Future gun owners: hippies, punks, goths, nerds and everyone else.


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Oleg Volk
March 9, 2008, 06:15 PM
This applies especially to police officers, soldiers and others who are considered authorities on weapons. Please take the time to pass your skills (firearm safety, marksmanship, tactics) to everyone else. Knowledgeable public who learned from you would give you more trust and support.

http://olegvolk.net/newphotos/futureguns7865_sm.jpg

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RLsnow
March 9, 2008, 06:17 PM
aye, a lot of different types of people like guns.

hanno
March 9, 2008, 06:23 PM
I taught my son to shoot at a young age. I have made it a point to take some of his non-shooting friends to the range with us and give them a chance to shoot a variety of handguns and rifles (after a safety course). Without fail, they have enjoyed it immensely and ask to go out again. I make a "convert" to our side whenever I can.

Greell
March 9, 2008, 06:25 PM
Amen,

Recently I took the advice of some buddies from this site, to try to help some of the less-knowledgeable people at my work about guns and took some of them to one of the ranges I go to. I taught some of them some safety rules, and some basic stances and things that are typically considered "good habits"

some of them seem to have taken a liking to it. Some of them insist on treating guns like they are "gangstas"

you can't save em all! but definitely good to get other shooters out there and lean them towards learning the correct way.

The Unknown User
March 9, 2008, 06:26 PM
I'm a nerd that's 21 in May.

Dun dun dun!

Huddog
March 9, 2008, 06:28 PM
I agree take every opportunity to convert someone to the pro-gun side of the argument as well as making the world a safer place by teaching the proper way to handle and shoot firearms.

XD Fan
March 9, 2008, 06:30 PM
Great poster, Oleg.

Are there more in this theme?

ilcylic
March 9, 2008, 06:30 PM
Shooter looks like half my friends.

JWarren
March 9, 2008, 06:31 PM
Oleg,

I'm good with teaching hippies, punks, goths, and nerds.

But do we really have to teach the Emo Kids???? :neener:


-- John

XD Fan
March 9, 2008, 06:34 PM
Thanks, JWarren. Made me laugh.

dm1333
March 9, 2008, 06:34 PM
Last year at a rimfire bench rest match there were three young people who looked out of place with their piercings, dyed hair, etc. Two of them, both male, shot high scores in the unlimited class. Then the girl got behind the rifle and smoked both of them and most of the rest of the class. So much for stereotypes.

TimboKhan
March 9, 2008, 06:42 PM
Easily my favorite poster you have ever done, message-wise. Gunnies tend to be very "judge a book by it's cover"-ish when it comes to shooters, and it has been a thorn in my side for a long time. Lifestyle choices in one area don't necessarily have bearing on lifestyle choices in another. You don't have to wear 5.11 pants and have learned to shoot on Grandpa's knee to responsibly excercise your 2nd amendment rights anymore than you have to wear bondage pants and have a 3 foot high pink mohawk to listen to punk. Even democrats and journalists can be shooters, you know!

Excellent, excellent message.

datruth
March 9, 2008, 06:51 PM
we should all enjoy the shooting sports, safely and as often as possible. Judge a
man/women on the content of their character not the outward appearance, because I know Im probably judged as some young wannabe gangsta and Im the total opposite, not by my speech but by my color , 25, black male but dot dress like a typical wannabe , I let my speech and actions speak volumes. I respect all people as they respect me and Thats how it should be , a##holes and gentlemen/Ladies come in all shapes, sizes and colors as well, everybody deserves to enjoy the pastime we enjoy, thats all. except mallninjas and idiots,lol just kidding , not really. you all get my point.

MikePGS
March 9, 2008, 06:52 PM
A nerd? Pshaw, would a nerd have a fifteenth level magic-user?

armoredman
March 9, 2008, 06:53 PM
Very nice, sir, very nice indeed. Great message.

thebaldguy
March 9, 2008, 06:56 PM
Great poster; we need to stop the stereotyping of gun shooters and owners.

kingpin008
March 9, 2008, 06:57 PM
As a heavily-tattooed and sometimes-mohawked young man who's engaged to a heavily-tattooed young woman, I definitely appreciate this poster. I haven't personally come across much in the way of "profiling" when it comes to gunnies, but I know it's there, and have read it from users, both on this board and others.

Sometimes there isn't an underlying reason for one's appearance, other than it's what makes them who they are.

As always, good work Oleg.

.cheese.
March 9, 2008, 06:58 PM
is that an FS2000?

Bones11b
March 9, 2008, 07:02 PM
This is exactly the direction we need to start thinking if we want there to be a future to the RKBA cause. I clean up real good when necessary, but left to mine own devices I wonder about my own appearance at times. :evil: We as a whole should embrace persons from all walks of life to make a better community.

