Thought I posted this earlier, don't know what happened. Anyway, I have a Pietta 58 Rem and a Pietta 60 Colt Army. I did some shooting this weekend and have the fever for another revolver. I was thinking about either a Walker, 3rd Dragoon, or 51 Colt Navy. Which would you add next and what brand?
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scrat
March 10, 2008, 04:44 PM
WALKER, Dragoon
Uberti
pohill
March 10, 2008, 05:20 PM
1851 Navy .36. Uberti or Pietta, Colt Colt if you can (2nd Generation or Signature Series). I like .36 caliber for a change and the 1851 Navy has alot of history behind it.
SAKOHUNTER
March 10, 2008, 09:12 PM
1851 Navy .36 Uberti....:cool:
Pancho
March 10, 2008, 10:01 PM
You already have two 44's if you want to complicate your life with another caliber go for the 36. I've got both and I'm lovin life.
StrawHat
March 11, 2008, 06:05 AM
Eagle 24
I have a Pietta 58 Rem and a Pietta 60 Colt Army. I did some shooting this weekend and have the fever for another revolver. I was thinking about either a Walker, 3rd Dragoon, or 51 Colt Navy. Which would you add next and what brand?
Of the three you mentioned, the Walker is obviously the most powerful followed closely by the Dragoon. And I like both but realistically neither is likely to accompany you as they are both heavy and unwieldy.
The 1851 is a well balanced piece that is as comfortable in the hand as it is in the holster.
From your choices I believe you fire your 1860 more than the Remington.
Since you seem to be gravitating towards Colts, I would suggest another 1860 for you. The weight and grip will be familiar to you. The tools needed to keep it running, you should already have.
It is your choice but I would recommend staying with what you already know.
eagle24
March 11, 2008, 10:49 AM
From your choices I believe you fire your 1860 more than the Remington.
Since you seem to be gravitating towards Colts, I would suggest another 1860 for you.
You're right. I do favor shooting the 1860 more than the Remmy. I have also given some thought to a Uberti 1860 as my next gun. I read an article somewhere that the grip frame geometry of the Pietta 1860 was not like the originals, but that was'nt the case with the Uberti (if I remember correctly). Something about the geometry of the Pietta created a tendancy for the gun to point high.
I have also considered an 1861 model. If I bought a 51 Navy, it would probably be the London model with the steel grip frame. Eventually, I think I will add them all. I just can't decide which I want next.
scrat
March 11, 2008, 11:32 AM
Both the 1860 and 1851 are very good guns. I have shot them along with my WALKER side by side with Remingtons. A lot of the people who were shooting the Remingtons always seemed to want to know more about the colts. They are very good guns. Simple and shoot very good. As far as quality. From what i have and from what i have seen Uberti is top dawg. Some people will cry out pietta. Well i have a pietta. I wont think twice about buying another one. However if a good affordable Uberti is available. Then thats what i will be buying
fineredmist
March 11, 2008, 12:29 PM
I my humble opinion the WALKER is the way to go, load 50 grs. of whatever with round ball and have a BLAST (literally). The weight of the peice (4.5 lbs) keeps the recoil down to nothing. I have a 1851 Navy (Colt 2nd Gen) and 3 Ubertis, 3rd Dragoon, 1860 Army and the WALKER and the WALKER is by far the most interesting.
mike101
March 11, 2008, 04:27 PM
I'd go with a Colt Colt. Start here. http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Category/197/Guns/Pistols/Colt-Percussion-Revolver-Modern.htm
There's a nice 2nd Generation Navy for $575. Spend some money, what the hell. :D
Keep an eye on Gunsamerica. They get a lot of really nice stuff.
TheWall
March 11, 2008, 05:30 PM
I just got an 1851 Colt Navy from Dixie Gun Works. It's a steel frame Pietta. Very nice and it's on sale at $185.
The guys are correct, Walkers and Dragoons are a blast to fire.
But after a while they got old for me. Too heavy and contrary to Hollywood, not practical on a belt. Might be why the were called Horse Pistols by Colts.
Yes the grip frame of the Uberti is different from the Pietta.
Uberti is much closer to the original Colts model frames.
I have adjusted the grip frame on Piettas to make them closer but Uberti is the one.
I have never tried to fit a Uberti grip frame to my Piettas.
Hmm..... sounds like a project.
sundance44s
March 12, 2008, 09:29 AM
I`ve got a Walker comming I bought last week ..can`t wait to shoot it ..but would never even think of wearing it on my belt ...I have a hard enough time keeping my pants pulled up ...I have a bad case of plumbers butt .
eagle24
March 12, 2008, 01:58 PM
Well, I decided I wanted a Uberti 1861 Navy. Nobody has one in stock.:mad: I ordered a Uberti 1851 Navy instead. Steel frame, backstrap, and trigger guard. Thanks for the input from everyone.
