[Preacherman]

This is one of the most bizarre, twisted articles I've ever read... but it shows very clearly the radical-liberal mindset found in so many opponents of the RKBA. I'm posting it for that reason. Think of it as an extended version of the kind of arguments so often posted on www.democraticunderground.com ...

From SFGate.com (http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/):

George W. Bush Means Nothing

Note to self: The demons of sour conservatism cannot touch anything that truly matters. Just FYI

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Friday, August 1, 2003


You cannot reach me, Dubya.

Go ahead, ya smirkin' Texas lug, stumble around all scrunched and blank eyed and pseudo-manly, shove this country into a bloody unwinnable war and lie about all the reasons why, gouge the economy and ruin the schools and embarrass the nation every single day as you mangle grammar and meaning and truth. It doesn't really matter.

Go ahead, toss those useless $400 rebate checks to the depressed and jobless populace as some sort of bogus humanitarian gesture as you quietly force an increase in their property taxes to pay for your record-breaking deficit brought on by the tax cut no one wants. Ha. You are so cute.

There is so much more going on than you know. There is so much deeper understanding and wider knowledge and higher winking and you can't touch any of it. Do you know this? You need to know this.

You and your brethren are like this sticky toxic mist. You will burn off in the sun of awareness and orgasm and breath. This is what makes it so fun to watch, so magical and visceral, such a divine circus, a rich tragicomic pageant. Do you sense it?

By all means, hack away at the Clean Air Act so it allows millions more pounds of pollutants into the air every year. Slam gays and women's rights and call everyone in the country a "sinner," cut funding for AmeriCorps and the arts and the poor and nature conservation. Wow. The universe is so very proud. Do you hear it laughing? You're not even making a dent.

See, you cannot touch us. We are inured. You are merely hollow and sad and quickly, effortlessly forgettable the minute we step outside or get into bed with our lovers or laugh with friends or scream to the sky the lyrics to "Ballroom Blitz," always, always striving to taste the intense flavors of the collective dream state.

What, too vague? Too namby-pamby new-age tofu-licking pro-sex liberal? Too bad.

Because there is more meaning and content and depth and significance in a lover's moan and in a drop of wine and in a dog's wag than in anything you can conjure in your homophobic faux-cowboy Lynne Cheney-thick dream, honey. Get over yourself. We are on to you. We know you are made of nothing but spin and frantic gesticulations and scowls. Poke a finger into you and out pours only sawdust and sighs.

Hello, Senator Lott. You want to stick it to the environment, do you? Lick the tailbones of your corporate cronies in the auto industry and kill that recent bill that would've mandated a reasonable increase in fuel efficiency for thuggish belching SUVs in about 12 years?

You wish, instead, to snicker and sneer and give not one crap for the planet or our nation's terrorism-inducing dependency on petrochemicals? Kill that bill, senator. You go. Toss a bone to your Detroit pals. That is so sweet. Here's a karmic Post-It note: The gods would like you to right now realize, you have zero true effect. Barely a footnote. A blip. A flicker of quick pain and then poof, gone. Very sorry.

How about you, RIAA? You want a piece? You want to bitch and moan and attack individual music fans with your snide lawsuits and desperate paranoia and come scour my iTunes library and find out how I got my hands on free MP3s of the new Metallica and AFI and burned all that glorious chill electronica from Net-radio broadcasts using my glorious copy of RadioLover? Here is my phone number: 555-LICK. Bring it.

Here is my porn collection. Here are my divine sex toys and my lubricants and my leather strappy things and my collection of happy open-minded perversions and my active account at Blowfish.com and my tattoos and piercings and love of massage oil and vibrators and things that go ooooh in the night. Come on over, Mr. Ashcroft, I have something to show you.

You see, I know you're there, all of you. Sour politicians and conniving Wal-Mart execs and desperate reality-TV creators and gluttonous SUV manufacturers and poisonous garbage-food purveyors and all-'Murkin homophobes and the dumbed-down lowest common denominators and lip-twitching hyper-religious crusaders and anti-everything GOP lizard people, Rummy and Rove and Rice and Ashcroft and Dick, et al. I see you. We see what you are trying to do.

We feel you seething and churning and eating away at the soft rainbow underbelly of the culture, feeding on the weak and the poor and the ignorant, doing your utmost to lower the collective vibration and thinking you are somehow all-powerful and significant and invincible, the center of the sociocultural universe, when in fact you are but a strange and banal rash on the ??? of time.