Beagle-zebub
March 9, 2008, 07:17 PM
I used to post on SKSboards a lot, and I was surprised to find on multiple occasions that the gun-enthusiast posters were formerly into hardcore punk in the '80s. It seemed like the Do-It-Yourself ethic and the distrust of authority (cops, specifically) made a shift gun-ownership and libertarianism comparatively easy. More and more, I get the impression that a wide array of American subcultures and minorities would naturally connect with most tenets of American conservatism, were it not for the association of it with religiosity, authority, main-stream whiteness, and other things that are perceived as being intolerant.

hankdatank1362
March 9, 2008, 07:27 PM
Most of the time you can find me in a Tommy Bahama-type button up short sleeve shirt and some khakis, cargo shorts, or linen pants, with either flip-flops or Sperrys.

Don't look much like a gun enthusiast, but I guess I don't look much like a typical college kid either.

http://www.bahamaoutfitters.com/images/575/pic10_575.jpg

BTW: That is sooooooooooooo not me.... but it does look like something I'd wear.


ETA: It actually makes vor very good concealment without looking overdressed, or gunshop-commando (Vest, etc...) and it can pass for fashion here in Myrtle Beach.

Officers'Wife
March 9, 2008, 07:27 PM
Hi Oleg,

Actually the woman looks a lot like my best friend. She totally embarrassed my Dad with his M1A @ 200 meters when he was 'instructing' her.

Selena

littlegator
March 9, 2008, 07:31 PM
Suuurrree Hank - we all know that's you... If I'm not mistaken, you are carrying SOB in that pic? ;)

Oleg Volk
March 9, 2008, 07:32 PM
http://olegvolk.net/newphotos/grenade7941_sm.jpg

When ammunition runs out, fight to the last grenade. This picture shows a little more elan than the "Last Granade" painting so familiar to me from the USSR. :D

TexasRifleman
March 9, 2008, 07:34 PM
nerd? Pshaw, would a nerd have a fifteenth level magic-user?

No, a nerd would be much higher than 15 :evil:

JWarren
March 9, 2008, 07:44 PM
No, a nerd would be much higher than 15

A Jr. High kid that I know and I were talking about on-line games. While he was telling me about one he plays, I told him that I was a "Dork" because I only liked the "Dungeons and Dragons-like" games.

He proceeded to tell me that I wasn't a dork until...

I told him that when I was his age, if we wanted to play a game like that, we had to use pencils, paper, and roll dice.

He responded... OK... you ARE a dork.


sigh...


-- John

General Geoff
March 9, 2008, 07:47 PM
I'm only a 9th level Rifleman.. last feat I took was Manyshot. :D

Brian Dale
March 9, 2008, 07:50 PM
And Oleg hits another one out of the park.

Minor suggestion: "So will the future gun owners."

could be smoother without the word "the," thus:

"So will future gun owners."

Tribal
March 9, 2008, 07:54 PM
If you look closely, the young lady with the rifle is clearly a left-winger...

silverlance
March 9, 2008, 07:56 PM
suggestion: More of a goth girl. as in black lipstick, dark eyeshadow, piercings. this girl is good, but lacks a little authenticity.

TBeck
March 9, 2008, 07:59 PM
Yeah, but that's the beauty of the FS2000, it doesn't matter which wing you shoot with.

I had a cognitive dissonance moment last year while visiting my sister-in-law in Canada. While driving between Kingston and Ottawa, we stopped in a small, very rural town. I went inside a convenience store to buy some snacks for the family. The clerk was a young woman who was totally punked out. I prepared myself for a surly encounter, but she was just about the nicest person you could ask to meet...just like the rest of the Canadians I interacted with.

Oleg Volk
March 9, 2008, 08:23 PM
this girl is good, but lacks a little authenticity

I assure you, she looks that was in real life :-)

I didn't think it necessary to goth her out more.

DragonRider
March 9, 2008, 08:28 PM
There is a very interesting poll on Facebook about the 2nd amendment. I was A surprised by how many people said it was an individual right, and B going through and seeing their profile pictures was very interesting.

http://www.facebook.com/politics/debate.php?id=10699148367&ref=mf

John

Wopasaurus
March 9, 2008, 09:08 PM
I have a ton of tattoos and a college degree. Haha, most people don't usually see them because I wear long sleeves 9 out of 10 times.

It sucks when I do wear short sleeves around gun shops/ranges, because I always get mean-mugged. And if I'll ask to see like a Mossberg or AK from the wall, I always get looks and sheisty questions like, "do you even know how to fire this?".

