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Hoopie
March 10, 2008, 11:45 PM
Any reason not to get one? I'll be handloading one real soon for whitetail and woodchucks in the OH,PA,WV area unless i get some better caliber suggerstions.

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Regolith
March 10, 2008, 11:54 PM
Uhh....it'll cost you money? :confused:

Can't think of any reason NOT to get one, if you want one. :neener:

Deer Hunter
March 10, 2008, 11:59 PM
I wonder how that round does as a long-range target round?

eldon519
March 11, 2008, 12:08 AM
I believe the .270 Winchester generally is capable of outperforming the .25-06 both in trajectory and wind-drift and should in theory have a little bit better barrel life. The .243 also outperforms the .25-06 in terms of trajectory and wind-drift and has a better bullet selection available. 6mm is a very popular target caliber, so there are some excellent match projectiles available for the .243.

The .25-06 is good, but not great. I think if you look, you might be able to find something better for yourself, but I don't think you would be terrible disappointed with it.

rbernie
March 11, 2008, 12:16 AM
The 270 is a better all-around chambering *if* deer is the primary goal. The 25-06 is better for long-range varminting, where lighter bullets in .277 caliber will not have the aero efficiency of their .257 cousins.

I have both, and would be hard-pressed to find a significant performance difference between the two for most hunting use.

I wonder how that round does as a long-range target round?The best target rounds are usually 6.5mm, since that's the caliber with the current focus in VLD bullet designs. The .257 and .277 calibers have decent hunting bullets available, but not much in the way of VLD bullet offerings.

Deer Hunter
March 11, 2008, 12:16 AM
Isnt the .25-06 6mm, though? And it would hold more powder than the .243.

Maybe I just don't know my rounds.

rbernie
March 11, 2008, 12:17 AM
6mm == .243

rangerruck
March 11, 2008, 12:56 AM
25.06 with 120 grainers can be real screamers, and out a long way, just ask dudes who take 500 yds shots on goats and antelope out west, so I have no probs with it. IF you are handloading, it has got to be terrific.

zedheadmc
March 11, 2008, 01:14 AM
I cannot think of any good, or even any bad, reasons to not have a .25-06.
It just so happens that I have a U.S. Model M1917 that was sporterized some time in the past that I will be resporterizing and turning it into a .25-06.
And I have lived and hunted in Pennsylvania (north west). A .25-06 will do and serve you well there.

skinewmexico
March 11, 2008, 01:47 AM
My dad always wanted a 25-06 and never got one, so when I saw a Howa with a stock that really fit well, I bought it. Not so good on the bench, but for some reason, I have made several of the most amazing shots on game ever. For me at least. There is a definite lack of LR bullets for the 25, although I see Berger has a 115 VLD. Tough to beat a 243 set up to shoot a 115g DTAC though.

kgpcr
March 11, 2008, 08:06 AM
The 25-06 is one of the best out there! I will shoot flatter than a .270 due to the higher velocity. It is one of the best out there for long range deer and varmint hunting! It fills a nice niche in that it is not supreme overkill for Coyotes and the like and is one heck of a deer antelope caliber. It will out perform the .243, you can push a 120grn 25-06 bullet the same if not faster than a .243 100grn bullet.

Shawnee
March 11, 2008, 09:05 AM
KGPCR's post right above says it very well.

In actual field performance the .25/06 is totally awesome and all the talk about it's imaginary "shortcomings" is just that - pure "schmack". :rolleyes: The 25.06 will serve you very well from prairie dogs to Elk... just as well (or better) than any other caliber you can buy.

:cool:

APIT50
March 11, 2008, 09:10 AM
If you don't mind some case forming try 260 Remington. It is great for long range and is used more and more in even 1K target shooting. Barrel life is no worse than 243 and there is a good selection of match bullets available. For long action I second 270 over 25.06. Better choice in high B.C. bullets

critter
March 11, 2008, 09:26 AM
Top-notch choice! I've got one (rebarreled M98 Mauser-Shilin barrel at 26") that is VERY accurate. Puts our 'average size' whitetail DOWN right there quite well and EXPLODES vermin.

Easy to reload for and has PLENTY of bullet choices. Mine LOVES Nosler BT's-100 grainers.

Go for it!

T.R.
March 11, 2008, 10:39 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/sdricksbuck25-06.jpg

This my friend Rick and his Ruger 25-06. Scope is an older Redfield 6X.

