Best out of box 1911 under 1K?


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P95loser
March 12, 2008, 10:02 AM
What brand and model would you consider to be the most accurate, reliable, durable, and sweetest looking 1911 out of the box for under 1k? I am assuming it will be a Kimber, but I might be suprised!

I have never owned a 1911 and am interested in purchasing my first one. I will probably want a 4 or 5" barrell as this will just be a safe queen.

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sturmgewehr
March 12, 2008, 10:08 AM
Get a Colt, Dan Wesson, S&W or Springfield 1911.

I would avoid Kimber unless you can find an early Clackamas made one. The mass produced guns they hock these days have little, if any, quality control and most are horribly out of spec in critical areas.

Ala Dan
March 12, 2008, 11:32 AM
Smith & Wesson

I have a basic, stainless steel (#108282) S&W 5" 1911 that is both,
reliable and accurate; often times shooting groups as tight as my
much more expensive Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special 1911~! ;) :uhoh:

hanno
March 12, 2008, 11:37 AM
A vote, based on ownership, for Colt and Dan Wesson. I don't own a S&W but I've spent some time looking at them and a S&W 1911 is next on my list.

jdc1244
March 12, 2008, 12:08 PM
The Colt 01970 I own is just under $1000 and has been perfect out of the box; for that matter my Colt 01091 has also been perfect and Iím seeing them sold online for less then $700.

What can I say? I bought into the myth: A real 1911 is a Colt, the rest are copies, and so forth. I know itís a stupid reason upon which to base a handgun buying decision but itís worked fine for me.

Donít by a Colt, however, if youíre planning on making it a safe queen Ė Colts are meant to be used and life is too short.

P95loser
March 12, 2008, 12:11 PM
Yeah, let me explain that whole safe queen comment: I have a carry piece and I have a HD piece... so it would sit in the safe until I brought it out for plinking/target.

I just think there are a lot worse things I could invest in than firearms, and I gotta spend my money somewhere.

hanno
March 12, 2008, 12:16 PM
I just think there are a lot worse things I could invest in than firearms, and I gotta spend my money somewhere.

That is called proper thinking. :)

jsconnelly
March 12, 2008, 12:21 PM
I love my Colt Gold Cup. No failures in 5 years. More accurate that me. I clean it and I shoot it. More shooting than cleaning.

MICHAEL T
March 12, 2008, 12:22 PM
Iam packing a Colt. My last 4 new 1911 were 2 Colts and a Kimber. Kimber was replaced in 2 weeks with another Colt. So my answer is Colt.

xring44
March 12, 2008, 12:36 PM
I have a Colt, a kimber and a full custom, I haven't put that many rounds through (200) the Kimber, but it is a very accurate pistol, has funtioned flawlessly and being the CDP ll with alloy frame, I use it as a carry piece.
I do know of one Kimber safety breaking, Kimber fixed it in minimal time, and it was a shooter, he traded it off as soon as he got it back from Kimber.

On the other hand, I have a Colt Gold Cup that is only "fairly" accurate and absolutely dependable. I will be sending it to a qualified Smith for a barrel bushing fitted and possibly a barrel. Also on the list to have done is the slide to frame tightened somewhat.

I think you can get all you paid for in any manufactuers pistol, or less than you paid for with any manufactuers pistol. Luck of the draw.

Rod B
March 12, 2008, 12:40 PM
Colt GoldCup, bought mine in '91, functions flawlessly & highly accurate.:)

P95loser
March 12, 2008, 02:38 PM
Yeah, I was leaning towards Kimber because of the "tacticool" colors and materials, but a friend of mine has a Gold Cup and I remember him saying he loved it. I thought Gold Cups were over the 1k mark, so honestly I didn't even consider them.

It looks like some internet sites have stainless Gold Cups for around 850 shipped... that might be the way I go.

Guitargod1985
March 12, 2008, 02:43 PM
Another vote for Dan Wesson. The Pointman Seven and Commander Classic Bobtail are both excellent guns out of the box.

BAT1
March 12, 2008, 02:47 PM
If you can find a SA S/S Champ with night sights buy it. Mine has been flawless and very accurate for 700.00 used. Thats a couple hundred for ammo left.

12many
March 12, 2008, 02:52 PM
I am no expert but I recommend the Dan Wesson PM7. I spent a lot of time shopping. Gun Test Magazine gave it a great review.