Last time that happened, I asked to see an AR, and I got a presumptuous and rude question like that... so I just completely field stripped it with pieces all over the counter, and said, "no clue", and just walked away.

Crunker1337
March 9, 2008, 09:31 PM
It would be good if we could get together a bunch of very diverse gun owners and take a photo of that.
Hip hop fans, goths, emos, punks, hippies, nerds, preps, etc

Tom Servo
March 9, 2008, 10:11 PM
Heck, my first thoughts were, "those glasses are a bit small for adequate eye protection, the fishnets might get caught on something, and she might want to tie the braids down a bit, but at least she wore comfortable shoes." :)

I've taught folks who look far more...individual than that. As long as they're safe, I'm cool. Many are a lot of fun.

The current generation coming of age was reared during the First Clinton Regime (I was raised under Reagan), and they've been fed the "no decent person has guns" hogwash so zealously that they find it very suspect. Handling guns seems to be the "nonconformist" thing in their generation.

So, if responsible shooting is the new "mosh pit," cool with me. I get to come off as the hip professor :)

hso
March 9, 2008, 10:18 PM
Oleg, very cool!

Guys at the gunshow's locally started wearing Aloha shirts after I kept setting up and wearing my orange Aloha, shorts and green Crocs. I guess they got tired of everyone looking for me and walking past them. See even gunnies can change.;)

Packman
March 9, 2008, 10:21 PM
I love busting up stereotypes.

Especially at the range. More than once I've seen people do a double take when I stand there in a Cowboy hat and a duster, shooting a single action revolver and then moving into an AK.

I took my (very) asian girlfriend out trapshooting with me. there was one dude that was not pleased when she handed his butt to him rather handily.

Nice posters, Oleg.

rero360
March 9, 2008, 10:49 PM
I hope she's not emo, it'd be a waste for such a good looking woman to be emo, lol. Seriously though, good work Oleg.

loose cannon
March 9, 2008, 10:59 PM
mr volk hits another out of the park!


i kinda dress like the the tactical guy in his poster,but,turn on my xm radio and you will find my number 1 music channel is ch82 "the system".it plays music the lady in the poster would probably recognize.

Vaarok
March 9, 2008, 11:10 PM
I concur, excellent poster, and screwing with people who claim to be enlightened by breaking stereotypes and stereotypical behaviour patterns over their head is fun.

Then again I'm a clean-cut farmkid who goes to gunshows in a button-front plaid shirt and jeans.

smullen
March 9, 2008, 11:33 PM
I'd shoot with her....

In all seriousness, I'd shoot with about anyone as long as they stay safe...

atek3
March 10, 2008, 05:40 AM
As a gun instructor that used to live in Berkeley California, i've taken some gals that weren't exactly "young republicans":

paper targets and metal spinners beware:
http://i26.tinypic.com/fcpdaf.jpg

statement of fact, most girls don't like the FAL, she however did:
http://i27.tinypic.com/apbl29.jpg

when the revolution comes, there will be floral prints
http://i32.tinypic.com/6fb4hf.jpg

(no sexist comments please)

atek3

Brian Dale
March 10, 2008, 05:55 AM
when the revolution comes, there will be floral prints
:D

I think that that woman needs an M1. :cool:

Good work, sir.

Unrequested coaching: when you're a stick, perhaps like her and definitely like me, then standing up straight helps one to deal more effectively with recoil. That's not meant as a shot at you as her sensei; it's just my experience as a skinny person. :)

smullen
March 10, 2008, 06:01 AM
ateck3, what type gun and scope is she holding in 1st pic???

grimjaw
March 10, 2008, 12:02 PM
JWarren, especially the Emo kids.

jm

Oleg Volk
March 10, 2008, 12:07 PM
Emo is a response to not feeling in control of own destiny. RKBA is part on the empowerment necessary to remedy that lack.

taliv
March 10, 2008, 12:12 PM
took me a minute to figure out that was a grenade she was throwing. my first thought was she was tossing her own aerial targets either because she was that good, or because oleg got tired... :)

The Tourist
March 10, 2008, 12:25 PM
When I first met my wife she was in high school, coming from a liberal suburban area. She had never fired any type of a fiream or ridden on any form of motorycle.

In fact, I think the first few times she came to the target range with me she just watched.

Like anything else, if you hang around something long enough, it rubs off. All of my friends ride and a large majority of my clients are in law enforcement.

She began slowly, and even "adopted" a gun I had purchased when I was clearly out of my mind. It is/was and continues to be her favorite piece, an older nickel plated Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 SPL.

