Am I being unreasonable?


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Hokkmike
March 10, 2008, 04:14 PM
I am looking to buy a lever action rifle. I have investigated Winchester, Marlin, Henry, Puma, and Uberti.

In a book of gun values I see that the Pumas are really Rossi rifles. That put me off instantly from considering one of their carbines.

They have the configuration i want.

Am I being overly critical here?

Any opinions about Rossi rifles would much appreciated.

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Rock_Steady
March 10, 2008, 07:10 PM
I don't know about unreasonable, and I don't have one myself, but I have heard some really good things about Rossi pump and lever action rifles. I think that thier levers are copies of the winchester 92 action, so that is why I went with a marlin .357 lever. I'm not real smart and don't need any more moving parts than absolutely necessary.

R.W.Dale
March 10, 2008, 07:13 PM
When comparing the same model Rossi/Puma to a genuine winchester I've found the Rossi to be the better rifle. In terms of accuracy function and fit n finish

alaskanativeson
March 10, 2008, 08:56 PM
I've had two Rossi pump .22s. Both were good rifles, I wouldn't hesitate to get another. Like Rock Steady said, they are a copy of the Winchester 92 action. For that reason I'd go with the Marlin. I don't say that to belittle the Winchesters (I have a pre-64 30/30 94 myself) but in my experience Marlins have a much smooter and more reliable action.

jasa
March 10, 2008, 09:00 PM
I have a couple Henry rifles in 22 mag. I assume from your list of rifles you're looking for something bigger. What I can tell you about my experience with Henry tho is all positive. Marvelous shooting rifles with an amazingly smooth action. Don't know about their larger calibers tho.

Bazooka Joe71
March 10, 2008, 09:07 PM
Just get a Marlin and be done with it.:cool:

Sans Authoritas
March 10, 2008, 09:09 PM
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.

The rule covers Uberti, Bersa, Tanfoglio, Norinco, EAA, Saiga, Rossi, Tauri, <cough> Armalite, and yes, even Beretta. (Never been a particularly big fan of Beretta's firearms.)

You should go with a Savage. Phenomenally accurate and reliable. Because the rule doesn't apply to you. : )

-Sans Authoritas

Cosmoline
March 10, 2008, 09:11 PM
I've had some serious troubles with my Puma .44 mag carbine. On the plus side, the action is fantastic and as long as you keep the rounds a tad under OAL it loads and fires without flaws. On the down side, to save some $$ Rossi tried to use some small friction screws to keep the magazine tube in place. These DO NOT WORK for any serious shooting with heavy .44's. My tube kept skittering out of place, and I had to make some pretty drastic changes to the piece to make it work.

Of course, the only alternative would be an actual Winchester '92 or a Browning 92 from Japan. Either would be out of my price range and ill-suited for rough trail use.

The Marlin 1894 carbines are also nice, but are considerably clunkier in the hand and a notch heavier.

On the other hand, I've heard Rossi resolved these problems on their upgraded '92 they use for the .454 Casull. I've heard a lot of good things about those.

Mac45
March 10, 2008, 09:49 PM
Have a Puma in .45 Colt. Buddy had one in .45 Colt and another in .357 All work fine, and are accurate rifles.
Yes, Puma has had it's share of lemons. If you're worried about getting a bad one, talk to this guy.
http://www.stevesgunz.com/
Both my buddy's rifles came from Steve.
He's a good guy, does excellent work, and won't rip you off.

My next one will come from him

Avenger29
March 10, 2008, 09:53 PM
Honestly, I think Marlin rules in the lever-actions.

Solid top, strong receiver, easy to field strip and clean from the breech, available in calibers from .22LR to .45-70. Made in the USA. Marlin still believes in quality steel and wood construction.

Hokkmike
March 10, 2008, 10:17 PM
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.

Great, my guns are SAKO, Bersa, and Beretta! (LOL)

The Deer Hunter
March 10, 2008, 10:21 PM
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.

The rule covers Uberti, Bersa, Tanfoglio, Norinco, EAA, Saiga, Rossi, Tauri, <cough> Armalite, and yes, even Beretta. (Never been a particularly big fan of Beretta's firearms.)