I know you want to shut us down. I know you would love nothing more than if all resistance was mowed under and all perversions were bleached dead and all nuanced questioning of your malicious antihumanitarian agenda was numbed to the point of blind flag-waving psychopatriotism, one born of fear and misinformation and photos of the bloody mutilated bodies of Saddam's demon sons. Damn, you try so hard.

I have news. I have a revelation. It is timeless and ageless and nothing new and I hold no claims to it, but it needs to be repeated and shouted and deeply felt again and again and again, because sometimes you get a little out of control.

Here it is: You are immaterial. You are of zero nutritional value and are indigestible like corn and just pass right through. Do you understand?

There is so much more going on down here than is dreamt of in your bitter and small-minded philosophy. I, and millions like me, sense a more luminous undercurrent, a wider spiritual lens, a richer sensual mother lode.

We know that no matter how much you pule and spit and hiss and spank and crack down, no matter how many laws and how many restrictions and how many wars and murders and stabs at the heart of meaning and sex and divinity, you cannot touch what really matters, you cannot really have any lasting effect.

Oh, it might seem like you do. You can make daily life very grating and tiresome and make people sick with your chemicals and desperate with your slashing of jobs and guilt ridden with your hammering sin and pain and guns and fear.

We watch you spin and hype and rage and scrunch your face in intense bogus prayer aimed at your bitter and self-righteous and homophobic God as your testes wither and weep. Man, have you got gall.

Maybe this gives you the illusion of power and control. Maybe this makes you feel all phallic and handsome and virile as if your toupee isn't rank and askew and your slacks wrinkled and your children in rehab and your sexless wife popping Zoloft like M&Ms. Titter.

But here's the thing: You affect only the surface of things. You are like the little swarm of gnats you have to pass through on the path to the cool summer lake. You are the tainted oyster in the vast ocean of time and sex and love. You are a jagged pothole on the highway to hell and the broken step on the stairway to heaven. But you are not real. You give no light. You contribute nothing. Not where it matters.

But please, by all means, keep trying. Keep ripping away at the rich dense frantic fabric of this gorgeous inexplicable life. You represent all the dark threads, the ugliness and the tension and the low vibration and you are necessary to remind anyone who's paying attention of what to watch out for, what to methodically purge, what to use as easy leverage to vault forward.

Look. You cannot reach me. You are nowhere near. You have no true power and no true connection and have yet to make any sort of splash in the calm lake of open-thighed soul. But it's OK. We understand. After all, as the saying goes, the graveyards are full of indispensable men. And the divine only smiles, licks its lips, and shimmies on.

[Ol' Badger]

WOW! I don't even know what to say about that!. There some things I don't like about the man, but that stuff is all personal. Also the attach on religion at the end was distasteful.

[Quartus]

as you quietly force an increase in their property taxes


Odd. I must be out of touch. I don't recall any Federal property taxes. All the property taxes I've ever paid have gone to COUNTY and STATE services.


I must be ignernt.


:rolleyes:

[TheEgg]

This guy is so full of hate -- I hope he doesn't have a gun!

[Waitone]

Bizarre is an understatement.

This is well past hatred.

How often does Dubya check his six?

[Guy B. Meredith]

Morford is just a shock- jock columnist. He doesn't put out anything that he figures will not tick off at least 90% of the readers. I am not into gratuitous drama and so don't waste my time on his scribbling.

Can you say "Troll"?

[fish2xs]

...yep, and I bet this guy just loves a president who lies to a grand jury while under oath and obstructs justice.

[CZ 75 BD]

:rolleyes:

This is the attitude and belief that results from the Leftist position. It's time to take our nation back to the themes of our founders.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

That's only passably coherent. Even if you wanted to publish a President-hating screed, why that one? If anything it hurts the authors cause rather than help it.

[Minuteman]

CZ 75 BD: Sure, but where do we put people like Morford?

[Zundfolge]

When I read stuff like that, I'm really glad I own guns ... if that much hate ever gets into power, I fear I'll need them.

[Partisan Ranger]

Moford is a nutjob. I've read a few of his pieces and they are all ranting, overwraught orgasms of hate and 'deep thoughts' cloaked in metaphor. If you will notice, there isn't a fact in the piece. A 7 year-old could take this mess apart with ease.

About the only postive thing you can say is that the San. Fran. Gate only runs Moford on the Web. He's too around the bend for the dead tree version.