As time went one, she got into SW J-frames and I urged her to try the smaller Colt .380 Government to get her accustomed to 1911 style pistols. Because she is left-handed, she doesn't like the brass flying past her face, but she still shoots them very well.

She'd rather go to Vegas to gamble, but I do know I annouce my entry to our home in a loud and distinct voice if I arrive at an unanticipated time...

atek3
March 10, 2008, 12:50 PM
Unrequested coaching: when you're a stick, perhaps like her and definitely like me, then standing up straight helps one to deal more effectively with recoil. That's not meant as a shot at you as her sensei; it's just my experience as a skinny person.

No Doubt... When I give them the big sticks the first thing I do is say, "lean in to it, more, more, almost there, now lean into it somemore."

Also, I teach other positions than offhand... kneeling and barracade are favorites. This is one shooting clays on the berm at 50 yards:

http://gallery.casa-z.org/albums/winterwarriors/IMG_3164.sized.jpg


atek3, what type gun and scope is she holding in 1st pic???

Harrington and Richardson M12, with a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x scope with the viani scope mount.

atek3

XD Fan
March 10, 2008, 01:19 PM
Good on all of you that are bringing new folks into the fold.

Brian Dale
March 10, 2008, 02:17 PM
This is one shooting clays on the berm at 50 yards:Beautiful picture! I'll suggest a caption for when you make it into a poster:

Don't tell me that it's too cold to go shooting.
Just keep loading those mags.

:evil:

keeleon
March 10, 2008, 05:09 PM
It really is funny how we can judge people based on their looks, and be completely surprised. I hang out a lot at Industrial and Goth clubs, and those are some of the nicest, easiest going people out there. One thing I have noticed, is that it does change a lot with a "group mentality". If you get them by themselves, they are really cool normal people, but when you get a big group of whatever culture then they start degenerating into the worst aspects of that. I'm looking at you specifically, "hip-hop".

yokel
March 10, 2008, 05:21 PM
No hippie under the influence or suspected of being under the influence of drugs should be allowed on the range.:uhoh:

Didn't the hippie movement wither away by the early 1970s?

crashm1
March 10, 2008, 05:42 PM
Boy I wish I could see this photo. I like goth hippies and punks.

dm1333
March 10, 2008, 07:30 PM
You aren't living in Michigan now are you? That last picture looks familiar.

atek3
March 10, 2008, 07:36 PM
Nope, these days I'm training winter warriors in New Hampster.

TCB in TN
March 10, 2008, 08:18 PM
As a white 37 year old teacher I am sure that I don't fit a lot of stereotypes. I am way to country, and redneck but still listen to hip-hop, rap, jazz, blues and classical music. I raise horses, chickens, shoot, coach soccer, basketball, and football. I like tatts (got my first one at 27 and I am designing my next as we speak), Halo, Half-Life, Gears of War, and Counter Strike, along with reading comics and action novels. I attend a Baptist church, text with my kids, carry an I-pod, and watch Food Network. I also grew up in an all white area but through sports had a lot of black friends, as well as dating a lot of black girls along with hispanic and Asian girls too. So were I single and younger I would SO love to teach the above young lady how to shoot. :evil: Well I would still love to teach her how to shoot, but now my motives would be different!;)

Superlite27
March 10, 2008, 08:25 PM
Several weeks ago, I went to the local range. While removing my range bag from my trunk, this blinged out Mercedes backs into the space next to me. (I've got a pretty decked out Cadillac, myself)
A very "gangsta" looking African American guy gets out wearing the sideways hat, 5 gold chains, medallions, saggin' pants, the works.
"Nice ride", he says.
"You too", I reply.

Inside, we get firing lanes next to each other, exchange conversation, and end up chatting for awhile about guns, the Kirkwood shooting (happened about 2 miles away) and other gun related stuff.

Heck of a nice guy.

Anyone who merely judged him on his looks would immediately and without hesitation think "drug dealer". I did so myself.

After talking with him, however, my preconceived notions were eliminated. Either this guy was the most law abiding, firearms safe, congenial drug dealer in the world, or, more likely, just another normal, law abiding citizen who enjoyed shooting like myself.

alemonkey
March 10, 2008, 08:28 PM
Is it just me, or is there a renewed interest in shooting among young people? I grew up outside of a small rural town so pretty much all of my friends had guns and hunted a lot. Then I went to college and found a lot of my age group (early 30's now) were either anti or just not interested. Now, it seems I read a lot about the next generation being much more interested.

crashm1
March 11, 2008, 10:57 PM
So now tht I can see the image I must say it looks great. Pretty normal Minneapolis or where ever punk rocker. I know a fair number of people like both of them.

