Does being recoil shy come with age?
Being constantly slapped in the jaw and nose by your own thumb knuckle gets to be one of my least favorite ways to spend a few hours on a pleasant Saturday afternoon.
Maybe if I asked my urologist to give me some testosterone booster shots my willingness to shoot a 600 caliber Magnum Elephant Sniper rifle would come back!
March 14, 2008, 07:52 PM
Recoil seems to have a lot to do with the fit of the gun.
I notice it more in handguns - I've shot several snubby .357's and a few .44 magnums. They didn't seem that unpleasant to me but a Kel-Tec P3AT is the most painful gun to shoot I've ever had the misfortune to wrap my fingers around.
I don't blame you for going with a smaller rifle. It's probably cheaper to reload and shoot anyhow.
March 14, 2008, 10:35 PM
A co worker just bought a rem 700 in 338 ultra mag, bullets were $77 for a box of 20, he has had a muzzle break added, he is going to shoot it for the first time this week end, he is a little worried about the recoil of that first shot.
March 14, 2008, 10:46 PM
maybe i'm not understanding the issue here.
if you're paying in euros, suppressors are most likely available, no?
why give up on the whole caliber? seems like the path of least resistance would be to put a brake or suppressor on it. obviously, you already know those would help or you wouldn't have mentioned them.
what aren't you telling us?
also, if you're european, the price of lapua brass and bullets is probably a heckuva lot cheaper for you than it is for us.
March 14, 2008, 10:47 PM
The .338 ultra recoils 43 ft/lbs from the chuckshawks table. Good muzzle breaks can cut felt recoil in half. I wouldn't really worry about it to be honest. If he is, than doesnt someone make power level loads for it? Go with level one of two since it will be 30-06 level or .300 magnum, not super .338 ultra magnum.
March 14, 2008, 11:00 PM
"...Does being recoil shy come with age?..." Nope. One's size doesn't matter either. The load used, the stock design and a muzzle brake will aid in reducing felt recoil. Personally, I've never seen the need for a large calibre rifle.
"...my search for a 6.5x47..." Lapua and a custom built rifle seem to be your only options. Brass runs $99US per 100. $891US per 1,000.
March 15, 2008, 09:17 AM
Taliv yes suppressors are available, as are muzzle brakes. However the rifle I tried out didnt have them, and I wasnt about to go out buy these for a rifle I had only borrowed. I did have an AI rifle on order, which I have cancelled and lost money on.
Ammunition costs a heck of a lot more in the EU than in the US. Taxes are a part of the issue, also they seem to think if ammo is really expensive people would be less liable to shoot each other.
The other issue I had with the caliber is that it induced a huge flinch which would take some work and ammo to get over.
And finally since 90% of the ranges only go out to about 400 meters, it would be a huge overkill. Hence 6.5x47 seems like a better choice.
I have had my mind set on the .338 Lapua for a couple of years, and frankly it has been a bit of a dissapointment now.
March 15, 2008, 09:40 AM
Everybody can real macho and talk about .338 Lapua and .50 BMG's all they want while typing at the computer. Actually going out the range and shooting is a different thing.
I worked at a gun shop. The gun shop commando types would come in and buy a .500 S&W revolver or .458 Win Mag and brag about it. A year or two later they would traded in unfired, or only a round or two gone from the box.
I had a friend that owned two .50's. Sold both of them back to the shop unfired. Ammo was something like $4 a pop, and we could only find one place that was safe to shoot even in rural Indiana. Totally unpractical and unuseable.
I'm 57 and have learned over my life that pain hurts. I've gotten past the point of trying to impress anyone else at my own expense. I've shot about everything up to and including a .458 Win Mag and I use a 10 gauge for turkeys and geese. There's no way I'd touch off a .338 without a brake, and they're too noisy with one.
March 15, 2008, 10:12 AM
I shoot a .308 Win off the rest with moderate loaded 155gr handloads free recoil, also have shot 6mm PPC free recoil, thats letting the rifle slide on the baby powdered leather with no attempt to influence the rile by touching anything but the trigger and trigger guard. It takes about 20 rounds before the recoil starts affecting control and the groups start to open up.
Both of the rifles I stated have dead straight stocks no drop so they recoil back and not up.
Even with these mild recoiling rounds
After 1 session as described it would be hard pressed for any one not to
"FEEL" the recoil.
On the big boomer ,were it mine it would be on the "LEAD SLED" when sighting in.
Maybe taking that one hunting shot at T-REX I wouldn't feel it so bad as the blood would be "flowing" although I might have to see the chriopractor to have my shoulder reset!
March 15, 2008, 10:59 AM
but Afy, the recoil is quite manageable with the suppressor. you should at least try it with one. you might be completely comfortable with it.
March 16, 2008, 08:12 AM
Considering i still have ten rounds left....I just might. The issue is finding a suppressor that I can use.
I am sure even with a muzzle brake the recoil would become manageable though the noise might remain an issue.
The hiigh ammunition prices could be offset somewhat with reloading, but the basic question remains. Should I stick with the caliber for shooting at 400m or less 95% of the time? The 6.5x47 Lapua offers comparable accuracy at a much lower price point and would be more fun to shoot.