You should go with a Savage. Phenomenally accurate and reliable. Because the rule doesn't apply to you. : )

-Sans Authoritas

I'm quite confused...I'm actually just kidding.

Savage Shooter
March 10, 2008, 11:15 PM
Get a winchester or a marlin can't be beat for reliability they'll las t a lifetime and then some.:D

NG VI
March 10, 2008, 11:24 PM
Firearms ending in vowels-

HK USP (safe)
S&W x3 (safe)
Glock (safe)
CZ x2 (safe)

I passed Sans test!!!

Shawnee
March 10, 2008, 11:35 PM
+1 for Marlin


:cool:

Carl N. Brown
March 11, 2008, 12:33 AM
Sans Authoritas
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.
The rule covers Uberti, Bersa, Tanfoglio, Norinco, EAA, Saiga, Rossi, Tauri, <cough> Armalite, and yes, even Beretta.
But.. but the "e" in Armalite is silent. It modifies the "i". So technically
Armalite ends in a consonant "t".

Reminds me. I need to drag my Rossi Puma out to the range and refamilarize myself with the difference between the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum POI and POA.

gbran
March 11, 2008, 12:44 AM
Plus one on the Rossi. My Rossi 22mag pump is fun, reliable and accurate.

riflenut
March 11, 2008, 01:36 AM
IVE OWNED A MARLIN LEVER ACTION 357 MAG. SHORT BARREL. AND THE WINCHESTER COWBOY LEGACY 24INCH BARREL ALSO 357 MAG.I FOUND THE FIT AND FINISH WAS MUCH BETTER ON THE WINCHESTER RIFLE. AS FAR AS THE ACTION AND ACCURACY THE WINCHESTER WON. THE ACTION WAS A LITTLE TIGHT, IN THE BEGINING ,BUT AFTER A FEW HUNDRED ROUNDS,SMOOTH AS BUTTER. THE MARLIN I OWNED THE ACTION WAS ALWAYS STIFF DIDNT FLOW RIGHT.:o:o:D

Robert Hairless
March 11, 2008, 02:18 AM
My rule is never to buy a firearm that ends in a consonant. Just to play safe I might not buy one that ends in a vowel either. I don't want firearms to end.

Omaney
March 11, 2008, 10:32 AM
I'm pretty fond of my Puma in .44. Admittedly, I've only had it a short time, but it is a pretty nice rifle. It is pretty light and I bruised the hell out of my shoulder in 35 rounds. It is my designated "tramping in the bush, looking for swine" carbine. It shoots straight and has a very solid feel.

MachIVshooter
March 11, 2008, 11:05 PM
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.

The rule covers Uberti, Bersa, Tanfoglio, Norinco, EAA, Saiga, Rossi, Tauri, <cough> Armalite, and yes, even Beretta. (Never been a particularly big fan of Beretta's firearms.)

You should go with a Savage. Phenomenally accurate and reliable. Because the rule doesn't apply to you. : )

Nice try, but it's European American Armory, and you can't modify Taurus to fit your list:neener:

I do hope you're joking, too, because that would be about the silliest policy I've ever heard of.

Firearms ending in vowels-

HK USP (safe)
S&W x3 (safe)
Glock (safe)
CZ x2 (safe)

I passed Sans test!!!

Česká zbrojovka

Omaney
March 11, 2008, 11:26 PM
Brilliant MachVI !!

mavracer
March 12, 2008, 12:51 AM
my rossi '92 has been flawless. plus its a thing of beauty 24" 1/2 round 1/2 oct barrel

Zundfolge
March 12, 2008, 12:56 AM
I've made it a rule never to buy a firearm that ends in a vowel.
Hmm so Jennings, Hi Point, Intertec, Vulcan, Hess ... these are all quality guns?

BobbyQuickdraw
March 12, 2008, 07:28 AM
Savage ends in "e."

I've shot a Rossi 92 on a few occasions, one was a great fun time, the other the darned thing was out of whack, not sure why. Sights were off, was jamming on .38s.

Check in with this guy:
http://www.stevesgunz.com/

He buys the Rossi 92s in whatever style you want, charges you 10% over the dealer fee, and does some custom work on them. The SASS boys swear by him, and he posts on their forums -but never self-advertises. All the good stuff comes from others.