Tom Servo
March 11, 2008, 11:16 PM
when the revolution comes, there will be floral prints
As long as they're not mixed with plaids, I'm game :p
Now, it seems I read a lot about the next generation being much more interested.
My shop is in a semi-urban area, and we get a lot of folks from all over in their early 20's. Most come from anti (or ambivalent) families, and they're taking the initiative to learn on their own. None of them were taught by their parents like we were.

The Generation Y types fall 50/50. Half are (usually upper-middle-class males) idiots who shoot to hear the noises or emulate the things they see in movies.

The other half is what's interesting.

They're concerned with learning for its own sake, they're conscientious about safety, and they seem to pursue shooting as a pure hobby. They seek instruction and criticism, and they seem genuinely interested in marksmanship for its own sake.

They usually have body art, odd hair colors or clothing that otherwise suggests a rebellious streak. But, they're intelligent and once you get to know them, it becomes apparent that they have a habit of thinking for themselves.

Some of the kids today have real potential, which is more than I can say about my generation...:rolleyes:

bwavec
March 11, 2008, 11:49 PM
No reason to judge the book by it's cover.

My younger brother is a punker tattoo artist, and married to a heavily tattooed lady. They are both legal gun owners/gun carriers. He is also an NRA instructor.

I work hard in my spare time on enviro/ocean issues and am a life long surf rat (who used to have shoulder length hair) who happens to have a college degree as well (I have a varied and colorful past). I am a legal gun owner and legal gun carrier, who has taught several of my beach bunny lady friends how to shoot, and helped them make smart first gun choices.

ZombiesAhead
March 12, 2008, 12:49 AM
I think it's important to spread firearm ownership and RKBA advocacy across social and even POLITICAL lines. I come from a very liberal/progressive, doctorate-level-educated family and grew up in the city of Boston. Until I became interested in shooting upon moving to Ohio and meeting different types of people, we never would have considered RKBA in our political stance.

However, guns have become a great hobby in the past few years and I've gotten both my sister and mother to take some interest in them despite their (and also my) liberal leanings on many issues.

Don't assume all democrats are anti-RKBA. Not every one is a single-issue voter but if an interest in firearms in ingrained in a person it can change the direction of even the traditional liberal anti-RKBA stereotype.

Guns are not just for white, heterosexual, Christian "good 'ol boys" and we shouldn't be so quick to equate this demographic with gun-ownership and advocacy. Considering the changing demographics of this country, we need to reach out to everyone to promote rational opinions on RKBA and spread this great hobby.

PercyShelley
March 12, 2008, 05:33 AM
Oleg Volk and Kenn Blanchard (http://kennblanchard.blogspot.com/) understand the best, and most adaptive strategy for preserving, and perhaps even expanding gun rights in this country. Gun ownership, and its attendant responsibility and self-determination has to be normalized for everyone, especially the young and social trendsetters.

The nation's population is becoming more urban. The world's population is becoming more urban. The Jeffersonian yeoman was armed as a matter of necessity; selling the idea of widespread armament to the American public immediately after the Revolution would be like selling them on the right to keep and operate spinning wheels and carding blocks. It would simply be absurd to try to live otherwise. Unless coming generations see it the same way, and a similar mentality can be imported to the 21st century, it's going to be one hell of an uphill climb.

Brian Dale
March 12, 2008, 06:06 AM
Guns are not just for white, heterosexual, Christian "good 'ol boys" and we shouldn't be so quick to equate this demographic with gun-ownership and advocacy. Considering the changing demographics of this country, we need to reach out to everyone to promote rational opinions on RKBA and spread this great hobby.Y'know, I think that I've read that before around here. ;)
.

BobbyQuickdraw
March 12, 2008, 06:08 AM
Really enjoy the first pic, but I think the text in the bottom text box is a bit too far to the right. Seems like the punctuation is on the very edge. Might suggest nudging it back in a little bit.

MaMa PyCb
March 12, 2008, 06:15 AM
Most of those who are my friends now were once anti-gun-hippies. Now there part of the "angry-gun-toting-meat-eating-people" as was once referred to by dennis leary.

TonyB
March 12, 2008, 06:28 AM
How about:
Gun owners: not just fat white guys anymore......
oh wait..I AM a fat white guy:uhoh:
although if you saw my in the 80's......;)

ptmmatssc
March 12, 2008, 07:56 AM
Oleg , I like that . I am of the persuasion of not judging a book by it's cover .

Funny though , I tend to be judged quite often on MY appearance , lol (dirty biker, white trash,etc) . But I'm a concealed permit holder , have my C&R , have a clean record , and work and live a "clean" lifestyle . Just happens that I like skin art , leather, scooters, and of course , guns . :D

When I first showed up at the range with a group of guys like me , we got some looks . But after a few times the other guys came over and started to talk with us and found that we were actually decent people . Now whenever we go , they tend to come over to see what we have that's "new" and to just shoot the bull .