Frandy
March 12, 2008, 03:06 PM
Another vote for both Wessons:

Dan Wesson and Smith and Wesson.

My DW is a pre-CZ DW and an absolute tack driver. My Smith is the basic model and not as accurate but also totally reliable and more than enough accurate.

Photos are fun!
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/KimSonORIG_greenbackground_right_no_serial_800.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/Smith_1911_with_Altamont_walnutgrips_Dec_2006_640.jpg

Hunter0924
March 12, 2008, 03:09 PM
Another vote for the Colt Gold Cup Trophy, and excellent Government Model.

Sergeant Sabre
March 12, 2008, 03:25 PM
Colt's Government Model.

M2 Carbine
March 12, 2008, 03:33 PM
Best out of box 1911 under 1K?
I don't know about the other brands, because I just keep buying Kimbers (5).:)

Under $1,000?
I got my $700 Ultra Carry out the other day since I hadn't shot it in a while.
As always my reaction was, "Man that's a fine gun".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KimberUltraCarry10yds7shts1hole.jpg

The $700+ 4 inch barrel Compact Custom is also a nice piece of machinery but a bit heavy.

Belgiboy
March 12, 2008, 03:49 PM
+1 for Kimber. My Custom Target II has been absolutely flawless, is very accurate and you can buy them for +/- $650 on Gunbroker. They are a very basic black, I put Hogue rubber grips (cheap) on mine and bought 3 Chip Mccormick Power Magazines (expensive) for it. I shoot it almost weekly and have no desire for another 1911 at this time. I'm actually leaving right now to put about 300 of my first reloads thru it, and I'm confident it is going to stay perfect.

Walkalong
March 12, 2008, 04:30 PM
Colt, Springfield, although I do love my Kimber, warts (FPB) and all. :)

I don't see another Kimber in my future, at least not a new one. Never say never though.

tblt
March 12, 2008, 04:32 PM
Kimbers are nice but they jam

CWL
March 12, 2008, 04:56 PM
SA Loaded model or a Dan Wesson will provide the best "bang" for your $1K bucks.

P95loser
March 12, 2008, 05:11 PM
You are all saying Dan Wesson- best bang for buck... what do you get on one of those that you won't on a Colt Gold Cup?

bluetopper
March 12, 2008, 10:05 PM
I don't know. Never owned a Gold (or any other color) Cup.

I just know my Dan Wesson Pointman 1 blued model is far more gun than what I paid for it used at a pawn shop. Never has it failed to run and is match accurate after many tens of k's of reloaded rounds.

.45&TKD
March 12, 2008, 10:33 PM
Kimber TLE is a good value if nights sights and front strap checkering is important to you. It is/was to me.

.45&TKD
March 12, 2008, 10:36 PM
I will probably want a 4 or 5" barrell as this will just be a safe queen.

It doesn't have to be a safe queen. The 5 inch makes a great CCW.

cornman
March 12, 2008, 10:46 PM
Smith and Wesson I would say, but I would never buy a 1911 for more than $500.

2nd 41
March 13, 2008, 08:21 AM
I bought a Stainless Gold Cup Trophy in Nov 07 for $1049. Worth the difference if your budget is $1000.
I'm considering a Blue Gold Cup Trophy. Less than $1000. You will not regret a GC.

My guns are safe queens. I take them to the range 1-4 times a month. Sometimes they sit for months. Doesn't matter...it's nice knowing they are there....and paid for.

sloo50
March 13, 2008, 10:10 AM
Dan Wesson. How about a CPO SIG GSR? 2 Quality choices.

Wes

weisse52
March 13, 2008, 10:25 AM
I vote Colt, A Colt is always the right answer. Gold Cup is sweet, a 70 series re-issue is GREAT.

SA makes a nice piece as well.

waterhouse
March 13, 2008, 10:37 AM
For a 5" gun I'll throw the STI Trojan into the mix. I like DW as well. My DW has a better slide to frame fit than my STI, but the STI has a better trigger.

My STI has also fed and cycled everything, even some slightly long and slightly short SWC powderpuff loads from when I first started reloading and didn't have everything set up perfectly yet.

I own 1911s ranging from $460 to $1500, but under $1000 I'd go with one of those two.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 10:40 AM
I guess I will have to send my Kimber back since it is "Horribly out of spec" and "Jams"... Oh wait... it doesn't.