March 16, 2008, 11:39 AM
"Everybody can real macho and talk about .338 Lapua and .50 BMG's all they want while typing at the computer. Actually going out the range and shooting is a different thing."
the armalite AR30M shooting blackhills 300gr sierra bthp with a muzz-brake and a heavy scope is a pussycat, even from a bench.
i diss the dirty harry observation, one needs to know the human body's limitations. big thumpin long range loads should be launched from a platform that compensates for this.
the mega african calibers are another animal alltogether, as breaks/suppressors would adversly alter the handiness of the rifle.
March 16, 2008, 01:13 PM
Should I stick with the caliber for shooting at 400m or less 95% of the timeHeck no, go with a .308!
March 16, 2008, 01:15 PM
It takes a real man to recognize the limits of his own manliness.
March 16, 2008, 01:35 PM
i really like the 6.5x47 and the 6x47. i'd definitely pick those over the 338LM if i was primarily shooting at mid ranges for a dozen different reasons.
i'm just saying i've you've been lusting after a 338LM, don't trash your dream because you shot the thing w/o a brake.
March 16, 2008, 01:37 PM
take a look at products from this seller , they should "tame" the recoil of that "critter"
March 16, 2008, 05:01 PM
I still am lusting after the 338 and will continue to do so. I do need to find a decent range I can get out to as well to really strech the legs on the beast.
I also do know I can get both the brake and a suppressor, and be happy shooting it with manageable recoil.
The budget of for the rifle, initial brass, scope, assecesories and ancilliaries will remain in the kitty for the time being. Which is not an inconsiderate amount.
But for the time being... the hunt for a 6.5x47 Lapua begins. Am looking a Keppeler for an out of the box solution... any experience? I dont want to go down to route of a custom solution on a Remington 700 action et al, since that is incredibly expensive in Europe. Buying a Keppeler or an AI etc would be cheaper....
Heavy Metal Hero
March 16, 2008, 05:07 PM
Not man enough? A .300 Win Mag will almost anything you could want to do.
March 16, 2008, 05:11 PM
Already have one ... a nice SHR 970 that I need a new barrell for... have shot about 2K through it... and am now having accuracy issues.
March 16, 2008, 06:18 PM
"I wish it were just $60 was closer to 95 Euros"
"Ammunition costs a heck of a lot more in the EU than in the US. Taxes are a part of the issue, also they seem to think if ammo is really expensive people would be less liable to shoot each other."
as fast as the dollar is falling against foreign currency, i'm sure the exchange rate has changed since your posting.
but even so, with heavy taxation, the 95 euros sounds WAY high here across the pond. what flavor was the box in question, black hills or lapua?
maybe US export tarrifs came into play if it is black hills ammo?
for those curious, 95 euros X 1.576 exchange rate=$149.72 per box
March 16, 2008, 06:59 PM
yeah, at that rate, it would be cheaper for you to fly from europe to the mountain time zone, spend a week in a lodge, shoot your ammo up, and fly home.
March 16, 2008, 07:10 PM
Have you ever watched someone else fire off a few rounds from a certain rifle and noticed how little the rifle actually appears to push the operator? Then, when it's your turn to shoot, it feels like somebody driving a railroad spike in your shoulder with a sledgehammer!!! How can it look and feel so different?
Ive noticed the opposite, actually. They'll shoot, and it looks like someone punched them in the shoulder they move so much. Expecting pain, I give it a try and, while it stings a wee bit, it is by no means a punch. Yeah, it slaps like a barmaid, and yeah, a couple shots will likely leave a bruise there in the morning. But it's not -that- bad.
Biggest/best example I can think of is a semi-auto shotgun. I've seen full-grown and figured :-P men kicked about by 'em, and they kick little more than a .223 AR.
March 16, 2008, 07:12 PM
Oh, and what in the world is 6.5x47? You're not referring to the 6.5 Grendel, are you (6.5x39)? Or something else? Never heard of it, personally.
March 16, 2008, 07:13 PM
I considered a 338. Changed my mind. When it happens, I'm going straight to the 375 H&H which should complete my larger bore choices. It is low priority as I'm not headed for Alaska any time soon. Recoil, sure. I expect it. But I may not be man enough for sitting at the bench and banging away with it. In the woods, no problem.
March 16, 2008, 08:09 PM
I have both 300WinMag and 338WinMag along with a 375H&H and several other rifles...the worst recoil to me is with the 300WinMag, the others are not a bad nor is the flash as bad...possibly the 300 is overbore...I also shoot 7mmRM and 264WinMag...and they are just fine...I am getting a new 375RM
with the 23inch barrel...now that should be interesting...oh, I am 61...so age is not a factor in my estimation but gun fit is everything...get it fitted before you shoot it much...then make your decision...
March 16, 2008, 08:16 PM
if hunting AK is the driving force, get the 375HH. the 338LM was designed by the navy, and later lapua as a long range cartridge. not saying it won't work on mr. brown in an alder thicket, just not its strong suit.
with lighter bullets the 375 shoots nearly as flat to 300yds as any commonly used belted win-mag cartridge.
[.338WM and below caliber]
for moose or brownie you'll be required to book a guided hunt, and most of my guide friends in AK cringe at the thought of an unknown quantity client shooting @ 300yd distances anyway.
March 16, 2008, 10:13 PM
Afy: If you are just punching paper at up to 400m then .338 LM is way beyond what you need. A nice 6.5 would be ideal. 6.5x.284 is the hot F-class cartridge for up to 900m, althought 6.5x55 has a lot of charm too, especially if you're limited to 400m.
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