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/ptmmatssc/me.jpg

Mr White
March 12, 2008, 08:14 AM
ptmmatssc, if I was at the range and a group of guys like you showed up, I'd probably just give you my wallet and shoot myself to save time. :D

My buddy and I take a group of college kids, Theater majors, to the range a few times a year to familiarize them with gun safety, handling, shooting and cleaning guns. This is done as an informal part of a props class. There have been some very interesting 'covers' to some of these 'books'. Lots of goths and punkers. It doesn't seem to matter. Put a pistol, an AR or a Garand in their hands and ther's sure to be a smile on their faces. Its a good chance for us to put out some positive PR for our sport.

ptmmatssc
March 12, 2008, 08:31 AM
ptmmatssc, if I was at the range and a group of guys like you showed up, I'd probably just give you my wallet and shoot myself to save time

Lol , you ought to see the looks on the faces of people seeing us for the first time showing up at the range . It usually takes 3-4 guys several trips to my truck to get all the guns an ammo . Then when we set up four 8 foot long tables with our gear , the eyes really start bugging out . :what:

Looks are deceiving . The group of guys that go to the range with me are some of the nicest guys you'll meet .

Mr White
March 12, 2008, 09:05 AM
The group of guys that go to the range with me are some of the nicest guys you'll meet .No doubt. First impressions are a good survival tool but when the facts speak differently, you gotta let them go. There's a group of real bada$$ biker looking looking guys who shoot at the range I go to. I was there one day lobbing tennis balls from my SKS and they showed up. Playing with an SKS grenade launcher is a good conversation starter. I got talking with them. They shot a few tennis balls, I shot an AK and an Uzi. I see them there from time to time and we always talk. The one guy often brings a really nice Buckmark that my boys usually end up shooting. Definitely good guys.

At the range, for the most part, barriers come down because beneath it all, we're all just folks who like to shoot.

mnw42
March 12, 2008, 10:53 AM
I like teaching women how to shoot. They have fewer bad habits to unlearn.

I try not to pass judgment until the person in question opens their mouth. Firearms are a unique topic to discuss, typically you can get a good bead on a persons character after chatting for 5 min.

Flopsy
March 12, 2008, 03:52 PM
Seconded. I'm a former goth myself.

I'm still a nerd though.

SoCalShooter
March 12, 2008, 03:57 PM
Doing my part, we take out 20 to 30 people from our work and friends out to shoot in the desert. I have also helped to sell 5 more off list lowers to friends who really loved my ar 15.

mordechaianiliewicz
March 12, 2008, 04:17 PM
I'm an ubergeek, and love to take others to shoot who are not the "expectant" types.

trinydex
March 13, 2008, 12:06 AM
original post is dead on. i haven't met anyone that is antigun after i showed them safe practice.

hksw
March 13, 2008, 12:58 PM
That's cool daddy-o.
(snaps fingers)

http://i32.tinypic.com/6fb4hf.jpg

Caimlas
March 13, 2008, 02:06 PM
I don't usually go for asians, girls with funky hair, or fishnets, but let me just say: OMG, that is HOT. It must be the gun. :P

Now that I got that off my chest: I love the image's "cultural contrast". It really stands out as peculiar and, while not so peculiar enough to turn a person to disbelief, peculiar enough that it catches and holds the viewer's attention.

I wonder how those platform shoes impact a person's ability to keep proper stance and shoot from various positions? Never thought about that before. I imagine it'd make prone, at least, a little awkward.

Me, I dress like a hippie, I'm told. "Combat" boots, frequently complimented with BDUs (or at least kakis/cargos of neutral earth colors - more common), and "hippie-like" shirts and stuff. Mostly baggier clothes. I carry a "purse" with a bunch of stuff in it, and I fit the "geeky hippy" appearance a bit closer than I do the "gun owner" image. At least that's what I think. It provides for better opfor intel gathering, provided I keep my mouth shut. :P

As for "gun user profiling", the "right" (which includes gun owners) is much more harsh and closed minded here in the upper Midwest. It's pretty disheartening.

Wayne02
March 13, 2008, 02:16 PM
Oleg, your work is first rate as always.

I don't get by this forum as often as I would like so if this idea has been suggested before, just ignore this post. In addition, I probably have not seen all your work and there is a good chance it has already been addressed.