Purchase what you want and don't listen to koolaid drinkers. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, pass on it.

Rinspeed
March 13, 2008, 10:45 AM
STI Trojan.

steelyblue
March 13, 2008, 11:00 AM
Go to an indoor range, rent a 1911. When you are there you will probably find other people shooting the very guns we're talking about. Express interest in their guns and they will usually offer to try theirs out. That's real shopping. When you buy your gun, don't forget to show it off here with pics!!!

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 11:08 AM
I guess I will have to send my Kimber back since it is "Horribly out of spec" and "Jams"... Oh wait... it doesn't.

http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=56857&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Frandy
March 13, 2008, 11:23 AM
You are all saying Dan Wesson- best bang for buck... what do you get on one of those that you won't on a Colt Gold Cup?

Well, in my case, I own a DW and Smith and paid less than a grand for each. But, I don't own a Gold Cup, so I can't say one way or the other about them.

mnw42
March 13, 2008, 11:35 AM
Colt.

ADKWOODSMAN
March 13, 2008, 11:46 AM
Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, Colt Enhanced, Springfield. They all serve me well.

Whitman31
March 13, 2008, 12:39 PM
I love my Dan Wesson Bobtail. Haven't played with much else under a grand. Used lots of Kimbers, seemed that the DW was a better gun for less money...

steelyblue
March 13, 2008, 12:50 PM
Kimbers are horrible, but mine is awesome:cool:

birdshot8's
March 13, 2008, 12:55 PM
i have been looking at the taurus 1911, why has this pistol not been recommended? Thanks.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 02:16 PM
Quote:
I guess I will have to send my Kimber back since it is "Horribly out of spec" and "Jams"... Oh wait... it doesn't.
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads...0&fpart=1&vc=1

Oh, wow... I guess you have a point... :rolleyes:

Or not, either way I hope it was worth your time.

Lookie here!
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=194244
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=4721
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=192661

See, I can do that too...


Edit* Touche' steelyblue, touche'.

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 02:35 PM
Nice try, but no cigar.

Go Google Larry Vickers, Hilton Yam, Hacktorn and Tim Lau. Let me know what you find out.

Meanwhile, if you would provide links to comments made by several master pistolsmiths saying Les Baer, Springfield or Dan Wesson are horribly flawed in most cases and are "more trouble than they're worth" I'll be content to say "you win".

jr_roosa
March 13, 2008, 02:50 PM
I've been having a long discussion with my gunsmith about this.

His recs for staying under $1000 are:

1. Taurus: all the bells and whistles, recent ones are pretty tight and don't need much work for target work, if any. Frames are IMBEL, which are apparently the same ones used by Springfield (per him...I've heard otherwise) so any custom work is easy. This is the only "out of box" suggestion from him.

These aren't out of the box, but might be interesting for staying in your price range:

2. Used Colt Government Model, pre Ser80: ones with finish wear but good guts go pretty cheap and can be made really nice for a minimum of work. Finish work is pretty cheap.

3. Custom build from a new frame: have your smith make anything you want. So long as you don't want any super high-end parts he said you can stay around $900 without much trouble. Maybe a little higher for a competition gun, less for a carry gun.

My thoughts are why not buy local? If I'm going to spend $1000, why not give half to a local guy for a used gun and half to keep your favorite local 1911 gunsmith in business?

I'd say see who the local 1911 gunsmith is and go bug him. Even if you get a new gun, he knows which ones show up in the shop with problems and which ones are a bear to work with. Plus if you have problems with your new gun, he's going to become your best friend.

-J.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 03:19 PM
Nice try, but no cigar.

Go Google Larry Vickers, Hilton Yam, Hacktorn and Tim Lau. Let me know what you find out.

Meanwhile, if you would provide links to comments made by several master pistolsmiths saying Les Baer, Springfield or Dan Wesson are horribly flawed in most cases and are "more trouble than they're worth" I'll be content to say "you win".

I don't need the opinions of "Master Pistolsmiths" to tell you that MY Custom II is not out of spec, nor does it jam.

My intent wasn't to get you to say that I win. I don't really care what YOUR opinion is but when you start bashing someones choice of firearm based on someone elses problem/articles that is where it becomes a bit wierd.