[Partisan Ranger]

And by the way, Moford truly loathes guns and gun owners. It amazes me that someone who fancies himself as so kind and compassionate could have so much hate in him.

[Mithrandir]

interesting rant... and considering its source...normal for them..

however.....

he does seem to have a serious problem with corn in his gastric system..

ya think???


out...

[Hkmp5sd]

IIRC, San Fransico just won the honor of being one of the top 10 cities in the country that are hostile to and mistreat the homeless. I guess the only thing they do like is Gov. Davis.

[Intune]

This is gonna sound sexist and I apologize to my sisters on this board but the dude sounds like a woman. I didn't notice his byline and dove right into the rant. His feelings are hurt. Awww, boo-hoo. Strap-on's? "Withering testes?" No, I take it back. He sounds like an angry woman. I would guess homosexual. That doesn't matter to me one bit but don't be a whiney homosexual. The whiney part is irritating. :barf:

[C.R.Sam]

Scientific breakthrough...
Head that talks without brain.

Scary tho that some few will find that pap palpable.

Sam

[MicroBalrog]

into a bloody unwinnable war


HUH?:confused: Didn't the US WIN the war on Iraq already? And didn't the US lose more people in D.C. than in Iraq?:neener:

This common for Democrats? Read my sig line.:D

[Partisan Ranger]

As I said, this is a fact-free piece, like all of Morford's articles. He makes a blanket generalization dripping with rage and has no facts to back it up. Example: 'worthless' $400 rebate checks. Oh, really? Did you go out and interview families of 4 in CA that have a mortgage to pay and really high taxes? I imagine that if you did some research, you would find many, many Americans who are quite pleased with having their tax burden reduced. But then, a ranting, homosexual leftist with no higher responsibilities other than to himself and his 'moaning' lover wouldn't know anything about this.

[Art Eatman]

I noticed the line, "You are like the little swarm of gnats you have to pass through on the path to the cool summer lake."

It seems to me that refers more to the scribbler than to its target...

And, actually, our own LawDog or Dr. Rob could do much, much better--and far more accurately. :D

Art

[longeyes]

This isn't thinking, it's wishful thinking.

All the metaphysical pabulum in the universe isn't going to change
the hard realities of things. Angry narcissism takes you nowhere.

It does make painfully clear what we are up against. Morford is far
from alone. I've heard echoes of these sentiments, too often, from
people I know. I think it's always good to be reminded of the depths of
irrationality around us, lest we get too optimistic about the struggle
ahead.

[tommytrauma]

One of my jobs (actually, both of my jobs, come to think of it) brings me in contact with truely mentally ill people on a regular basis. This little screed is very reminiscent of what I've come to expect from schizophrenics.

[Bruce H]

Being as how this is pointed straight at George Bush he should do something marvelous. Step into this guys office and deck him. Stomp around on him for awhile. While he is still conscious explain to him that free speach has responsibilities. Say what you want, but you better be accurate and prepaired for the consequences.

[Gordon Fink]

“What, too vague? Too namby-pamby new-age tofu-licking pro-sex liberal? Too bad.”

Pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?

Though he rants against them for over a thousand words, Mr. Morford writes that G. W. Bush, his handlers, and his cronies are unimportant. He may want to reconsider that sentiment. If we don’t pay attention to what our “leaders” are up to, in a few years this type of rant may well be called “sedition.”

~G. Fink

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Moford is a troll of gigantic proportions; it's a shame I share a city with him. He gives those that trash talk SF and Cali way too much ammunition (pun intended of course).

[jsalcedo]

I'm going to have nightmares now after reading that crap.

Moford should really get into writing surreal slasher flicks. I think thats his bag.

[Sam Adams]

Here's another candidate for an anger management class!

A couple of thoughts: if Bush, et al are so unimportant, then why did he waste his time trying to tick off Bush supporters? How many of us try to piss off insects, which are generally not considered terribly important creatures?

Of course, that tiny logical inconsistency only scratches the surface with this guy. I'm not even going to try to rebut any of what it says - the thing speaks for itself. I'll just say that he sounds like someone who is very drunk or high on something. The fact that he sat down to write this screed is amazing - I could half understand it if someone in a fit of rage said this to my face, but he sat down and thought about it; he edited this crud - I can just imagine what it was like as a first draft!