This rifle is typically loaded with 117 grain Sierra Pro Hunter bullets at near maximum velocity. I've seen it flatten antelope and mule deer many times. They just fall over or fold up when the bullet strikes. Why anyone would buy a 300 MAG rifle for antelope or mulies is beyond my comprehension. All that recoil and muzzle blast for zero genuine gain.

It's fair to compare the 25-06 to 270. After all, they are derived from same parent case and shoot similar weight bullets. Either choice is equally logical.

TR

Zeke/PA
March 11, 2008, 07:35 PM
My most recent Ruger #1 purchase just happened to be a .25-'06.
The price was right as the glass was a 4x12 Leupold Vari-xII.
I free floated the forearm and worked up some deer hunting loads, settling with the 117 grain Hornady.
I managed two instant one shot kills on beanfield bucks at 200+yards each this past fall.
Great cartridge.
Zeke

Colt46
March 11, 2008, 07:46 PM
That gloriously large case for a 120 grain bullet. Seems inefficient. Many, many people swear by them though.

JESmith
March 11, 2008, 07:53 PM
I have had extremely good luck with the 125 gr. Nosler partion as well. It used to be my favorite coyote round.

eldon519
March 11, 2008, 09:43 PM
I know it is not absolutely representative of the entire market or the abilities of a handload, but if you go to Remington's webpage and do a ballistics comparison of .243, .25-06, and .270, at 500 yards every .243 load has less drop than any of the loads listed for the .25-06. One of the .270 loads beats all of the .25-06 loads, and another falls right in the middle of the range. To be fair, I was also only comparing the non-premium Core-Lokt loads in both .270 and .243 to the loads in .25-06 because Remington does not offer premium bullets in this caliber. Throwing in the Sciroccos, Accu-Tips, and Bronze Tip factory Remmy loads, the .243 and .270 both tally up several more loads better than the top .25-06 load.

In both the factory ammunition world and in the handloading world, much better bullets can be found in .243 and .277 than in .257. .257 is just not a caliber known for particularly good BCs, and it shows at longer ranges.

Just throwing that out there. Like I said before, it's a good caliber, but not a great one. I'd still take a look at both the .243 and .270 instead of it. If you really want a hot little number, check out the 6mm Remington.

MachIVshooter
March 11, 2008, 10:43 PM
I believe the .270 Winchester generally is capable of outperforming the .25-06 both in trajectory and wind-drift and should in theory have a little bit better barrel life.

Similar velocities, pressures and powder type/capacity. Barrel life will be about the same. Having said that, I don't know anyone who's shot out the barrel in a hunting rifle.

The .243 also outperforms the .25-06 in terms of trajectory and wind-drift and has a better bullet selection available. 6mm is a very popular target caliber, so there are some excellent match projectiles available for the .243.

The .243 shoots a lighter bullet at lower velocities, so it will not buck wind as well and will drop faster. Also, .244" pills run 55-100 grains, .257 bullets are 75-120 grains; (I don't count match bullets, like the 107 gr. .244 since OP intends to hunt or bullets to light for caliber, like .257" slugs intended for .25-20 and .25-35), so the spread is basically the same, but the .25 caliber bullets are simply better suited to big game animals. Using the heaviest bullets, .244" and .257" have nearly identical BC and SD, but the .25 caliber slug is still heavier and still going faster, hence more oomph down range.

.257 is just not a caliber known for particularly good BCs, and it shows at longer ranges

The most widely used hunting bullet in the .25-06, the 117 grain Sierra Gameking, has a BC of .410. That's not too far from the .430 of the 100 grain .244" pill, and the .270 only pulls better number with the 140 and 150 grain loads.

If we really want to base what we buy on trajectory alone, we should all be selling everything we own and buying .408 Chey-tac rifles. Fact is, for the OP's purpose, the .25-06 will perform very well. It is a better medium and big game cartridge than the .243, and better suited to varminting than the .270.

If you really want a hot little number, check out the 6mm Remington.

I agree that the 6mm is a great little cartridge, but unfortunately is all but dead outside of competetive shooting these days. I love mine, but I'd never recommend the cartridge to someone who doesn't handload.

eldon519
March 11, 2008, 11:11 PM
MachIVShooter,

You should check out the Hornady line of bullets. The .244 105-grain A-Max is described as being used for competition and thin-skinned game (basically the same as the V-Max) and features a .500 BC. The Hornady .277 130-grain Super Shock Tip has a .460 BC. The 150-grain SST has a .525 BC. I have not found any .257 bullets by Hornady or anyone else that really compete with these examples.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the 87-grain .244 V-Max also has a .400 BC. The 85-grain Interbond has a BC of .395. Bullets of this weight range in a .243 tend to run around 200-300fps faster than the 117-grain loads for a .25-06 with the similar BC.