I can totally understand if one of those firearms was yours and you experienced the problem but to come on the internet and bash kimber based on someone elses opinion is silly. I have one, I have not had problems and yes, I understand that some kimbers fall out of spec and may jam... but show me a firearm that WONT jam and I will gladly escort you back to reality.

The fact is this. There are bound to be problems here and there but the majority of Kimber owners are completely happy with their purchase if they weren't Kimber wouldn't sell the numbers that they sell.

I could rant all day long about how ALL GLOCKS KABOOM but that simply isn't true. I could also rant on how EVERY XD HAS RUST PROBLEMS but it would be a rash generalization...

I choose not to make assumptions on things based on the drivel I read on the internet.

steelyblue
March 13, 2008, 03:45 PM
You cannot convince nice people who are hell bent on poisoning people against a particular firearm. You may be here for intertainment, social, and informative purposes, but obviously they are on a mission. Destroy Kimber! They are partaking in a losing battle, however. Kimber keeps on making far more money than they do.

BTW, I've never bought a brand new Kimber, so I have no stake in whether anybody buys one or not. As a company, I could care less whether they thrive or die. I buy used Kimbers because they are cheap($500-700), and I can get everything I want in a 1911 with them. Yes, I would rather have a Brown, Baer, or Wilson, but I am poor! You guys keep buying the new guns and I'll keep buying them from you when you're done with them.

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 03:47 PM
Conversely, I never said your Kimber did jam nor that it was out of spec. You put those words in my mouth. I said "many", not "all".

You claim there are many happy Kimber owners, I never said there weren't. There were happy Ford Pinto owners too. But that doesn't negate the fact that they were problematic, nor does it negate the fact many Kimbers (more than other 1911 makers) have quality problems. That's very well documented and not "internet drivel". Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and go "nah nah nah nah" doesn't mean that Kimbers don't have very real problems.

You have a good one, I'm happy for you.

But don't belittle those of us who have had more than one Kimber and had horrible experiences (yes, I'm one) with both the product and customer service. There are a lot of us out there, hence the poor reputation of Kimber.

You can discount the comments of people like Vickers and Yam, but to most of us we respect their opinions. Most in the gun community do as they are operators and world class smiths. What are your qualifications? Should anyone value your observation with one Kimber over theirs with many?

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt because said something unflattering about your favorite pistol.

SeanMTX
March 13, 2008, 03:51 PM
What about a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail vs. Kimber Ultra CDP II?

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 03:53 PM
You cannot convince nice people who are hell bent on poisoning people against a particular firearm.
Yes, if you say something uncomplimentary about a firearm you've had bad experiences with, you're "hell bent" on bring that firm down.

Talk about being melodramatic.

steelyblue
March 13, 2008, 04:06 PM
Get over it and move on. Quit living in the past. Don't buy a kimber! If I got a bad Kimber, I would never buy another. I had terrible problems with an SA 1911 and won't ever buy another. My problem is over.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
Conversely, I never said your Kimber did jam nor that it was out of spec. You put those words in my mouth. I said "many", not "all".

Actually, you said "Most"

You claim there are many happy Kimber owners, I never said there weren't. There were happy Ford Pinto owners too. But that doesn't negate the fact that they were problematic, nor does it negate the fact many Kimbers (more than other 1911 makers) have quality problems. That's very well documented and not "internet drivel". Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and go "nah nah nah nah" doesn't mean that Kimbers don't have very real problems.

More problems with Kimber is due to the fact that they produce three times as many 1911's per year as the number two 1911 company out there (Which happens to be Springfield).

You have a good one, I'm happy for you.

But don't belittle those of us who have had more than one Kimber and had horrible experiences (yes, I'm one) with both the product and customer service. There are a lot of us out there, hence the poor reputation of Kimber.

I am sure there are alot of you guys out there, but after working 7 years dealing with the public I can understand why some people get crappy service from warranty repair shops. 90% of the people I talk to on a daily basis have terrible attitudes.

You can discount the comments of people like Vickers and Yam, but to most of us we respect their opinions. Most in the gun community do as they are operators and world class smiths. What are your qualifications? Should anyone value your observation with one Kimber over theirs with many?

No, I never intended to get anyone to value my opinion over theirs but we are not talking about their opinion, we are talking about your opinion. You are allowed to form your own you know.

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt because said something unflattering about your favorite pistol.

