Minnesota: Castle Doctrine hearing Mar. 13th at 12:30PM


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johninminnesota
March 11, 2008, 07:00 PM
Time to get involved - see email sent out below (quoted), and if you can, show up at the state capitol - Thursday March 13th at 12:30 PM with your support sign. The author of this bill needs a show of support to get this bill moving.


Friends, neighbors,

A hearing on the "castle doctrine" bill is scheduled at the state capitol this Thursday March 13th at 12:30 pm - Room 10 of the State Office Building, the big brick building across from the State Capitol. Many other states have already adopted this legislation because they understood the need and usefulness of giving law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves against violent criminals. Representative Tony Cornish, author of the bill, says he needs some citizens to attend this hearing so there is a show of support. Those who oppose it are going to be there showing their opposition.

We are coordinating a caravan to the capitol to show support. If you can make it please email me and let's make use of the car pooling lanes we've paid so much for.

Here is a link to the house file: http://wdoc.house.leg.state.mn.us/leg/LS85/HF0498.0.pdf


Sometimes called the "Shoot First" bill, this legislation is opposed by people who are afraid to have citizens defending themselves. They mistakenly think that it will turn our cities and state into the wild west - just as they thought the Minnesota Personal Protection Act (permit to carry a pistol) would. The fact is, nothing like that has or will happen. Law abiding citizens are least likely to use violence, and in cases where they could, it means that a criminal is about to do "substantial bodily harm"! As it stands, before a citizen can use lethal force they must determine that their life is in jeopardy or that they risk "great bodily harm" - as opposed to "substantial bodily harm"... you tell me the difference?

Existing laws don't protect the citizen from being arrested, hauled off in handcuffs, and booked for a crime (like discharge of a firearm in city limits...). The new law requires an initial investigation to determine if the citizen was acting in self defense before the citizen is arrested. Existing laws do nothing to protect citizens from civil litigation by the perpetrator or their family, and most unjust, from prosecution by a District Attorney without just cause. In any event, as it stands, a citizen is required to hire an attorney and defend themselves from the outset, leaving their ultimate fate in the hands of a jury who may or may not understand the logistics of a violent encounter - the split second decisions, the distance a person can travel in under 2 seconds, and the harrowing fear that grips most people when they are in such a situation (all brought on by a violent criminal who doesn't care about your life or well being).



From: National Center For Policy Analysis: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st176/



Despite some 20,000 gun laws in the United States, mostly at the state and local levels, there is little evidence that any but the most weakly motivated citizens have been discouraged from gun ownership. And there is no evidence that these gun control laws have made a dent in the crime rate.

Over the years, police and other experts have changed their recommendations about how to deal with criminals. In the early and middle 1970s, they advised cooperating with robbers and rapists to minimize chances of personal injury. Today, some who gave that advice tacitly admit that it was misguided. They now urge resistance in selected instances, especially for rape victims. Studies show that robbery and rape victims who resist with a gun are only half as likely to suffer injuries as those who put up no defense.




I urge you to get involved in this process. If you can't make the hearing, please notify the legislators below via email or telephone to support this bill and get it approved by the house and senate so we can protect ourselves wherever we may be.

SEND THIS EMAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS SO THEY CAN CHIME IN!

Chair: Joe Mullery DFL
367 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Minneapolis

Bigham - DFL rep.karla.bigham@house.mn
529 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Cottage Grove
Newport
St. Paul Park
South St. Paul

Cornish - R rep.tony.cornish@house.mn
281 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Amboy
Bricelyn
Delavan
Eagle Lake
Easton
Frost
Garden City
Good Thunder
Janesville
Kiester
Lake Crystal
Madison Lake
Mapleton
MN Lake
New Richland
Pemberton
St. Clair
Vernon Center
Waldorf
Walters
Wells

DeLaForest - R rep.chris.delaforest@house.mn
323 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Ham Lake
Andover

Emmer - R rep.tom.emmer@house.mn
261 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Delano
Albertville
Waverly
Rockford
St. Michael
Otsego
Montrose

