I am looking at the following for a carry revolver. I would appreciate your insight in trying to narrow down the field. I am considering the Crimson Trace Laser grips as well. I'm not sure if they will fit on all of these guns or not. Thanks for your comments.
My apologies. Intended to list 442, 637, 638 and 642. It appears that the only difference between the 442 and 642 is the black finish vs stainless. Are there concerns about either of these finishes that I should consider? Thank you.
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Bearhands
March 12, 2008, 04:36 PM
I think you forgot "the following"?
Fear Night
March 12, 2008, 04:54 PM
The 325PD would make a sweet carry piece.
Old Sarge
March 12, 2008, 05:07 PM
A S & W 642 is on my short list.
Technosavant
March 12, 2008, 05:25 PM
The CT grips will fit any of the J frame guns. I'm guessing that's what you're considering.
.38 spl revolvers, aluminum frame
637- exposed hammer, but that hammer can snag
638- shrouded hammer, won't snag, allows SA firing, but decocking from SA could be dangerous due to the shroud.
642- DAO "hammerless", won't snag.
442- A 642, but black finish.
.357 J frames
640- like the 642, but all steel (heavier)
60- like the 637, but all steel (heavier)
340PD- very light, Scandium/aluminum frame and Ti cylinder
M&P 340- Sc/Al frame, but steel cylinder (IMO, probably a better pick than the 340PD). Either 340 will have absolutely punishing recoil with .357 loads.
M&P 360- like the 340, but exposed hammer.
There's a few other "classic" models similar to these, but that's the vast majority of the J frame ones. Of the J frames, I might lean towards the 638 or M&P 360 if I were out buying another CCW revolver.
But then, there's some Night Guards that might conceal reasonably well too (but not pocket). The 386 and 396 would be quite decent defensive revolvers.
Which ones did you have in mind, so we can get specific?
KentuckyBlue
March 12, 2008, 08:05 PM
I have edited my post to include the missing info. My apologies.
snubfan
March 12, 2008, 10:15 PM
642 w/ laser grips.You won't regret it.
Ichiro
March 12, 2008, 10:32 PM
Grips make a HUGE difference on guns of this size. Something a little bigger and fuller than the stock grips can make the gun 100% more pleasant at the range. If the extra size spoils your carry plans, however, then it's a moot point.
I had the old, hard-plastic CTCs on my 642, but sold them because they made the gun all but unshootable for me. The new CTCs are bound to be much better, but I've settled with the stock grips, pocket carry, and regular-pressure .38s.
Lightweight J-frames are an exercise in compromise.
Technosavant
March 12, 2008, 10:34 PM
Ah, ok.
As you said, 442 vs. 642 is just the finish. The 442 will show a more defined cylinder turn ring, the 642 will show burn rings around the charge holes on the front of the cylinder. Since both are aluminum, if the finish wears on the 442, you still don't need to worry about rust. IMO, it's just personal preference (well, there's availability; the 642 seems to be more plentiful).
The 637 could possibly snag on the hammer. Not that it will, it just might. To me, I don't know that such a possibility is acceptable in a CCW, especially when non-snagging models are nearly identical.
The 638, with its shrouded hammer, has the anti-snag of the 642 with the single action capability of the 637. While you won't likely be using the SA mode defensively, it is useful to see where a particular load prints in relation to the sights when practicing.
I have a 642, and don't regret it, but t'were I to re-do it, I'd probably go 638.
mustang 22
March 12, 2008, 10:38 PM
I had this same dilemma last year and price was an issue. I ended up buying the 637, so far I have been real happy with it. I like the light weight and ease of concealment. The exposed hammer could be a problem which I solved by placing my thumb over the hammer while drawing from my front pocket, as soon as the weapon clears the pocket my thumb returns to it's normal position for double action shooting or cocks the weapon for single action use. The 637 was also the least expensive of the S&W group. Granted it's not a match grade piece and not my favorite target gun but for ccw and self defence it does the job well. I am pleased with it.:)
Oro
March 12, 2008, 10:53 PM
I have heard the black over stainless isn't very durable - don't own one.
Also have "heard" that some of the clear coating on the alloys is touchy to cleaning solvents - e.g. - will peel.
I prefer all stainless for wear, and also the added weight for recoil control and follow-up. Put some finger-groove combats and a steel j-frame will handle like a K-frame with standard grips. My approach was to get a used 2" .38 Model 60 - a little extra weight to help with recoil, long-wearing, low maintenance stainless, and no lock to potentially fail a the wrong time.
