what W. says. It has been outsourced and we are left with the bill long after he is gone. I am waiting to see if the Vermont warrant for his arrest will cause him to sign an amnesty declaration for himself to avoid trial for war crimes.

Bartkowski
March 9, 2008, 06:45 PM
Aren't the Iraqi police and soldiers being given m16's? I saw a show and read about how they were being given rifles from U.S. government, and they were taking fingerprints of the person who the gun was assigned to...

Ash
March 9, 2008, 07:46 PM
Since we can import Wolf, Barnaul, Novisobirsk, S&B, and Privi-Partisan just fine, restricting the importation of old surplus would do nothing to affect price.

Ash

wcwhitey
March 9, 2008, 08:38 PM
Just a side not: this would not include Heavy Ball as Druganov's are designed to shoot light ball only as far as I know.

Ignition Override
March 9, 2008, 08:46 PM
Thanks. The M-16 angle seems more logical, knowing that our government must have jillions of them and spare parts plus the ammo, and use NATO standard 5.56x45 ammo. I just ordered 300 more rounds of Bulgarian as it is economical plinking-but the grapefruits and cantaloupes have a short lifespan.

Other sources at "TheFiringLine" "7.62x54R.com" and elsewhere never mentioned any problem.
I'm just so fortunate that during my first visit to a pawnshop weeks ago in northeast Mississippi, the store had a few Mosins and despite total ignorance of them, they grabbed my attention.

The salesman there (a Marine Reserve guy) called them "SKS".

LeibstandarteAdH
March 9, 2008, 10:19 PM
As far as surplus, the military does not buy surplus ammo. It's far too cheap to spend taxpayer money on ;-)

That's BS. So much repacked Yugo 7.62x39 was sent strait to US led coalition fources in Iraq and Afganistan by privi that, well i'll just say that i know they sent a lot.


What I dont get is why they are allowed to contract this out to former soviet bloc countries instead of employing Americans to make it

Because all the american companys that make ammo and related things are already maxed out making nothing but US Armed fources used ammo. We are even farming out production of 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 projectiles (to be used in Olin produced ammo issued to US Army) to IWI as we speak.


Just a side not: this would not include Heavy Ball as Druganov's are designed to shoot light ball only as far as I know.

It's the PKM's that are eating the majority of x54r, and there are Plenty of them in use over there. Though the PSL's are in pretty widespread use also. And i seroiously doubt that they care much about weather or not its heavy or light ball, but more that they have the gun and related ammo to train on and use in the first place.


Thanks. The M-16 angle seems more logical, knowing that our government must have jillions of them and spare parts plus the ammo, and use NATO standard 5.56x45 ammo.

That's nothing but a token program for the news and PR stuff. We can hardly even keep non worn out AR's in the hands of our own troops, so i really doubt thees "jillions" of extra AR's and parts spoken of exist in our own hands, much less the hands of the Iraqi's

Ash
March 10, 2008, 09:47 AM
So you think the US is trying to buy up 1940's and 50's era 7.62x54r?

Ash

kcw12
March 10, 2008, 11:35 AM
OF course the US is trying to buy up, the prices on it is too low.

LeibstandarteAdH
March 10, 2008, 01:24 PM
So you think the US is trying to buy up 1940's and 50's era 7.62x54r?


No, but im saying that i KNOW they already have bought up large ammounts of 7.62x39 from as early as 1968 and issued it to coalition forces.

RP88
March 10, 2008, 02:04 PM
there's been too many rumors around guns and ammo to count in the past year. I've learned to wait until the news says it before I start remotely caring or believing in it. Unless you see an extra twenty cents on a receipt, I'd say everything is still okay.

also, the majority of IPs have been requesting AKs, SVDs, etc. over M16s for familiarity reasons (namely, Bulgarian and Yugo models) last time I heard anything

Evil Monkey
March 10, 2008, 06:40 PM
Prices are rising because of possible import restrictions, US recession (our dollar is turning into a piece of garbage every day), possibility of metal prises rising, election jitters(make more money off of desperate people), etc. It has nothing to do with the military buying it up.

Aim surplus has Hungarian 7.62x54R 440rd can for $80. If there were no laws inhibiting me, I'm pretty damn sure if I was to obtain one can of that ammo straight from Hungary, it wouldn't cost more than 10-20 US dollars.

Ash
March 10, 2008, 10:27 PM
Heh, I remember getting my Russian on strippers 10 years ago for less than $20 a tin.

Ash

biscuitninja
March 10, 2008, 11:08 PM
The only thing I can see going up is if the copper metal gets more expensive. They'd buy the copper melt it down and resell the components....

Otherwise I don't think there are too many countires that use the 7.62x54r round much.... Just a WAY too big round to be much use....
-bix

LeibstandarteAdH
March 11, 2008, 12:44 AM
I've learned to wait until the news says it before I start remotely caring or believing in it. :what:

Thats like a joke, Right?!?



Otherwise I don't think there are many countires that use the 7.62x54r round much.... Just a WAY too big round to be much use....
-bix

I take it thats also a joke too.

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