That said...
I think it is a good thing that many of us take the time to introduce new people to the world of shooting, but I think the process is incomplete as far as it goes, as it is I see precious few new people coming into the shooting disciplines, and even fewer people who become shooters AND ACTIVE Second Amendment / Gun Rights advocates. There seems to be an assumption that just introducing new people to firearms will magically make them an engaged/active 2A advocate as well, my experience has been that is not the case. Just as new people need education about the safe handling and use of firearms, they need exposure and education about the importance of actively engaging in pro gun activities. The long and short of it is it really doesn’t matter how many new people we introduce to firearms if we allow our 2A/gun rights to be eroded away.

I wonder about images that would more directly address this subject? Maybe something that depicts:

- A spilt image with an experienced shooter/2A advocate showing a new person how to shoot the firearm in one screen, and the same experienced shooter/advocate showing the new person how to join their local 2A rights group, (or national – NRA etc) in the other screen. This may be too busy for one image but it would be nice to tie the two things together somehow.

- An image that shows the experienced shooter showing the new person how to join and work for a pro-gun candidate’s campaign.

- An image that shows an experienced shooter/advocate going into the voting booth to vote for the pro-gun candidate.

- An image that somehow depicts the person contacting their elected reps on gun issues, maybe using email, fax, mail, and phone call.

- An image that depicts a person who is attending and/or speaking during a hearing at their local government on a gun rights issue.

- An image that depicts a person who is doing research on candidates to determine who the pro-gun candidate is. It may include finding out the NRA’s rating on the candidates, it may include research into the candidate’s previous voting record etc.

I don’t know if any of these ideas are realistic, but I do know that if we don’t start generating the next generation of ACTIVE 2A/Pro Gun advocates then all the shooting instruction in the world won’t mean much in the long-run.

Wayne

Caimlas
March 13, 2008, 02:29 PM
Oh yeah, figure I'll post a photo or two, too. :)

Here's my kid brother:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/caimlas/abe-agressiverifle.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i57/caimlas/abe_target.jpg

He's one of the "super-creative" types who was diagnosed with ADD as a kid (and arguably still has it to some degree). He's a big goof, and currently the creative director in China for a local, domestic company. Through high school and up until the last year or so, he was pretty anti-gun, holding fairly leftist dogma. He'll likely be coming home, to the States, within a year, and he's planning to buy an AK or AR when he gets here. I've helped win him over. :)

(ETA: the glasses were stolen from the girl he stayed with the night before... they weren't "his", but they made a nice photo-op range accessory! :-D)

Biker
March 13, 2008, 02:49 PM
Just a scooter tramp/musician.

Damn good lookin' too...I mean the dog and the scoot.

BTW, there's a Taurus 450 on my left ankle and an AMT 380 Backup in my left hip pocket.

'Click' for larger image.

74562

Biker

nobius
March 13, 2008, 03:03 PM
Atek3

When the revolution comes, there will be floral prints.

Permission to use in sig line?

jlbraun
March 13, 2008, 03:18 PM
Yup, that's how I pictured Biker. :D

Spartacus451
March 13, 2008, 03:27 PM
Definitely one of your better posters.

Hokkmike
March 13, 2008, 03:30 PM
I welcome anybody who shoots as a long as they are SAFE.

mordechaianiliewicz
March 14, 2008, 11:54 AM
Wow, Biker. I gotta admit, that's pretty much how i imagined you'd look. Some people here have been a surprise. You... not so much.

Biker
March 14, 2008, 12:02 PM
Yup, them's my Sunday Go To Meetin' clothes.

Biker:D

atek3
March 23, 2008, 10:05 PM
Permission to use in sig line?
of course

Catherine
March 24, 2008, 06:14 AM
I welcome all Second Amendment supporters who choose to promote the RKBA issue, ones who choose to own/shoot firearms and ones who only do the "political" part of it and may or may not own a firearm. There are some of 'those' out there too. They believe in the issue but don't shoot often and some do not even own a firearm because they are just not INTO IT. They are not ANTIS. Understand me?

They come in all ages, all sexes, all colors, all religious or lack thereof types, all political parties, all socio/economic classes, all backgrounds, raised by conservative, liberal, moderate parents/mentors, all parts of the country, etc.

You can't ALWAYS judge a book by it's cover or someone's gun POLITICS either.

Some of us use the words conservative, liberal, moderate, constitutionalist, libertarian, etc.

I know some R wingers who go on about gun rights but Ignore and Neglect the other parts of the Constitution/Bill of Rights and the freedoms that they have LOST or been ignored by past, present and most likely FUTURE Presidents and Congress!

VICE VERSA on L wingers.

People have to start to THINK outside of the box in NOT only gun issues, other freedom issues, compromising gun organizations and in their so called LESSER of the EVILS in candidates for President, Congress, state and local levels.