That all being said, I hope that this is published far and wide, as a prime example of the thoughts of a liberal Democrat. It will do wonders for the Republicans next November.

[Quartus]

This little screed is very reminiscent of what I've come to expect from schizophrenics.


Bingo.



And the same is true of all the leftists - it shows more with this one, but they're all "reality challenged". Think about it - that's the BASIS of their philosophy - the proposition that there are no absolutes.

[DRC]

There isn't anything out of the ordinary about this article. Liberals cannot compete in an arena of ideas so the only thing they have to hang on to is the old mantra of calling conservatives "stupid." Liberals have been using this tactic for years and if you look back on history you will find that most of the greatest presidents this country has ever had were "stupid," "incompetent," "out of touch," and "ignorant"...oh and let's not forget "dumb" unless of course they were liberal Democrats in which case they were the greatest thing since sliced, individually wrapped, American cheese :)

So don't be alarmed but rather look at it for what it is, the writers inability to compete in an arena of viable ideas.

Take care,

DRC

[Khornet]

Fella needs to get some help with that tic.

[Dorrin79]

Morford's so obviously insane that his "columns" approach some sort of postmodern art form.

I think he's funny, until I remember that he gets PAID MONEY to write that drivel.

:rolleyes:

[Standing Wolf]

Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites—and generally abominable writers into the bargain.

[Guy B. Meredith]

To repeat, for those of you who are not familiar with Morford, his purpose in life is to be a troll. He does not intend that any of his writing should approach reality. That is his schtick; roil the waters and tick everyone off.

Don't bother putting yourself in danger of a heart attack or gastric damage by pretending that Morford's stuff is intended to be anything but frothing drama. Just a simpering wanna be.

[Khornet]

Tourette syndrome.

[dance varmint]

The vilest demon from the ninth circle of Hades could scarcely have spewed anything more foul and putrid than this cannabis-induced paroxysm of rectocranial liberalism.

[MicroBalrog]

Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites—and generally
abominable writers into the bargain.

Thank you.:evil:

[Boats]

I would just like to take a moment and point out that good writing is rare, irrespective of ideology.

Orwell was a socialist, and one of the best writers ever.
Hemingway was full of clashing ideas, but also a fantastic minimalist master of crafting English sentences.

Maybe the Spanish Civil War concentrated the minds of these two? Perhaps Morford needs a lot of danger in his life to get rid of his turgid writing problem?

Whatever the case, there is a lot of bad "conservative" writing out there. I see it everyday on this very forum.:D I am responsible for some of it myself.

We should all strive to be anti-Morfords stylistically speaking.

[Quartus]

rectocranial liberalism.



Eliminate and get rid of redundancy.



Actually, I think you meant to say "rectocranial inversion", which is the same thing as "liberalism".

[MicroBalrog]

Actually, I think you meant to say "rectocranial inversion", which is the same thing as "liberalism".

Ahem...:fire: :fire: :fire:

[jsalcedo]

Liberalism seeks to reward the unproductive with wealth taken by coersion
from the productive members of society.

This teaches the unproductive people that there is no reason to move into the workplace and to believe they are entitled to other peoples money.

Redistribution of wealth dilutes the power and viability of the working class.

[MicroBalrog]

Liberalism seeks to reward the unproductive with wealth taken by coersion

Actually, liberalism recognises the necessity of creating a certain safety net into which the unlucky may fall. The overgrowth of the welfare state is neither here nor there.

[Quartus]

Personal freedom and "safety nets" don't go together. The growth of the welfare state is a foregone conclusion when you start with that (well meaning, but) flawed premise.


Freedom to fail (and pay the consequences) is the flip side to freedom to succeed. Take one away and you take the other with it.

[MicroBalrog]

Would be right, except:

Humans reproduce.

[jsalcedo]

They reproduce and let them fall into the net. The children grow up on welfare and know nothing else.

the safety net is more of a spiders web.

[MicroBalrog]

On the other hand, imagine no welfare AT ALL: people who lose jobs, and their children have to starve/miss out on education, and get stuck in the circle of poverty.

[Quartus]

On the other hand, imagine no welfare AT ALL:


Oh, I don't have to. I can look back before the welfare state and see private charity and family taking care of things. Or the local community. And yes, some people did have hard times. Nothing like what the current welfare state has CAUSED, though.

Never had 4 and 5 generation welfare families then.

That's COMMON these days. Like so many liberal ideas, it SOUNDS nice, but the results are disaster.