Trust me, you didn't hurt my feelings but I think it is sad when a person can't ask a question about a firearm (*Especially Kimber) without someone coming in the thread and talking about how most of them are crap and they fall apart and they rust and they are all MIM and they jam and they make people drink koolaid and all that jazz.

Im sorry if my positive opinion of a firearm manufacturer doesn't fall in line with the rest of the internet but I tend to go off of my own life experiences rather than what johnny doe tells me...

There may be thousands and thousands of Kimber sold each year that will ultimately become a nice expensive paperweight but that is not yet the case otherwise they wouldn't sell 60,000 a year.

CWL
March 13, 2008, 04:28 PM
What about a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail vs. Kimber Ultra CDP II?

I own both so I guess I'm qualified to post.

I would choose the Dan Wesson over the Kimber. The DW is just built more 'solidly' than the Kimber. Better fitting of parts as well.

Kimber makes nice guns, but once a model becomes "popular" they let quality drop in order to meet the demand. -My Ultra CDP came NIB and went full-auto on the second magazine -bad sear. Went back to Kimber 3X before I gave up and used my local smith. Thumb safety still has too much play when disengaged, beavertail grip is so loose that it rattles (pistol frame gap was cut too wide), making it too loud for CCW. Yes, it is one accurate 3" gun, but still one I will always feel concerned over reliability.

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 04:46 PM
I had terrible problems with an SA 1911 and won't ever buy another. My problem is over.
Why did you post that? Are you hell bent on bringing Springfield down? :)

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 04:50 PM
Trust me, you didn't hurt my feelings but I think it is sad when a person can't ask a question about a firearm (*Especially Kimber) without someone coming in the thread and talking about how most of them are crap and they fall apart and they rust and they are all MIM and they jam and they make people drink koolaid and all that jazz.
So let me get this right, if someone asks a question about buying a firearm (any firearm) we're only supposed to say positive things? Or does this "only say positive things" rule only apply to Kimber?

Do you run around to Kel-Tec and Taurus threads screaming "don't say anything negative!!" too, or do you just feel so strongly about Kimber?

Tully M. Pick
March 13, 2008, 04:54 PM
So let me get this right, if someone asks a question about buying a firearm (any firearm) we're only supposed to say positive things?

Now you know the secret behind writing for a gun rag.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 04:59 PM
So let me get this right, if someone asks a question about buying a firearm (any firearm) we're only supposed to say positive things? Or does this only apply to Kimber?

Do you run around to Kel-Tec and Taurus threads screaming "don't say anything negative!!" too, or do you just feel so strongly about Kimber?

No, that isn't what I said. Not once did I say that you couldn't state negative things about a firearm but when you post information that was gathered by (Keywords coming up here, don't miss it.) OTHER PEOPLE it is just silly.

You stated that MOST kimbers have problems, how do you know this? Have you personally shot MOST kimbers?

State what YOU know. Your original post said nothing about what you have owned or what problems you had but yet you immediately stated for the OP not to purchase a kimber because MOST of them are out of spec.

You wonder why Glock shooters are such a rabid bunch? Its because they have to deal with ignorant 2nd and 3rd person account stories all day long.

There is nothing wrong with Glock but I bet you can't Google Glock without pulling up atleast one article about KB's... Does this mean that ALL GLOCKS KB? No, but you would think that if you were to ask a question when there happened to be no Glock enthusiasts logged on.

Get my drift?

*Edit, I don't own a Keltec or a Taurus therefore I have no opinion on them. I could tell you what other peoples opinions on them are but then that wouldn't be my place.

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 05:18 PM
No, that isn't what I said. Not once did I say that you couldn't state negative things about a firearm but when you post information that was gathered by (Keywords coming up here, don't miss it.) OTHER PEOPLE it is just silly.
Oh, now it's making sense. So you don't read Car and Driver, Guns and Ammo, Consumer Reports, or any other periodical when you're shopping for something? You have no experts in any field that you defer to when you're thinking of buying something new?

Larry Vickers is a top writer for many firearms publications as is Hilton Yam. So you're saying my posting their review of a product is "silly". Interesting. Thankfully not many people share your rather narrow view of the world otherwise we wouldn't have such a wealth of knowledge out there.

You stated that MOST kimbers have problems, how do you know this? Have you personally shot MOST kimbers?

Oh, I got that from those silly people at 10-8. I did paraphrase.