Hilstrom - DFL rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn
379 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Brooklyn Park
Brooklyn Center

Holberg - R rep.maryliz.holberg@house.mn
303 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Burnsville
Lakeville

Johnson - DFL rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn
549 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Saint Paul

Kalin - DFL rep.jeremy.kalin@house.mn
579 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Harris
Center
Wyoming
Taylors Falls
Chisago
Lindstrom
Shafer
Stacy
Rush
North Branch

Kohls - R rep.paul.kohls@house.mn
313 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Watertown
Waconia
Belle Plaine
Cologne
Chaska
Carver
Hamburg
New Germany
Norwood Young America
Mayer
Victoria

Kranz - DFL rep.scott.kranz@house.mn
411 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Blaine

Lesch- DFL rep.john.lesch@house.mn
537 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

St. Paul

Lillie - DFL rep.leon.lillie@house.mn
353 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

North St. Paul
Maplewood

Olin - DFL rep.dave.olin@house.mn
593 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Grygla
Holt
Halma
Humboldt
Hallock
Middle River
Donaldson
Karlstad
Lake Bronson
Lancaster
Kennedy
Strandquist
St. Vincent
Roseau
Roosevelt
Greenbush
Badger
Thief River Falls
Strathcona
Warroad
Newfolden

Paymar - DFL rep.michael.paymar@house.mn
543 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

St. Paul

Sailer - DFL rep.brita.sailer@house.mn
577 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Shevlin
Park Rapids
Goodridge
Kelliher
Gully
Trail
Blackduck
Funkley
Leonard
Gonvick
Solway
Tenstrike
Clearbrook
Bagley
Turtle River
Wilton

Simon - DFL rep.steve.simon@house.mn
375 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

St. Louis Park
Hopkins

Smith - R rep.steve.smith@house.mn
253 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Medina
Minnetrista
Maple Plain
Independence
Mound
Loretto
Plymouth
Spring Park
St. Bonifacius

Westrom - R rep.torrey.westrom@house.mn
277 State Office Building
100 Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55155

Alberta
Alexandria
Ashby
Barrett
Brandon
Chokio
Donnelly
Elbow Lake
Erdahl
Evansville
Forada
Garfield
Hancock
Herman
Hoffman
Homes City
Leaf Valley Township
Kensington
Melby
Millerville
Morris
Norcross
Wendell

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340PD
March 11, 2008, 07:46 PM
Thank you for your efforts.

johninminnesota
March 12, 2008, 03:34 PM
If you can, please get involved by calling or emailing some of the DFL'ers with a request to get on board. Keep it positive and point out that we who deserve this protection are not violent offenders. Violent offenders also don't have permits to carry, and we don't have a rap sheet. This is to PROTECT our rights to defend ourselves from those who don't care about laws.

From a friend who knows the system:

Your bill is at the very bottom of the list so it will definitely not be at 12:30pm sharp. Depending on how many people show up to argue and testify for the previous bills, it could be much later and apparently, in a different room in the same building. If there are a lot of people expected to show up, there is very limited seating so if you want to sit or even get in to the room, it may be a good idea to get there early although if they switch the room, it is first come first serve. If you are not testifying and there are no identifying characteristics of your supporters, there is no way for the committee to know who is there for which side except when you cheer and boo the testifiers. The chairman might get a little annoyed but they are only one vote and they give numerous warnings. There are 19 members of this committee and the bill has 8 co-authors on the committee (7 GOP, 1 DFL) so you need to only convince 2 more to get it through committee which is the good news, the bad news is that you already have the support of every Republican on the committee so that leaves no rational thinkers left and the one DFL on your side is in his first term and thus has no power so you will need some luck. You should be focusing on the remaining DFL members on the committee and finding people in their district to call on behalf of the bill (I listed them below, the ones with a star you have as co-authors). Not having the support of the chairman can be sort of rough as they decide how long people testify and make the rules. This especially sucks because it is the end of their day and they want to leave.