MachIVshooter
March 11, 2008, 11:40 PM
You should check out the Hornady line of bullets. The .244 105-grain A-Max is described as being used for competition and thin-skinned game (basically the same as the V-Max) and features a .500 BC. The Hornady .277 130-grain Super Shock Tip has a .460 BC. The 150-grain SST has a .525 BC. I have not found any .257 bullets by Hornady or anyone else that really compete with these examples.

And there are .284" bullets with BC's over .600, so maybe he should get a .280. But wait, there are .308" bullets with BC's over .700, so maybe he should get a .300 mag. Then again, the are .338 caliber bullets with BC's over .800, so maybe a .338 mag is the ticket..............

You can see where I'm going with this. It's not all about BC and trajectory, especially if the cartridge is less suited for the intended use. I acknowledged that the .244" and .277" bullets can exceed the BC of the .257" pills, but that does not change the fact that the OP wants to kill deer and rockchucks, and the .25-06, being more flexible than .243 and .270 within those parameters, is a good choice.

skinewmexico
March 12, 2008, 01:23 AM
Bottom line is..........they're all roughly the same.

Ala Dan
March 12, 2008, 04:30 AM
U gott'a love those .25-06's~! :D

I had a Remington 700 BDL in that chambering many years ago, and it was
my favorite rifle of all time; even more so, than my 700 BDL .243~! :uhoh: :eek:

eldon519
March 12, 2008, 08:33 AM
I see your point MachIVShooter, but like you pointed out, the trend is usually that as bullets get larger in caliber, they become more aerodynamic such as the .338 BC being higher than the .308 BC being higher than the .284. I think it is rather telling that the .257 family is framed on BOTH the higher and lower caliber side by better long range projectiles. Like I've said a couple times, good but not great.

gimposaurus
March 12, 2008, 10:53 AM
.270 with 140gr Nosler Accubond (.496bc) at 3,000fps or 130gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at 3,150 = better than .25-06 with anything. There are a lot more choices for higher BC bullets in .277 than in .257 - berger have just released 3 .277" VLDs, a 130 with a .48something BC, 140 at .510 and a 150 at .545.


The real difference is bugger all though, especially for hunting purposes

BsChoy
March 12, 2008, 10:55 AM
The 25-06 has been intriguing me alot in the past few years. There's no doubt I will own one someday just not sure when! Maybe they will have some 125 or 130 grain longrange bullets available by then!?!

Hokkmike
March 12, 2008, 11:06 AM
They are LOUD, more so than most cartridges.

Geno
March 12, 2008, 11:15 AM
I had a Weatherby Vanguard VGX in .25-06. It was one of my most accurate rifles.

For varmints, use either 75 or 87 grain projectiles. For medium sized game such as deer, 95 or 100 grain partitions are great. Larger game can be taken easily with the 115 or 120 grain projectiles.

The .257 caliber was Mr. Weatherby's favorite caliber of projectile. His, though, was a .257 Weatherby Magnum, which he even used to harvest a cape buffalo once.

Good luck.

Rokman
March 12, 2008, 12:41 PM
I have been killing deer with my Remington 700 .25-06 for 26 years with 100, 115, and 120 grain bullets. The 100 gr ballistic tips shoot really great and have never had a problem dropping deer. I have not shot the lighter weight varmint bullets, but has been one heck of a deer rifle.

scottyd
June 2, 2008, 09:30 PM
There is not a 270 winchester on the planet earth that can shoot as flat as a 25-06... with the same BC bullets

lets compare the best of the best bullets of the 270
.277 Berger 130 VLD at 3200 fps .480 bc
.277 Berger 140 VLD at 3100 fps .510 BC
.277 Berger 150 VLD at 3000 fps .545 bc

Compared to the 250-06
.257 Berger 115 VLD at 3200 .522 BC

(yes my 25-06 EASILY does 3200 fps with the 115 Berger no pressure signs, brass reloaded lots of times per load)

sure the bigger bore per same case is always more efficient, and will shoot same weight bullets faster.
we know a 300 win mag is the same case as a 458 win mag, but who on earth thinks the 458 shoots flatter than the 300 win mag?

