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catfish wilson
March 9, 2008, 09:13 PM
I am new to to THR so I dont know if this ahs been asked. Does anybody have any experience with the 5.7X28 FNH Five SeveN. It looks pretty cool, what about the quality and price?

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lanternlad1
March 10, 2008, 02:08 AM
There is also a five seven forum if you're interested. http://fivesevenforum.com/ They have a lot of specific info there too.

kokapelli
March 10, 2008, 11:05 AM
This is not a knock of the five-seven, but what's the point of the five-seven?
They are expensive, the ammo is expensive, the guns are ugly and most of all, they make a small and very expensive hole!

TexasRifleman
March 10, 2008, 11:10 AM
This is not a knock of the five-seven, but what's the point of the five-seven?

What's the point of any handgun after the Colt SAA? Let's be honest.

The five-seven has a massive magazine capacity.

The recoil is practically non-existent. My 12 year old can run El Presidente like a mad man :)

The ammo is not expensive actually if you compare it to other stuff on the market. If you happen to have a PS-90 it's nice to have the commonality of caliber.

If we are at a place where we have to justify a handgun or rifle with some "practical" use, we're all screwed.

We should all have SAAs and 1911s and move on if that's the rule.

kokapelli
March 10, 2008, 11:23 AM
Capacity and recoil are valid points, but the cost of 5-7 ammo is three times as high as 9mm.

Quack
March 10, 2008, 11:24 AM
a freind was thinking about buying a five-seven because of the performance and "it looks cool" he asked what i thought. i personally don't care for it. luckily he took my advice to rent one at the range. he shot it yesterday, and outside of the performance of the round, he didn't care for the pistol at all.

cliff notes: rent one if you can.

SGW42
March 10, 2008, 11:35 AM
If I owned a PS90, I'd probably have to buy a Five-Seven, just cause. (And conversely if I somehow owned a Five-Seven, I'd have to track down a PS90.)

That said, I don't own either.

Mike OTDP
March 10, 2008, 11:59 AM
The cartridge I find interesting. The gun...rather less so. If the same round were chambered in a better-designed piece, I'd buy one.

bigcim
March 10, 2008, 05:50 PM
I was told this round slips threw body armor
I may have been lied to

Quack
March 10, 2008, 05:56 PM
that would be the SS190 (and i think the discontinued SS192) ammo, i believe that they can penetrate Level II body armor.

catfish wilson
March 10, 2008, 10:31 PM
Thanks, I am Joe Wilson and I love this stuff

biscuitninja
March 11, 2008, 12:30 AM
Small rifle round in a pistol. GIANT magazine capacity and the ability to throw things WAY out there (rifle round remember).

Follow up shots are a cinch and its not bad looking to me.

The downsides for me....
-Its kinda expensive to own and to purchase.
-Its a double stack and I have smaller hands.
-I don't know how reliable it is with lots of rounds....
-Kinda rare...

Anyways good luck, I like them, but can't stomach the price. I'd much rather purchase something for my other hobbies at that point.
-bix

johnle
March 11, 2008, 05:13 AM
A .17 HMR will go through a vest also as will a .22 WMR.

Yeah, all three will go through a vest but they leave tiny wound tracks. Frankly if he's got armor on, you better have a rifle or a slug shooting shotgun near by.

kokapelli
March 11, 2008, 11:30 AM
Small rifle round in a pistol. GIANT magazine capacity and the ability to throw things WAY out there (rifle round remember).
Yeah, but a rifle round doesn't perform like a rifle round when it's shot out of a pistol.

If you want a defensive pistol and think a 5-7 is a good choice, I just don't understand that logic!

If you want it for fun and practice and like it's low recoil, fine, but it's a really expensive way to go, when a 22 will fill that purpose too, with way, way less overall cost.

If you just want a 5-7, than I think you should get it.

Quack
March 11, 2008, 11:38 AM
i wouldn't really say "giant magazine capacity"

Darthbauer
March 11, 2008, 12:12 PM
i wouldn't really say "giant magazine capacity"


I wouldnt say that either but it is still the only gun that ive seen that will hold 30 rounds in a mag and the mag is flush with the bottom of the frame. They make kits to get 10 more rounds in the 20 round mags. Glocks have 30 rounders but they also stick out the bottom of the gun about 6 or 7 inches.

BattleChimp Potemkin
March 11, 2008, 12:27 PM
We've had guys come out to our range with em. They are very (almost insanely) accurate at 50 yards, low recoil, cub-compact weight (:), would be a pleasure to carry), and a decent price for ammunition (the stuff available outside of handloads can be used inversely for SD, so its somewhat cheaper per round than the other SD ammunition available, shoot half the box, load the other half up). My only beefs with it are the initial weapon price (can be a little high depending), the round's fragmenting nature (looks like a handgrenade went off in newspaper, but only for about 4 inches, soft points anyone?), and the blast (holy smokes, sounds like .357 sig going off). Other than that, great gun, easy to maintain, accurate. I know it takes .224 diameter stuff for handloads, why not a heavier soft point for SD work (decent penetration, some expansion, NO fragmentation)?

H2O MAN
March 11, 2008, 12:47 PM
When will these have night sites ??

Soybomb
March 11, 2008, 12:54 PM
I was told this round slips threw body armor
I may have been lied to
Pretty much. There is AP ammo out there for it just like there is for 9mm. You can't buy either. Some rounds can penetrate low grades of body armor but its nothing that people don't do do with $100 guns 50 year old guns they get shipped to their front doors with a C&R license. The round is very unimpressive.

Frankly if he's got armor on, you better have a rifle or a slug shooting shotgun near by.
A slug will not do anything to a guy in body armor rated to protect against them. That myth needs to die.

That said I think its a fun gun. I wouldn't use one for defense and probably won't buy one but I think it would be a fun plinker especially if you're recoil sensitive and want a little extra zip over .22lr.

H2O MAN
March 11, 2008, 01:26 PM
I think the 5.7 and the PS90 would make a great combo as truck guns.

RobertFBurnett
March 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
I recently came across a Great article on the 5.7 round online published in a major Handgun magazine, can't seem to find it now, use the Google thats where I found it. If I come across it I'll add in the address.

Anyhow, long story short there are like 5 variations of the round, one of them is the armor piercer and its the one all the antis are rallying around (of course!). It had intended uses from its creation, much how like the 9mm went on to be used in sidearms and the MP5, they wanted to start from the ground up at a combination Carbine/Pistol round with certain characteristics.

Overall a fine round, but it really comes into its own, like others have said, when you own both platforms to fire it.

RFB

hankdatank1362
March 11, 2008, 03:20 PM
The 5.7 is the preferred handgun of criminals across the country, and is known as the cop-killer pistol, due to it's ability to penetrate their ballistic armor.



J/K... I actually read that in an article posted on this board many months ago.

mnw42
March 11, 2008, 04:19 PM
It is a neat concept, shame it is only rehashing the .30 Mauser/7.62x25.

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