[MicroBalrog]

Nothing like what the current welfare state has CAUSED, though.

Reduce it; reform it. Don't throw the baby with the bathwater.

We Jews have used welfare taxes to feed the poorest in our communities for centuries, and it worked fine.:D

[jsalcedo]

Private charity is alive and well.

All the money used on wasteful welfare programs could be redirected to churches,private shelters and food banks

[MicroBalrog]

All the money used on wasteful welfare programs could be redirected to churches,private shelters and food banks

Why not have non-wasteful welfare programs?


Besides, it COULD be diverted. It almost certainly wouldn't be.

[bad_dad_brad]

Odd. Not a fact in the article. Want to get a point across? Use facts.

Personally I think the guy was smoking something when he wrote this or was high on a Jack Daniels bender.

[longeyes]

The problem with safety nets is that they eventually become snares.

[MicroBalrog]

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, right? :D
Keep watch, and they won't become snares.

[Bruce H]

The problem with the current welfare system is simple. When congresscritters discovered this large voting block they salivated. All they had to do was sweeten the pot occasionally and they had a locked in voting block. They kept sweetening the pot until the cost became enormous. Wanting to keep their jobs they still find ways to sweeten. Term limits would be a very large help.

[Duncan Idaho]

Humans reproduce. Yep. Fraud artists often revert to that one.

One of the names for that type of con game is "Ponzi scheme".

From the Securities and Exchange commission website:


Ponzi schemes are a type of illegal pyramid scheme named for Charles Ponzi, who duped thousands of New England residents into investing in a postage stamp speculation scheme back in the 1920s. Ponzi thought he could take advantage of differences between U.S. and foreign currencies used to buy and sell international mail coupons. Ponzi told investors that he could provide a 40% return in just 90 days compared with 5% for bank savings accounts. Ponzi was deluged with funds from investors, taking in $1 million during one three-hour period—and this was 1921! Though a few early investors were paid off to make the scheme look legitimate, an investigation found that Ponzi had only purchased about $30 worth of the international mail coupons.

Decades later, the Ponzi scheme continues to work on the "rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul" principle, as money from new investors is used to pay off earlier investors until the whole scheme collapses.


All fraud artists eventually run out of dupes to scam.

Europe is in the throws of it right now. Their population is aging. There are fewer and fewer young people that want to work hard only to be robbed of the fruits of their labor, and so everyone with a brain in their head just stands around waiting for their handout. A person would almost have to be mentally ill to bother to work in that society.

Why work? Humans reproduce. Let the young and stupid pay the freight. It will work for a while...hopefully, just long enough to get elected again.
:rolleyes:

[longeyes]

Helping the young, the infirm, and the elderly makes sense when there
is respect for the strong and social cohesion. Unfortunately, the
modern welfare state appears to envy and despise the able and be hell-
bent to fragment itself into atomized cultural enclaves.

That said, we could afford a safety net if we were able to jettison
the vast cargo of government programs that have no essential purpose
than to provide welfare for the middle- and upper-middle bureaucratic
class.

[MicroBalrog]

Duncan: read my previous posts.

[Duncan Idaho]

Duncan: read my previous posts.I have. You already know what I think of them.

[Don Gwinn]

Good lord. That's not even a good rant. That's just plain nonsense. You could write that about someone I hate with a passion and I'd still have to ask if you were feeling OK. Inbreeding and narcotics do not mix.

[HBK]

The guy is a nutcase...full of hate. I wouldn't bet highly on his future.

[Waitone]

You can always find unhappy, raging people who don't approve of something for some reason. Generally they are self-isolated from better adapted society. It disturbs me the ranter apparently has a full time gig writing out his pathologies and then having them printed in a first string national newspaper.

Perhaps some scorned needs to be directed toward the organ publishing his screed.

[Sean Smith]

Show this article to kids so they don't do drugs.

[Tamara]

IIRC, San Fransico just won the honor of being one of the top 10 cities in the country that are hostile to and mistreat the homeless.

Oh, I don't know about that. In most cities he would have just had to yell that screed at passing motorists while his bathrobe fluttered in the breeze and clashed horribly with his tattered shoes and Santa Claus hat; in San Francisco, he can apparently get it published. ;)

[Duncan Idaho]

Oh, I don't know about that. In most cities he would have just had to yell that screed at passing motorists while his bathrobe fluttered in the breeze and clashed horribly with his tattered shoes and Santa Claus hat; in San Francisco, he can apparently get it published.LMAO

[dance varmint]

Say, this author must have been a good friend of Jihad John Walker when he was back in the bay area before joining the Taliban. The area seems to be littered with this type.