In my humble opinion, The 270 and 25-06 are about the same all around, and both are excellent hard hitting flat shooting rounds. but if we are going to nit pick down to the little bit, I'll go on..
Both will kill Deer and Varmints about the same, the 270 with it's heavier slugs would be better for mousse or elk, but neither is suited for the task.

Do a ballistics cheek on the above rounds and bullets..
The 270 does not have the velocity of the 25-06 does at range, the 270 has a RAINBOW trajectory compared to the 25-06 having a laser beam trajectory.

even at 50 or 600 yards the 25-06 VLD with the above bullets is FASTER than ANY of the 270 VLD bullets

neither the .277 or .257 have great bullets for long range..
the 6mm and 6.5 mm are much much better..
the `6mm 105 Berger VLD .545 bc or the 6.5mm Berger 140 VLD at an Astounding .640 bc makes the .277 140 VLD look like it has a parachute tied to the back of it for the same weight comparison.

back to the 25-06 vs 270... look at the charts below..
All 4 loads have 1000 ft lbs at 700 yards...the 150 .277 vld load has 1000 ft lbs at 800 yrds.. but we are not talking Moose loads. we are comparing speed, flat shooting, and wind bucking.



25-06 115 Berger VLD .522 bc
Range Velocity Energy Flight Drop Maks Path Drift
time height
[yds] [ft/s] [ft.lbs] [s] [ins] [ins] [ins] [ins]
====================================================================
0 3200 2614 0.000 0.0 -2.0 -2.0 0.0
50 3105 2461 0.048 0.4 -0.7 -0.1 0.1
100 3011 2315 0.097 1.8 -0.3 0.9 0.5
150 2920 2177 0.147 4.0 0.3 1.0 1.1
200 2830 2045 0.199 7.4 1.1 0.0 2.1
250 2743 1921 0.253 11.8 2.3 -2.1 3.3
300 2657 1802 0.309 17.3 3.8 -5.3 4.9
350 2573 1690 0.366 24.1 5.7 -9.7 6.7
400 2490 1583 0.426 32.2 8.0 -15.5 8.9
450 2409 1481 0.486 41.6 10.7 -22.6 11.3
500 2329 1385 0.550 52.6 13.9 -31.2 14.2
550 2251 1293 0.615 65.2 17.6 -41.5 17.6
600 2174 1207 0.684 79.6 21.9 -53.6 21.3

270 130 Berger VLD .485 bc
Range Velocity Energy Flight Drop Maks Path Drift
time height
[yds] [ft/s] [ft.lbs] [s] [ins] [ins] [ins] [ins]
==================================================================
0 3200 2955 0.000 0.0 -2.0 -2.0 0.0
50 3097 2769 0.048 0.4 -0.7 -0.1 0.1
100 2997 2593 0.097 1.8 -0.3 0.9 0.6
150 2899 2426 0.148 4.1 0.3 1.0 1.2
200 2804 2268 0.200 7.4 1.1 -0.0 2.2
250 2710 2119 0.255 11.9 2.4 -2.1 3.6
300 2618 1978 0.311 17.5 3.9 -5.4 5.3
350 2528 1845 0.369 24.4 5.8 -9.9 7.3
400 2440 1718 0.430 32.6 8.2 -15.8 9.6
450 2354 1599 0.492 42.3 11.0 -23.1 12.3
500 2269 1486 0.557 53.6 14.3 -32.1 15.6
550 2186 1379 0.625 66.6 18.2 -42.8 19.2
600 2105 1279 0.695 81.5 22.7 -55.2 23.3


270 140 Berger VLD .510 bc
Range Velocity Energy Flight Drop Maks Path Drift
time height
[yds] [ft/s] [ft.lbs] [s] [ins] [ins] [ins] [ins]
=================================================================
0 3100 2987 0.000 0.0 -2.0 -2.0 0.0
50 3005 2806 0.049 0.5 -0.7 0.0 0.1
100 2911 2634 0.100 1.9 -0.3 1.1 0.5
150 2820 2472 0.152 4.3 0.3 1.1 1.2
200 2730 2317 0.206 7.9 1.3 0.0 2.2
250 2643 2171 0.262 12.6 2.5 -2.3 3.6
300 2557 2032 0.320 18.5 4.2 -5.7 5.2
350 2472 1900 0.379 25.8 6.2 -10.5 7.2
400 2390 1775 0.441 34.4 8.6 -16.7 9.4
450 2308 1656 0.505 44.7 11.6 -24.5 12.2
500 2229 1544 0.571 56.6 15.1 -33.9 15.4
550 2151 1438 0.640 70.2 19.1 -45.1 18.9
600 2074 1337 0.711 85.7 23.8 -58.1 22.9