They have to stop worrying about being so dang P.C. just because the TRUTH might offend some people. YOU can be honest, polite and still state the TRUTH about those gun free zones = LIES and pro gun and pro liberty issues.

I am a middle aged lady who may not look like the typical gun nut because I don't always wear jeans or boots or whatever! I dress conservatively and wear eyeglasses. I have been known to shoot dressed up - dress and or sweater/skirt with high heels, casual - jeans or shorts, jogging shoes, you name it. I do like my Uncle Mike's shoulder holster, my Triple K leather cowboy belt - think of "High Noon", my fanny pack, my briefcase and my purse. I like to OPEN carry too. Out here - you can do that pretty easily compared to back east (East coast.) where I was born/raised and then later on lived 'rural' in farm/lake country... my late husband's state with anti gun Dems and anti CCW - partial anti gun RINOS. RINO Gov too! Go figure!

I do NOT dye my hair, do not have an unusual hair style, only have one pierced earring in my L and R ears, no makeup or a tiny bit, no tattoos or markings... I am not INTO that stuff but if a woman or a man would stand by me in RKBA issues and have all of that - GREAT! I am counting on them shooting straight from the mouth and the hip! On top of that if they were in defense of our Republic against a foreign or domestic enemy along with retired and active Veterans, etc. --- we would all be in the Militia - all of us as INDIVIDUALS, eh? The people who have the right to keep and bear arms and it will NOT be infringed.

When the Revolution comes... another tea party... you will see all walks of life and those colors will be red, white and blue with a touch of this or that. You will have females in ALL ages who know what freedom means along with a thing called self preservation. They will be ladies who REFUSE to be a victim. They will teach the younger and older ones that you can be a LADY who loves and shoots firearms safely. They will be ladies who might put those firearms and pitchforks to good use too!

They might even teach the men a few things too.

Not all ladies who like to shoot have to look "tough or mean" or different. Some people think of that on gun toting ladies. Just like the ones who look different to me because I am 57.5 years old and don't understand the looks in some younger people. However... if they want freedom and they want to keep and bear arms... bring them INTO the FOLD and teach them well.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! Amen.

Yours in liberty,

Catherine - Armed and Female
http://www.mtssa.org/
http://www.gunowners.org/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Catherine
March 24, 2008, 06:23 AM
PS:

Being a summer of 1950 baby and remembering some clothes even though I dressed pretty conservative most of my life... I am smiling here. They had fish net stockings, black or navy stockings, heels, knee high boots, sun dresses, shifts, Jackie K. clothes, hats, gloves, heels and purses for Church and dress up events, flowered and solid mini and knee length dresses, Twiggy outfits, Diane V.F. prints, trench coats, USN pea coasts, herringbone tweeds, Chanel suits along with uniforms in some religious and private schools not counting rules/regs in public schools. Some public schools did not allow jeans for a time frame too. The country or rural ones did though. It depended on your part of the country.

This made me smile and NO offense. What was in style in the 50's, 60's and on... now is a big thing with college kids too.

Respectfully yours,

Catherine

deadhawg
March 24, 2008, 03:34 PM
Yokel
"No hippie under the influence or suspected of being under the influence of drugs should be allowed on the range.

Didn't the hippie movement wither away by the early 1970s?"

I think Yokel missed the point of this thread.

So, in the same spirit, can I add:

"No redneck under the influence of alcohol, or suspected of being under the influence of alcohol should be allowed on the range".:D

Ron, a clean and sober hippie from the 60's who legally carries a 1911, or a Glock, or a Kahr or all the above, every day.

scrat
March 24, 2008, 04:39 PM
Most of the time you can find me in a Tommy Bahama-type button up short sleeve shirt and some khakis, cargo shorts, or linen pants, with either flip-flops or Sperrys.

Don't look much like a gun enthusiast, but I guess I don't look much like a typical college kid either.

Thats me.

Cubavera, Davincii clothes. Just some of my attire.

yokel
March 24, 2008, 07:08 PM
Yokel
"No hippie under the influence or suspected of being under the influence of drugs should be allowed on the range.

Didn't the hippie movement wither away by the early 1970s?"

I think Yokel missed the point of this thread.

So, in the same spirit, can I add:

"No redneck under the influence of alcohol, or suspected of being under the influence of alcohol should be allowed on the range".

Ron, a clean and sober hippie from the 60's who legally carries a 1911, or a Glock, or a Kahr or all the above, every day.

Ron,

You did seem to overlook the fact that there's a certain amount of (tongue-in) cheekiness to such remarks.


Glad to hear that you survived the '60s and '70s to bless us in the now.:)

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