[Khornet]

You're not talking reality. In a society where the recipients of welfare (of all kinds, corporate included) can vote and lobby, all govt. handout programs will enlarge and metastasize without fail. As long as politicians can buy votes (and that's all the handout programs are: vote-buying mechanisms) by taking from some and giving to others, it will go on and on. It cannot be reformed unless human nature changes.

But then, that's the core flaw of liberalism (today's liberalism, not classical liberalism as found in the Constitution): it refuses to recognize human nature, or thinks it can be changed.

"He who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul."
George Bernard Shaw, I believe.

[Beorn]

Know what though? I kinda liked his beatnik prose. Pity it was even more vacuous and nonsensical than a Jack Kerouac through-composed diatribe.

But then again, I am an artist (retired):)

[clem]

"The guy is a nutcase...full of hate. I wouldn't bet highly on his future."

I'll bet the Secret Service is vectoring in on him.......and soon.

[Crimper-D]

Gives Literacy a bad name! :rolleyes:

Thorazine indicated here, I think:fire:

"We are inured." - Yes, 'we' are... To Liberal folklore and vitrol.:barf: :neener:

[faustulus]

I like him, he's silly. :)

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

Lessee, we need a greasy, unshaven, alcoholic, totally unskilled saxophone player who wears a peace-sign and sunglasses at midnight, and a black-beret'd, turtleneck-sporting, heroin-addicted, clove-smoking, dubiously-talented, unwashed bongo-drummer to back this guy up on a ramshackle stage under a dim blue light bulb in an after-hours coffeeshop full of stale cigarette smoke whilst he reads his written-on-old-gas-station-used-paper-towel-refuse-bin-fish-outs performance-art pieces with FEELINGS of truly righteous disgust.

(How's that for an image? And a sentence?)

"Yer naked dirt stinks!...", etc./bull-$#!+/what-have-you.

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Cheese-is Rice! Wotta clot!

[Valkman]

stumble around all scrunched and blank eyed and pseudo-manly

gouge the economy and ruin the schools and embarrass the nation every single day

I thought he was talkin' about Gray Davis there for a second!

You'd think this guy would be all fired up at Davis since he's sent the state down the toilet, but I guess the libs have to stick together. Argh - San Franciso - I'm even embarrassed to say I was born there. :uhoh:

[jimpeel]

Oh, migawd! It's finally happened! A thousand monkeys pounding on a thousand typewriters have actually created an opinion piece!!

[tyme]

I suspect it was just a misappropriated worm. They normally go into the SFGate vending machines (cretins have to eat, you know), but this one must have escaped and made its way into the printing area, a la the catalyzing bug in Brazil. This worm must have been rather large to be responsible for all that "ink."

[Schuey2002]

In most cities he would have just had to yell that screed at passing motorists while his bathrobe fluttered in the breeze..
After reading this article, I highly doubt he owns a bathrobe.. :p
shove this country into a bloody unwinnable war
Two words..

Clinton. Somalia.

:rolleyes:

[igor]

Duncan I., Europe isn't a federal entity (yet?). It's not "that society", there are all kinds of societies with mostly any form of government and phase of demography in it.

What ticks me off is this perspective on the non-US world where entities are mixed and matched with strokes like in a three-year-old's coloring book. That's one of the things that make for instance W look dumb - the longest bit abroad he'd been until president of the US was Washington, D.C.

That is the prerequisite to his view of the world and that's what anything he does or says is interpreted. And, obviously he's not alone. Get educated, :cuss: !

And don't bother feeding me the stale "we're so big and bad and will whup anybody's ??? big time if they p155 us off so I don't need to actually know anything beyond <enter rural state name here> and my own navel". You'll only become a case in point.

As to the original rant, the troll seems to thrive... one coherent point to make of it would be the religion thing. Feeding off quasi-religious polemization is equally disgusting no matter who does it to which end. :barf:

[Khornet]

Know what ticks me off?

The European ignorance about the United States.
How they only have one way of seeing us: as the ingnorant, unlettered bully.
How they sum up Bush's character completely on the basis of his travel history.
How they tell us to "get educated"....in what? How to defeat communism? How to develop the computer? How to go to the moon? How to develop most of the world's new drugs and cutting-edge medical care?