270 150 Berger VLD .545 bc
Range Velocity Energy Flight Drop Maks Path Drift
time height
[yds] [ft/s] [ft.lbs] [s] [ins] [ins] [ins] [ins]
==================================================================
0 3000 2997 0.000 0.0 -2.0 -2.0 0.0
50 2913 2825 0.051 0.5 -0.7 0.1 0.1
100 2827 2662 0.103 2.0 -0.3 1.2 0.5
150 2743 2506 0.157 4.6 0.4 1.2 1.2
200 2661 2358 0.213 8.4 1.4 -0.0 2.2
250 2580 2217 0.270 13.4 2.7 -2.4 3.5
300 2501 2082 0.329 19.6 4.4 -6.1 5.0
350 2423 1954 0.389 27.3 6.6 -11.1 6.9
400 2346 1833 0.452 36.4 9.1 -17.7 9.2
450 2271 1717 0.517 47.2 12.2 -25.8 11.9
500 2197 1607 0.585 59.7 15.8 -35.7 15.0
550 2124 1503 0.655 74.0 20.0 -47.4 18.4
600 2053 1404 0.726 90.1 24.8 -60.9 22.2

velocity/trajectory and wind drift--- the 25-06 HANDS down kills the 270 in ALL respects.

SORRY eldon519 and gimposaurus there is not a 270 load on this planet that can shoot as flat with less wind drif.
if you want to go down in bullet weight, let me know... the 25 will still kill the 27 ... only in ft lbs can the 270 slightly outperform the 25-06.
Have a good day
scottyd

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
June 2, 2008, 09:53 PM
Very informative first post, scotty - thanks and welcome! :)

M40A1
June 2, 2008, 10:05 PM
I love my .25-06, I wouldn't be without one. Great cartridge. I dropped many a whitetail and groundhog with mine before I moved away from PA. Great antelope and deer cartridge for the West too and also great for coyotes when it's windy and the .223 isn't enough.

stolivar
June 2, 2008, 11:15 PM
The 243 has less power, less energy, more drop then the 25-06



Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient
R243W3 Remington® Express® 100 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® 9 1/2 0.356
PRC243WC Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 100 Core-Lokt® Ultra Bonded 9 1/2 0.373
R25062 Remington® Express® 100 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® 9 1/2 0.292
PRC2506RA Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 115 Core-Lokt® Ultra Bonded 9 1/2 0.380
PRA270WA Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 9 1/2 0.447

Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 2960 2697 2449 2215 1993 1786
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 100 CLUB 2960 2709 2471 2246 2033 1832
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 3230 2893 2580 2287 2014 1762
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 115 CLUB 3000 2751 2516 2293 2081 1881
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 3060 2845 2639 2442 2254 2076

Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 1945 1615 1332 1089 882 708
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 100 CLUB 1945 1629 1356 1120 917 745
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 2316 1858 1478 1161 901 689
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 115 CLUB 2298 1933 1616 1342 1106 903
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 2702 2335 2009 1721 1467 1243

Short-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 0.1 0.7 zero -2.0 -5.4 -10.4
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 100 CLUB 0.0 0.5 zero -2.0 -5.3 -10.3
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 0.0 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.6 -9.1
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 115 CLUB 0.1 0.6 zero -1.9 -5.1 -9.9
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 0.0 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.7 -9.0

Long-Range Trajectory
Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 1.6 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.5 -22.1 -45.4
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 100 CLUB 1.6 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.3 -21.6 -44.3
Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 1.3 1.3 zero -2.6 -6.6 -19.8 -41.7
Premier® Core-Lokt® Ultra 115 CLUB 1.6 1.4 zero -2.8 -7.1 -20.7 -42.5
Premier® AccuTip™ 130 AT BT 1.4 1.3 zero -2.4 -6.4 -18.6 -37.7

skinewmexico
June 3, 2008, 12:21 AM
Proving once again that factory ammo blows.