The issues stem from a variety of causes, to include (but is not limited to) chamber dimensions, feed ramp/barrel throat geometry, ignition parts quality (or lack thereof), extractor issues, and slide stop problems make the gun more trouble than it is worth.

Kimber chambers are typically so tight that I have to pound the pilot in with a mallet.

The symptoms you describe are not uncommon at all with the Warriors. It is not the magazine that is causing false lockbacks with your pistol. The slide stop is unstable, and may also need reprofiling to clear it for rounds left in the magazine AND the magazine itself. EVERY Kimber I've come across needs its chamber reamed.

Tim did say that "every" Kimber he's ever worked on was out of spec. I wouldn't dare hazard a guess as to how many guns he has worked on, but I think it would suffice to say far more than you or I have. But then you evidentially don't read articles authored by professionals so this has little baring on your perspective.

Ske1etor
March 13, 2008, 05:29 PM
Oh, now it's making sense. So you don't read Car and Driver, Guns and Ammo, Consumer Reports, or any other periodical when you're shopping for something? You have no experts in any field that you defer to when you're thinking of buying something new?

Never stated that either. But the OP didn't ask what Vickers, Yam and Steve the Pirate said about the Kimber. He asked what YOU thought of it.

Larry Vickers is a top writer for many firearms publications as is Hilton Yam. So you're saying my posting their review of a product is "silly". Interesting. Thankfully not many people share your rather narrow view of the world otherwise we wouldn't have such a wealth of knowledge out there.

No, but we would have alot less people being turned away from products because of what someone "heard".

Oh, I got that from those silly people at 10-8. I did paraphrase.

Oh, imagine that... you got your information from somewhere other than your own experience.

Tim did say that "every" Kimber he's ever worked on was out of spec. I wouldn't dare hazard a guess as to how many guns he has worked on, but I think it would suffice to say far more than you or I have. But then you don't read articles authored by professionals so this has little baring on your perspective.

Yup, he has definitely worked on more firearms than me... But only I have owned mine. You assumed that I never read articles by "Professionals". I read them just as much as the next guy but I also realize that everything you read on the internet or in a magazine should be taken with a grain of salt.

I can point you to a website full of UFO sightings and Bigfoot encounters if you need something else to believe in...

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 05:59 PM
I can point you to a website full of UFO sightings and Bigfoot encounters if you need something else to believe in...
So reading the literary works of acknowledged professionals, and citing them, is the same thing as believing in UFO's and Bigfoot in your opinion?

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to take you seriously.

P95loser
March 13, 2008, 06:04 PM
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS! My intent was not to start a pissing contest here... I have a genuine question and am trying to get opinions, and that is what they all are... OPINIONS. Please either calm it down or take it to a more private format.

12many
March 13, 2008, 06:42 PM
People love to argue and most everyone thinks their stuff is the best. No worries.

The STI Trojan keeps coming up and being great, but I have never tried it. One thing to consider is that it is a 1911 design but it is or can be had in 9mm. While maybe not a true 1911, the ammo is easier on the wallet than .45.

Rinspeed
March 13, 2008, 07:13 PM
So reading the literary works of acknowledged professionals, and citing them, is the same thing as believing in UFO's and Bigfoot in your opinion?

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to take you seriously




Please give it a rest with that link to the 10-8 forum. Every thread you post in that has anything to do with Kimbers you think it's the final word. Sure they know what they're talking about but Kimber produces over 50,000 1911s each year. If they were all dogs they wouldn't stay in business long now would they.

sturmgewehr
March 13, 2008, 08:10 PM
Rinspeed, it is you who needs to "give it a rest". We've been asked to drop it by the OP, so try to let it go - would ya?

JustinL
March 13, 2008, 10:16 PM
Well my only experience with a 1911 is my Para 14.45 LDA. Since I bought it in December ($820) I've fired several hundred rounds through it, though never more than 100 at a time. It has yet to malfunction and is very comfortable to shoot.

Hunter0924
March 13, 2008, 10:23 PM
Though I am not a moderator I feel sure if we cannot keep the thread on track and keep it from turning into a flaming war this thread could get locked with question unanswered.
Discussion opinions like gentlemen is what puts us above argumentative close minded individuals.

Scratchy
March 13, 2008, 10:35 PM
Taurus PT1911
spend the rest on ammo
Unless you need a "Name Brand"
If so $1000 ain't much

HisSoldier
March 14, 2008, 04:39 PM
Kimber, a great gun, doesn't jam, well made. They don't skimp like Springfield, Springfield doesn't even pin their ejectors in place, saved twenty whole cents per gun! I like my DW too, and it's a great value for the money.

