My first Appleseed shoot


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realmswalker
March 9, 2008, 10:43 PM
Hello Everyone,

Being That I am in cali, we haven't really had a chance to participate in one of these until now, and I must say it was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

The shoot was held and mike rahaagues shooting range in Corona. It was a very good turnout and we had so many people we actually had to do relays with one line on a left target and one line on a right target.

Day one ran from 830 to almost 6 oclock, we pretty much shot till the sun went down. The instruction I got from this course and the skills I have taken away are Phenomenol, I can not stress highly enough that if you can do this shoot, then do it.

Day two ran like a normal day shoot with only one line of shooters per relay, no swaps. It was windy as heck on day two and sand and dust were blowing everywere, but around 11 or 12 it calmed down and wasnt too bad.

My hats go off to the instructors as they did and AMAZING job not only with instruction, but with range safety, and just being general all around very nice people. If you go to a shoot and are lucky to have Junior Birdman as you coach for the classes, he taught very well and in a manner that anyone can understand, which gave us the basic ways to effectively shoot a rifle.

All the other staff was great such as Koolaid, Bob, Frank, and everyone else, If you read this and I missed you by name I apologize, but everyone did a great job.

And one of my favorite parts of the experience was the history lesson on the start of the revolutionary was on april 19, 1775. All the people who read did a GREAT job and I for one loved it and was inspired.

The only regret I have is that I did not shoot rifleman, I missed it by 8 points on the very last stage:( But i have taken so many great skills to practice and build upon, I am hoping to shoot it at my next shoot.


This AQT is shot with 4 stages of 10 rounds each. The first stage is shot standing which is the largest target on top, 10 rounds, and you have 2 minutes to complete it. I may be getting my time mixed up on these stages but this is best I can remember, been a long day.

The second stage is shot sitting position starting from standing, 5 in each of the two targets that are side by side. You must do a mag change after the second shot then put three more in the first target and 5 in the last. 50 seconds to complete I believe.

The third stage is shot from the prone position, starting from standing. Three targets side by side side. 2 in the first target, then a mag change then 1 more in the first. 3 in the second target, then 4 in the last target. 60 seconds to complete I believe

The fourth stage is started from prone and stays in prone. 2 shots on the first target, 2 on the second, 3 on the third and 3 on the fourth. 2 and a half or three minutes to complete, Im pretty sure im wrong on the time on this one.

Those targets at the bottom look mighty small through iron sights at 25 meters. But it was a great time.

Here is my target with my best score, which was the last stage, we shot about 6 or so of these. I shot with an m1 garand and my own loads.



The third stage is three targets

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armoredman
March 9, 2008, 11:00 PM
I was trying to get one set up here in my little town, no luck so far. Would love to shoot an Appleseed!

MaterDei
March 9, 2008, 11:02 PM
Cool!

CJ
March 9, 2008, 11:21 PM
Thanks for the review! I'm planning on attending an April shoot and am still a little leery of it. A nice review like this is helpful!

funfaler
March 10, 2008, 04:59 PM
Some very nice groups!

BLC
March 10, 2008, 05:29 PM
Sounds like a great time! Me and a buddy were going to go as well but something came up, we will be attending in April.

MarcusWendt
March 10, 2008, 05:32 PM
Yes, something did come up. Now I really want to go next time out.

What was your experience with rifles prior to this class and what type of rifle were you shooting?

Seminole
March 10, 2008, 09:20 PM
I'm considering an Appleseed shoot.

What rifle were you shooting?

ARGarrison
March 10, 2008, 10:12 PM
On a two day course about how many rounds did you go through?

realmswalker
March 10, 2008, 11:23 PM
What was your experience with rifles prior to this class and what type of rifle were you shooting?

I have been going to the range for about 8 years, but sporadically here and there, maybe once every 2 or three months at most.

I have never had any type of instruction other than what I try to apply by reading. The instruction I received was great. It's amazing what a sling can do to steady your gun if used correctly. They really emphasized dry firing, and I highly recommend doing that before the shoot. they said use a light socket to aim at in your house and practice from all three positions.

I shot an M1 garand which felt heavy on the standing stages, And I have been lifting weights steadily for a year.

Some advice to those of you who are going to bring an m1 garand. My rifle ran fine until the wind and dust kicked up then her op rod jumped the track a few times. I wiped her down and borrowed some greas and greased the rails inside and out and the lugs where it was shiny. After that it ran GREAT. so I recommend grease, no clp or such.


On a two day course about how many rounds did you go through?


They tell you to bring 400 rounds but I came home with 72 rounds, so we shot 328. We did a bit of work shooting a target to help us diagnose problems and fix our windage.

JWarren
March 10, 2008, 11:29 PM
Where do you find out information on Appleseed shoots and locations?

Has there EVER been one in the Deep South?