THURSDAY, March 13, 2008
12:30 PM
Meeting Time Note: The committee will recess at 2 p.m. and reconvene if necessary immediately thereafter in 500S State Office Building.
Committee: Public Safety and Civil Justice
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Joe Mullery
*** Note: *** Change in Agenda
Bill(s) Added
Agenda: HF2095 (Eastlund) Peace officer reciprocity licensing exam eligibility criteria modified to include persons in active military service;
SF2379 (Dill) Reestablishment cost limit provisions amended;
HF2955 (Simon) School background check requirements modified;
HF2970 (Drazkowski) Motorists required to move to far left of roadway before passing road maintenance workers;
HF3101 (Bigham) Domestic abuse no contact order violations criminal penalty increased;
HF3281 (Dill) Snowmobile training provisions modified;
HF3367 (Pelowski) Relating to data practices; specifying access to disputed data; requiring closed meetings to be recorded; granting attorney fees in certain cases;
HF3396 (Simon) Hearing time requirements modified and clarified, prehearing discharge exception provided for commitment petitions involving mentally ill or sexually dangerous persons;
HF3441 (Bigham) Civil immunity extended to municipalities that donate public safety equipment;
HF3456 (Tschumper) Local government interstate assistance authorized for emergency services;
HF3521 (Loeffler) Independent living goals court findings required for children age 16 or older who are in an out-of-home placement;
HF3767 (Olin) Predatory offender written verification permitted for residence in another state;
HF3793 (Davnie) Student cooperation with educators policy clarified;
HF3974 (Dominguez) Domestic fatality review team continuation authorized;
HF3900 (Mullery) Misdemeanor penalty increase provided;
HF3995 (Mullery) Creating a gross misdemeanor for assaulting a utility employee or contractor;
HF699 (Nornes) Adult certification for juvenile violent offenses lowered to age 13;
HF498 (Cornish) Self-defense; use of force in defense of home and person laws clarified, self-defense and defense of home laws extended and codified, and common law duty to retreat eliminated.

Public Safety and Civil Justice
Committee Membership
2007 - 2008

Meets: Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12:30 p.m. in Room 10 of the State Office Building.


Phone Number
(651) area code
E-mail Address

Chair: Joe Mullery (DFL)
296-4262
rep.joe.mullery@house.mn

Vice Chair: Jeremy Kalin (DFL)
296-5377
rep.jeremy.kalin@house.mn

Lead-GOP: Paul Kohls (R)*
296-4282
rep.paul.kohls@house.mn

Karla Bigham (DFL)
296-4342
rep.karla.bigham@house.mn

Tony Cornish (R)*
296-4240
rep.tony.cornish@house.mn

Chris DeLaForest (R)*
296-4231
rep.chris.delaforest@house.mn

Tom Emmer (R)*
296-4336
rep.tom.emmer@house.mn

Debra Hilstrom (DFL)
296-3709
rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn

Mary Liz Holberg (R)*
296-6926
rep.maryliz.holberg@house.mn

Sheldon Johnson (DFL)
296-4201
rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn

Scott Kranz (DFL)
296-4226
rep.scott.kranz@house.mn

John Lesch (DFL)
296-4224
rep.john.lesch@house.mn

Leon Lillie (DFL)
296-1188
rep.leon.lillie@house.mn

Dave Olin (DFL)*
296-9635
rep.dave.olin@house.mn

Michael Paymar (DFL)
296-4199
rep.michael.paymar@house.mn

Brita Sailer (DFL)
296-4265
rep.brita.sailer@house.mn

Steve Simon (DFL)
296-9889
rep.steve.simon@house.mn

Steve Smith (R)*
296-9188
rep.steve.smith@house.mn

Torrey Westrom (R)*
296-4929
rep.torrey.westrom@house.mn

Standing Wolf
March 12, 2008, 05:59 PM
They mistakenly think that it will turn our cities and state into the wild west - just as they thought the Minnesota Personal Protection Act (permit to carry a pistol) would.

I think it's a bad idea to call lies "mistakes."

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