Now me, on the other hand, I've got a thing for guns that end in vowels, I guess, and Italian imports: Berettas and Ubertis. (Though my Beretta 92FS was made in Maryland)

Bearhands
March 12, 2008, 07:32 AM
How bout one ending in "G"?

http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=31&section=products

TimboKhan
March 12, 2008, 07:51 AM
I have shot some decent-to-great Rossi rifles, and I have shot some real stinkers. Honestly, if I were you, I would just buy a Marlin and be done with it. They hold their value pretty well, and I honestly think they are better than the later model 94's by a pretty wide margin. I have a Marlin 39A .22 rifle that is great, and I would recommend that rifle to anyone. If your specifically looking for a .22, the Henry isn't bad. My Dad thinks the Henry .22's have the smoothest action of any lever .22, and it is nice, but I think my Marlin is just as nice, if not nicer.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
March 12, 2008, 01:04 PM
After dealing with a POS Rossi revolver----I'd avoid anything Rossi like the plague.

I don't even both to look at them in the store----no sence wasting my time.

Houdini
March 12, 2008, 01:04 PM
I have the Henry Big Boy 44. Very smooth action and Accurate as hell. A little on the heavy side but I am a big guy and it does not bother me...

jpwilly
March 12, 2008, 01:11 PM
I've never used the Gun Book of Values to ever help me make a dicission nor have I stayed away from good firearms becasue of brand name. Any manufacterer has produced a model or two that has been a lame duck. Many manufacterers have some of their product line produced under license by people you've never heard of! Others have produced more of their fair share of crap but you can usually tell quality when you see it, feel it, etc etc. Don't be put off by a name brand!

Hokkmike
March 12, 2008, 01:35 PM
How bout one ending in "G"?


I have never seen a Mossburg lever until just yesterday at G Mt. An interesting possibility!

Eyesac
March 12, 2008, 02:04 PM
I have a friend w/ a Rossi 92 in .357, and it's a great gun. I have a Win94 and his Rossi is as good in fit and finish as mine any day. Great gun, I'll like one some day myself.

KodeFore
March 12, 2008, 02:52 PM
Got a marlin for Christmas briefly considered a puma cause it was about 5 cheaper but once the marlin was in my hands it was over. Just took it the range and and its now my favorite gun.

bogie
March 12, 2008, 03:03 PM
Keep in mind that these are WORKING guns, and will never be collectors items (barring weird unforeseen stuff). So find one that feels right, functions nicely, and be happy.

MAKster
March 12, 2008, 03:40 PM
The Puma, EMF, and Navy Arms 1892 lever actions are all made by Rossi. I have the Navy Arms version in 357 and it is very solid.

Carl N. Brown
March 15, 2008, 08:17 PM
The Rossi Puma (Brazil) is apparently similar to the long-running
El Tigre copy of the Winchester 1892 made in Spain.

The Rossi Puma has been made for police use, for hunting and
general utility especially throughout South America. And for
export to the U.S. Just as I have seen Winchester 1894s I would
want, and a 1960s "Olin" Era Winchester I traded off as I thought
the materials and workmanship were not up to par, I suspect that
Rossis made in different years, or under different contracts, may
vary in quality. I remember a lot of complaints about S&W quality
in the early 1970s.

The Puma I have was made for Legacy importer catering to the
CAS crowd, and appears to be a very good gun for the $300 I paid.
(My rear sight elevator was setup for .38 Special and I had
to swap it out for a lower one since .357 has a flatter trajectory.)
I certainly could not find a good Winchester 1892 and have it
converted to .357 for $300.

As far as the quality of a Puma (or for that matter any make)
sitting in a pawnshop rack, I don't know and I wouldn't guess.
As pointed out by others, the Marlin guns have always maintained
a consistency of excellant quality and reasonable price. If I
did not have the Puma, I would probably have a Marlin 1894 in .357.

Green Lantern
March 22, 2008, 12:51 AM
My great-uncle left me his Rossi .22 pump when he passed away a while back. I hadn't shot it in many years, till a nice warm evening this week. I'd forgotten just how FUN it is to shoot! And accurate to boot.

I had never gotten any real instruction on MAINTAINING it, but that screw is nice and 'in your face' enough that I was able to figure out how to take it down for a good cleaning...

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