scottyd
June 3, 2008, 12:51 PM
I believe the 25-06 would be more a flat shooting rifle than a 243, per case size, the 6mm-06 (24-06) would have better long range trajectory than the 25-06.
A 105 grain Berger VLD from a 6mm-06 or 6mm-284 can be launched at 3400 fps The 25-06 might be able to get 3500 with a 100 grain, but we are comparing velocity of the equivalent or as close to so Ballistic coefficient bullet
For Example a 25-06 can launch a 115 Berger VLD at 3200 fps
a 6mm-06 could launch a 95 Berger VLD at 3600 fps..
The 115 grain .257 Berger VLD has a BC of .522, the .
The 95 grain . 243 Berger VLD has a bc of .524 and
the 105 grain .243 Berger VLD has a BC of .565

However in defense of the 25-06, the .257 115 is a little heavier than the 6mm 105, more suited for larger deer.. also
the Thin skinned Bergers lose accuracy if driven much over 3200 fps..
The 6mm Berger 115 VLD has a BC of .597, pretty impressive,, but required a 1:7 twist, and an 06 case or equiv (6mm-284) would be hard pressed to get 3000 fps out of a 26 inch tube, and the 1:7 or 1:8 twist would limit velocity as bullet would spin jacket off if driven too fast..

The standard 25-06 1:10 twist will handle the 115 grn .257 Berger VLD fine

These are great bullets..
I shoot them a lot.. My Best Friend has a 22-250 Winchester with 26 inch bbl, he swears the speed of the cartridge is what makes it so devastating.. and it is a nice round..he brags about his 45 grain factory loads that do a blazing 4000 fps!

I tell him, but no animal on earth is going to walk up to the muzzle and only at the muzzle does it do 4000 fps..
those 45's have poor BC drag, something around .162 BC..
By 200 yards, my 25-06's 115 VLD Bergers launched at 3200 fps are still traveling 2800 something fps, while his 45's launched at 4000 fps from the 22-250 are only traveling 2700 something fps at 200 yards He refuses to believe it.

I talked him into getting the 50 grain ballistic tip loads at 3800 fps, much better Bc drag.
he has two 22-250's. his shots are from 50-250 yards.
and most are 150-200 yards.(coyotes)
So muzzle vel means squat. Vel at range is what you want, and the VLD's will deliver!

I fell in love with the 25-06 in the late 1980's, my late friend who had a shooting range had one... a Ruger hvy 24 in bbl with a 6.5-20 40mm Lpld scope.
I at the time had a win 300 win mag...
.
As my old late friend Ed with his 25-06 and another 12-14 bench rifle helped me along.. He got me into accuracy.

I could never get more than 1 moa avg from that 300 mag.. even aft we bedded it and so forth.

was loading 125's, but could NEVER get em the speeds of his 25-06 with 75's Sierra's 80's (Brunos) and 85-87's
His 25-06 would print 1.5 to 2 inch groups at 400 yards all day long. His Friend Louie Who had a Ruger no# 1 in 257 Roberts, also would print 1 inch groups at 400 yards.
They loved the .257 bore, and refused to more to the 6mm or 6.5mm and wanted to make the 25 work.. a challenge I guess. They also had 308's 35 Welon, 17 rem, 45-70 and many others, but they loved the 257's
.
In 1994 I bought me a 25-06, I had not seen Ed in months as I had been busy working... I bought a Ruger like his, except mine was a 26 inch bbl, same Leupold scope, except mine had a 50mm obj,, bedded it, worked up some loads.

I went out to his home in the country, and he had passed away 2 days earlier from a heart attack. 72 yrs old (I was 29 or 30 then)

I never got to show him my 25-06.. He was a big heavy set man, all of the family was, they ate a lot of good food, and always insisted I ate with them if I went to the range.. It was GREAT.

When I see any 25-06 I think of him.

Sorry for the long post, I had to give my good late friend, Ed Hall some credit for introducing me to this fire breathing round!

Scotty

Peter M. Eick
June 7, 2008, 06:45 PM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/25-06target.jpg

I am pretty please with what mine will do at 100 yrds. I pulled the one shot but that is a decent 5 shot group.

25-06 is a good round, lots of fun and somewhat unique. Seems like most of the quarter bore crowd tends to be that way. Just ask the 257 Roberts guys.

MMCSRET
June 7, 2008, 07:18 PM
My elk hunting partner has used a Browning B-78 in 25-06 for 25 yrs. and taken at least 20 elk with it, only 2 required followup shots. He loads his own and knows where to put them.

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