After all the great stories here, its on my list of "Must Do" things.


-- John

WayneConrad
March 10, 2008, 11:40 PM
Where do you find out information on Appleseed shoots and locations?
http://appleseedinfo.org

For Appleseed shoot schedules, click on Appleseed/Schedules.

Check out the forums, too. Very nice guys, very knowledgeable.

JWarren
March 10, 2008, 11:43 PM
You rock Wayne... thanks much!

-- John

funfaler
March 12, 2008, 12:02 AM
Mississippi will be getting an Appleseed on May 3-4 in Jackson, MS.

Keep an eye on the schedule! It will be there soon!

Hey All, look at the Attachments below! The "LTR" is the best rifle to bring to an Appleseed. For the cost of 400 rounds of 308 or 223, you can nearly buy a Ruger 10/22 and modify it to an 'LTR". Very effective training.

realmswalker
March 12, 2008, 07:56 PM
What Exactly is the LTR!

rino451
March 12, 2008, 09:27 PM
LTR = Liberty Training Rifle = a dressed up Ruger 10/22 with peep sights and other add-ons.

If you're interested in a good and VERY inexpensive two day course to learn to shoot irons, try an Appleseed. Going to go to my second, one in April and REALLY looking forward to it.

Soybomb
March 12, 2008, 09:50 PM
So how versatile is the course with other rifles? Would a tube fed like a marlin 60 work well? How about an ar15 with a .22 conversion? I've heard people recommend that bolt and lever shooters get an autoloader for the course.

AndyM
March 12, 2008, 10:34 PM
I went to an appleseed event about a year ago. I brought my SKS with a TechSight mounted on it. At our shoot there was a guy with a lever action marlin and another guy with a tube fed .22.

In both cases these guys were at a disadvantage due to the speed of reloading these type weapons during a firing string.

Most strings are shot with 10 rounds with a mandatory reload. Usually in the configuration of 8 and 2 rounds. (For historical reason because of the Garand capacity I believe)

So after 8 rounds, you'd have to reload with 2. With tube feed weapon this would most likely take you out of your shooting position and take up valuable time.

With my SKS, I could pretty much maintain my shooting position and reload 1 handed since I had a second stripper clip already loaded.

However, the reload speed is the only disadvantage I can think of with a tube feed weapon.

Andy

realmswalker
March 12, 2008, 10:41 PM
Where would I would be able to get the parts to convert my 10/22 to a LTR?

AndyM
March 12, 2008, 10:42 PM
More info on the rifles used at my Appleseed event.

I don't have the exact numbers but here is what I remember:
2 M1A1 (1 failed to finish due to a broken extractor)
2 Garands (1 failed to finish due to extraction issue. A backup was then called into service)
2 SKSs (both Yugo)
1 Marlin lever action in .35 Remington
1 tube fed .22 (unknown make)
4 AR-15 type rifles
1 AK type rifle
1 CZ bolt action in 7.62x39

I think I'm missing a few but as you can see, there was quite a variety.

I actually don't think a bolt action would be an issue assuming you had an easy way to reload.

For example, I was thinking about bringing my Swiss k-31 and reload with stripper clips. I decided against the k-31 due to ammo costs. :-)

I think I went through about ~250 rounds of ammo on a single day.

-Andy

AndyM
March 12, 2008, 10:51 PM
realswalker said: Where would I would be able to get the parts to convert my 10/22 to a LTR?

One such "peep" sight for a 10/22 is the TechSight.

http://www.tech-sights.com/

They make rear peep sights and replacement front sights for both the SKS and the 10/22.

I have the rear on my SKS and really like it. On my SKS it increases the sight radius and makes for quick target acquisition.

The tech-sight is only one example.
Another is the Willaism Firesight: http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/gunsightsdefault.htm

I cannot speak to the Willams version.


Andy

MiddleAgedKen
March 13, 2008, 11:13 PM
Both the 2008 Ohio events take place when I have a Saturday summer class. I'd like to do at least one Appleseed in 2009 and maybe a boot camp in 2010, if I do well in the Appleseed.

funfaler
March 14, 2008, 06:05 PM
Well, ain't nothin that says you can't go to the several Indiana Appleseeds!

Just a little more driving, camping is available at the Lexington, IN shoot, perhaps the others as well.

Dope
March 14, 2008, 06:43 PM
Whoa. They have one in MA coming up in April. I never thought I'd see them come here. It's only about 30 mins away, at the range I am expecting to join this spring. HMMMMMM.

Dope

hawkhavn
March 19, 2008, 07:21 AM
realmswalker,
If you shot over a 200 at your first Appleseed you are an outstanding shot compared to most Americans, practice just a little and you'll be there.

Dope,
DO NOT pass up the April 19-20 shoot in MA. Do whatever it takes to be there.