ChristopherG
March 12, 2008, 11:27 PM
How do you plan to carry it? It makes all the difference.
Pocket carry, 642 (or maybe 638). If you get CT grips, they need to be the small ones to pocket carry.
Holster carry? Get a steel j-frame--a 60 if you're not concerned about the theoretical danger of hammer hang-up (I'm not), or a 640 if you are. The weight of a steel j-frame is not a problem in a holster.
Sir Aardvark
March 12, 2008, 11:44 PM
I carry a S&W 340PD with Crimson Trace 405 lasergrips.
I can not praise this gun enough - it is so lightweight that I nearly forget that I am carrying it.
It has its Pros and Cons:
Pros:
Incredibly lightweight - the first time I picked it up I thought it was a toy.
Cons:
Very expensive!
Brutal recoil with .357 magnum ammo - the Crimson Trace 405's really help with this.
For something that sits in my pocket all day, it can't be beat. The weight does make a big difference, but this is something that you'll have to decide.
Ala Dan
March 13, 2008, 12:10 AM
I own both, a S&W 442 and 642 .38 Special. The only thing I would be
concerned 'bout, is the fact the 442 will require more T-L-C; with some
periodic inspections, especially if carried daily under "hostile environment"
conditions~! ;) Properly done, the 442 will last just as long as the 642. :cool:
Doug S
March 13, 2008, 01:32 AM
I really think it's hard to do better for pocket carry, than a S&W 642 in a Mika pocket holster.
Boulder
March 13, 2008, 01:48 AM
+1 to 442 needing a little bit of TLC compared to the 642. My 442 cylinder will rust if there is moisture, even for a day. But, I prefer the 442 because I prefer darker guns. Ironically, more than half of my revolvers are stainless or nickel. I guess ultimately it depends on how/where you will carry.
Haywood
March 13, 2008, 08:39 AM
If I were startting out and had the cash, knowing what I know now, I would buy the 640 for IWB carry and back it up with a 442 for pocket carry. The 640 would have to be fitted with grips that could handle 357 recoil, because I practice with my carry snubs.
umc180gr
March 13, 2008, 10:15 PM
I just bought a 442, have not shot it yet but its a sweet gun. Plan to carry it as soon as I get my papers. Can anyone recommend a nice holster for a 442? I am thinking a clip to the pants kind of one.
Glock Holiday
March 13, 2008, 10:26 PM
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I carry an older Model 38-2 and I love it.
I love my 642 but as somebody else mentioned, be careful with solvents such as Hoppes # 9 on the finish. Use Breakfree CLP.
I carry mine in a Mika round-cut.
silverking
March 15, 2008, 08:02 PM
642--LG-305 CT round butt--Mika pocket holster--38 special+p Federal Hydra-Shok--good to go.
glockman19
March 15, 2008, 08:03 PM
I too own both the 442 & 642. The reason is they're great guns and I couldn't decide on what one so I got both. I will be adding a S&W 640 shortly.
I have not had any issues with ragard to finish on either gun.
I prefer the 442/642 to the 637/8.
lanternlad1
March 17, 2008, 02:39 AM
Had a 642, but my wife stole it. :rolleyes: I was so broken up about it, that I consoled myself with a Smith 940 (j-frame in 9mm). The 642 is great for carry, but the comparative weight of the steel j-frames is not that noticeable IMO. That said, I believe a j-frame is the perfect carry piece, not just BUG. It's what Mas Ayoob carries (442) BUT he also keeps an AR in his SUV - so I don't think he's worried.
Commander Crusty
March 18, 2008, 10:40 AM
So many people carry a .45 or a big 9mm for awhile, but then they end up REALLY carrying a little S&W revolver. I carry an Airweight (best combination of comfort and value), but could just as easily have chosen any steel frame 5 shot revolver (almost as easy to carry and certainly easier to shoot well).
As for the laser grips, OH YEAH!
If you have the money, you should buy them. Why? They don't hurt you at all, and have some powerful advantages: potentially better shot placement, especially on longer shots, ability to focus on the target, better understanding of trigger control and more.
I suggest you go to a BIG old gun store, handle everything from S&W, Ruger and Taurus, then buy what feel best. If you are recoil sensitive, rent some guns before you buy and see if, and how much, they hurt your hands.
Oh, oh, better idea!
Buy an Airweight 637 J-frame as a backup to your steel framed model 60 Smith! Put a little laser on the light one and a big laser on the heavy one. After all, you never know when you might stop by the range and need a gun for a friend to shoot!
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