Scrat, The Walker will be next.:D
DixieTexian
March 12, 2008, 02:23 PM
But after a while they got old for me.
Or perhaps you got too old for them?
Im283
March 12, 2008, 02:58 PM
but would never even think of wearing it on my belt ...I have a hard enough time keeping my pants pulled up .
suspenders to hold up pants. belt to hold up gun
SAKOHUNTER
March 12, 2008, 03:48 PM
Well, I decided I wanted a Uberti 1861 Navy. Nobody has one in stock. I ordered a Uberti 1851 Navy instead. Steel frame, backstrap, and trigger guard. Thanks for the input from everyone.
Scrat, The Walker will be next.
You made a good choice!
The only thing I do not like about mine is ball selection.....I do not have time to make my own so I have to settle for factory stuff.
.375 and .380 balls are too small for mine so I am using Hornady .395 balls. They are a tad too big but are working so far....better to be a tag too big than too small.
The Colt bug has bitten me so I also see a Walker in my future!
Make sure you post some pics when you get it.
Mausermike
March 12, 2008, 04:19 PM
.395 is an awfully big chamber. What does you bore measure?
SAKOHUNTER
March 12, 2008, 04:51 PM
Not sure...I do not have any dial calipers.
I guess I need to buy some....any recommendations?
eagle24
March 12, 2008, 05:46 PM
Not sure...I do not have any dial calipers.
I guess I need to buy some....any recommendations?
I have a Lee dial caliper that has served me well for 15 or so years. Starrett are probably better but will cost more.
Calibre44
March 12, 2008, 06:03 PM
Here's a pic of mine just after a complete strip and clean:
Cool! Thanks for the big pic, I can't wait till it gets here.
Calibre44
March 12, 2008, 06:13 PM
You won’t be disappointed.
Easy to load … easy to shoot … easy ‘on the eye' – but most of all just a load of fun!:)
Enjoy!
Pancho
March 12, 2008, 06:33 PM
Sakohunter, Now that's the first time I've heard that. Is your 51 a Pietta or a Uberti. As you already know the .375 is recommended and the.380 is supposed to be better and you say your .380 won't give you the lead waste ring? I always say I won't ever see everything.
SAKOHUNTER
March 12, 2008, 06:43 PM
It is a Uberti and the manual recommends .380 balls.
The .380 balls from Track of the Wolf would not leave a waste ring and would pull back out with the rammer.
The .395 balls leave a significant waste ring with moderate effort to seat.
I just ordered a dial caliper from Brownell's so I will measure it when they show up.
Calibre44
March 12, 2008, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Sakohunter
It is a Uberti and the manual recommends .380 balls.
The .380 balls from Track of the Wolf would not leave a waste ring and would pull back out with the rammer.
The .395 balls leave a significant waste ring with moderate effort to seat.
What’s the accuracy like with .395?
I used .375 first in my Uberti Navy and they were next to useless (or I was:confused:) Switched to .380 and accuracy improved but I’d be interested in how you got on with the .395 balls.
Shot 6" groups at 25 yards from a sandbag and the groups were about 4" high of POA. Probably can get tighter groups with a lighter load.
Gonna try and make the range tomorrow so I can try some lighter loads.
mykeal
March 12, 2008, 09:50 PM
I think it's a very good idea to check the bore dimensions, and check the chamber dimensions also. .395 is way too big for a .36 cal revolver, and the group size should be better than 6 inches at 25 yards. I'm guessing that the bore is the proper size, the chambers are oversize and the balls are being grossly deformed in the barrel.
scrat
March 13, 2008, 01:11 PM
part number 90424 lee precision mold. .390 this may be a good thing to look into. Sound like the right size for what you need.
I just fixed an 1851 that I got in a pawn shop for seventy five dollars. So now I have a couple 1858 Remington's. One of them has a long barrel and a shoulder stock attachment. And I have the 1851 but I think my next gun will be a Lemat. Yes a Walker has more power per shot but the Lemat has nine of them and a .65 caliber barrel under the 44 cal barrel making it have ten shots with the last one way bigger then the law allows. I would suggest that this makes the total fire power of the Lemat greater then the total fire power of the Walker. And the cavalry model looks way cool as well. But they aren't cheap by any means. Dixie has them for 750 and Taylor's for 900. This is much higher then a Walker.
I am going to try and sell a Taurus Raging Bull in 454 with about 160 rounds of ammo for it. I was going to put it up for 750 so maybe I can break even for the Lemat
mykeal
March 15, 2008, 09:48 AM
Read Cumpston and Bates book on percussion revolvers before you buy the LeMat.
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