MiddleAgedKen,
Two things, we'd love to have you at a Hoosier shoot and not all of the dates are set yet for the year. Keep checking back, we lierally add shoots every week. I was setup at a local gun show this weekend and had clubs offering to host a shoot.

hawkhavn

deolexrex
April 2, 2008, 05:47 PM
Information Galore!

http://appleseedshoot.blogspot.com/

azredhawk44
April 2, 2008, 06:11 PM
More Appleseed Info:

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php

Lots of Appleseeds occurring all over the US on April 19th and 20th this year. Be sure to sign up for one near you!

All rifles welcome, and all riflemen!

Bring your Mosin, or your M14. Your Marlin 60 or your Winchester 94. Your AR, or your SKS.

But bring yourself and a mind like a sponge, because the knowledge to be soaked up comes at you full-force, like a fire hose.

rocinante
April 2, 2008, 07:16 PM
I went this last weekend to an appleseed in Toccoa Georgia with my eleven year old son. All pun intended WE HAD A BLAST even with it being cold and rainy.

I can't really claim I improved that much but I learned a lot and it was fun. GO.

socalserf
April 3, 2008, 08:37 AM
Hey Rocinate,
How about those Georgia Revolutionary War Reenactors.
Rifle marksmanship and living history. Lucky you!

rocinante
April 3, 2008, 09:08 AM
Hey Rocinate,
How about those Georgia Revolutionary War Reenactors.
Rifle marksmanship and living history. Lucky you!

I don't know about them but will definitely check them out. I already play dress up for cowboy action shooting.

rocinante
April 3, 2008, 09:12 AM
double tap

Wheeler44
April 3, 2008, 12:14 PM
I really wanted to go in April and take my 15 yr old (he's a shooter) but I didn't think that I would be able to come up with the cash for 800 rds. of ammo, entrance fees, lodging, food, transportation, accessories, etc.

Thanks to this thread I found out that Young Wheeler shoots free and we can use .22s for at least part of the shoot. What a bonus.

Big question, how much of a disadvantage will I be at with a single shot bolt action .22? Not that it matters a lot, but still I'd like to know.

Thanks fellas

Wheeler44

deolexrex
April 3, 2008, 01:03 PM
I'm guessing you could purchase a new 10/22 and still come out ahead. Or you may be able to borrow one from somebody you know. I'm actually building an extra Liberty Training Rifle (http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberty-training-rifle.html) to have available to loan to those in your position.

funfaler
April 3, 2008, 01:07 PM
Big question, how much of a disadvantage will I be at with a single shot bolt action .22? Not that it matters a lot, but still I'd like to know.

The course is designed for semi-auto rifles, as there are some timed sections of the shooting.

However, the bulk of the instruction does not require a semi auto, and even those timed sections have been cleaned by bolt gun operators, so it is not that huge of a hurdle to leap.

That said, any aspect of the Appleseed course that is a shooter can not totally participate in, they will still have a learning experience and opportunity.

With the AQT targets that we use, 210 is a the minimum "score" for Rifleman (expert), out of the 250 possible. I witnessed a fella with a 238 on this AQT with a bolt 22, so very possible to do.

If the shooter goes into it with a teachable attitude, they can learn, even if for less than 5% of the course, they may not get all of their shots off.

Groups, it is all about shot groups, they can demonstrate good technique and groups, even if they only get 6-8 shots off, in a 10 shot string.

Appleseeds are not a competition, except with one's own performance.

See the attachments to my earlier post, Post #14, for Ruger 10/22 LTR information, may be a good option.

Enjoy!

MarcusWendt
April 3, 2008, 01:32 PM
I want to do this so bad, and There is another one here in CA soon. It always seems that my schedule gets hosed up and once again, I have a dinner to attend the first Saturday they shoot. ARGGGG!!!

If I had to leave an hour or two early the first day, would it really screw me up?

funfaler
April 3, 2008, 01:53 PM
Big question, how much of a disadvantage will I be at with a single shot bolt action .22? Not that it matters a lot, but still I'd like to know.

Nah, you would catch a bulk of the instruction by @ 3pm or so. Especially if you can make Sunday too, you would really reap a good bit of the full course.

Most of the "magic" is taught on Saturday, and often the last couple of hours can be spent refining, if the course/class is going well.

Each Appleseed is a little different, and develops it's own personality ;)

I would not miss it for lack of only a couple of hours, but be warned, Dinner may not be that important, once you get there ;)

Wheeler44
April 3, 2008, 03:52 PM
Some things are just meant to be...... A cousin has a recreational cabin not too far from the shoot this weekend. It's spring break and we haven't done anything familywise yet so my wife and daughter want to go..cousin donated enough ammo for my sons full bore....Now I just have to practice my "tactical" reload with my old single shot .22......I can't wait...

Wheeler44

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