1911NM
March 14, 2008, 05:05 PM
I bought the bottom of the line Kimber, the Custom II, and love it. Have about 5k rounds through it now, practice and competition. I did chuck the plastic MSH for an Ed Brown, but nothing had broken there, just wanted the EB MSH and magwell.

bdjansen
March 14, 2008, 05:37 PM
I'm trying to decide right now if I want to buy a Kimber Custom II or that new Ruger Charger. I really love the Custom II I've shot at my range. It's a pretty well worn gun too. That might work in it's favor though.

ForneyRider
March 14, 2008, 06:11 PM
Springfield Loaded Stainless with the new crossed cannon grips.

I used to think the two-tones were better looking, but all stainless Springfield with most any wood grip is a thing of beauty.

Mine has been super reliable, strong and accurate.

I blew it up with a double charge. I bought new grips, new spring and follower, adjusted the rear sight and was back in business. I have shot several hundred loads out of it since and I can hit bulls free hand at 25 yards.

Only thing I can think of dressing it up is Caspian Damascus Hammer.

hanno
March 14, 2008, 07:21 PM
Something else to consider about the Dan Wesson PM7 is that it hasn't been "lawyered" if that is important to you. That is, it doesn't have the firing pin safety found in the Series 80s Colts, the Swartz firing pin safety like the current Kimbers, or the mainspring housing lock like the Springfields.

Now, I have a Series 80 Colt so I am not passing judgment on the firing pin safeties (my early Kimber and DW don't have them) just passing on the info.

Wiskey_33
March 14, 2008, 07:46 PM
I had an OK experience with 2 Kimbers: a Tactical Custom II and a Pro Carry II. Would I buy another one? No.

I can buy a Dan Wesson for less money and get a better product.

jenrob
March 14, 2008, 09:39 PM
Kimbers are nice but they jam
I think this can be said for any gun.

I had a Kimber Ultra CDP had a couple hiccups in the first 200rnds. after that it ran flawless.

In between me and 4 other co-workers we put around 7000rnds through it 2 yrs ago and never had a problem other than when I loaded my loads to light and it wouldn't cycle.

It was very accurate for a 3in. an nice to carry.

gggman
March 14, 2008, 10:14 PM
Heck, for a thousand bucks you can probably find a used Les Baer.

jenrob
March 16, 2008, 05:21 AM
Heck, for a thousand bucks you can probably find a used Les Baer.

If you find a LB for a grand and don't buy it let me know. I'll buy another one for a grand.

cpermd
March 16, 2008, 07:47 AM
1970 Colt before 1976

sparkyguy
March 16, 2008, 07:52 AM
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/086897000/86897026/pix1427249093.jpg
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/086897000/86897026/pix1427249156.jpg
Got mine for under $700 NIB. Extremely accurate, reliable, feeds everything and purty as heck. Plus, it doesn't have the billboard on the slide like S&W or Taurus.

rotonui
March 16, 2008, 07:47 PM
I may get completely flammed for this, BUT: I bought a Taurus PT-1911 for under $600 for a "knockaround" 1911 to compliment my Kimber Pro Carry Ten II and custom Colt Delta Elite 1911's. After 1000 rounds with ZERO FTF / FTE and plenty good accuracy, the PT-1911 is my preferred CCW. It's not american, but it runs good, shoots good and has all the extras you usually find on a much higher priced pistol.

P.S. Before calling me names - you may want to look into Clint Smith's opinion of these pistols.

NWdude83
March 17, 2008, 07:52 PM
Best 1911s under $1,000

Single stack: Dan Wesson & Springfield

Double stack: Para

WJR
March 18, 2008, 02:53 AM
You cannot go wrong with either a Series 70 or 80 Stainless Colt.

WJR

R12GS
March 19, 2008, 12:56 AM
1911's are archaic old junk, get Glocks.











JK I love mine.

txgolfer45
March 19, 2008, 01:04 AM
STI Trojan. But a reliability package will bump it over $1000.

BroughtEnoughGun
March 19, 2008, 03:20 AM
Theres a lot of New Springfields and Kimbers for right under 1k...

Remember you pay for what you get. especially with guns.

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