I had a most interesting exchange with a Swiss gentleman who gave this this exact kind of nonsesnse over a column I wrote. Told me to learn about the rest of the world, get educated. I had to tell him that holding an opinion which Europeans dislike does not correlate with education or experience of the world, seeing as how I speak French, Spanish, and a smattering of Italian, have a doctoral degree as well as a business degree, am half Costa Rican, have visited Latin America, Spain, France, and Italy, and know more about European history and politics than most Europeans I meet seem to know about America.

After the man calmed down we had a very nice conversation. He's a teacher, and pretty learned. Get this: he was surprised to find that I live in the Northeast and have a medical background. He thought because of my conservative views that I was a Baptist from the South, a bible-thumping fundamentalist. Who's ignorant about who?

[igor]

Khornet, we seem to have a common grudge going in opposite directions. Too much generalization will obliterate any room for discussion, so let me clarify that it wasn't my intention.

I most certainly don't have only one way of seeing anything, don't sum up Bush's character solely on one basis nor try to tell you to get educated, as you obviously are. I was addressing an earlier case who was exactly in point.

Europe is in the throws of it right now. Their population is aging. (...) A person would almost have to be mentally ill to bother to work in that society. The context tells more than the actual wording.

A bit elaboration on getting educated... the likes of things you brag about I could too, and make a good point on my country being at least as innovative as yours in relation to size and environmental factors, but that'd be a case of "my dad's hairier than your dad".

Getting educated beyond the point of broad generalizations and disruptive criticism based on wooden-eyed, often pseudo-religious notions and forced, value-loaded categorizations just would mean that we could discuss things on both sides of the Atlantic and beyond on an analytical basis and exchange in a positive way. I just can't help seeing that the prevalence of the former here and elsewhere, including W, stands in the way.

Which somebody, no doubt, will prove shortly along the lines of "we have nothing to learn from backwards socialist euro-trash". :rolleyes:

Sorry about the thread hijack in the works. I'm prepared to take this to PM with anybody capable and willing.

[Tamara]

shove this country into a bloody unwinnable war

Two words..

Clinton. Somalia.
:rolleyes:

Maybe you want to do a little research on which President "shoved" us into Somalia. (It wasn't Clinton...)

I know the guy is a loathesome piece of slime, but it hurts our credibility when we blame him for everything from the stock market crash of '29 to the sinking of the Lusitania...

[Marko Kloos]

The Marines hit the beach at Mogadishu when Bush the First was in the Oval Office.

Saying that Clinton is responsible for Somalia because he didn't pull everyone out the day after his inauguration is like saying that Richard Nixon is responsible for getting us into the Vietnam mess.

[XLMiguel]

Moford: Too much acid as a child?!?:banghead:

[Duncan Idaho]

I most certainly don't have only one way of seeing anything, don't sum up Bush's character solely on one basis...Which is why you did, right? LMAO

Hey there igor, since Bush is dumb (you said so, so it must be true), then tell me Mr. Socialist, how does it feel to be politically defeated by a dummy again, and again, and again.....Which somebody, no doubt, will prove shortly along the lines of "we have nothing to learn from backwards socialist euro-trash". Well, I for one would never say that. I think that if anybody really wants to learn what it is like to spiral from a 1st or 2nd rate country into a 3rd rate country, then studying "backwards socialist euro-trash" - as you call them - would be an excellent start.

In my travels abroad, I heard countless people tell me how much they wanted to live in America. As soon as I hear one person say how much they would like to live in Suomi, I'll be sure to let you know.

[grampster]

The guy is in serious need of surgery.......The name of the medical procedure is an "Eyectomy". The purpose is to delete the nerve that runs from the eyeball to the sphincter. The result is the removal of one's crappy outlook on life.

:D :evil: :neener: :what:

[igor]

Duncan, it's getting crowded behind the sauna... :scrutiny:

[Butch]

Tin foil hat time!http://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbsmiley.gif

[Duncan Idaho]

Duncan, it's getting crowded behind the sauna... Is that supposed to mean something? Is that a Suomi euphamism regarding your country's phenomenal suicide rate? Help me out here. :confused:

[jimpeel]

Saying that Clinton is responsible for Somalia because he didn't pull everyone out the day after his inauguration is like saying that Richard Nixon is responsible for getting us into the Vietnam mess.What was the problem was not the fact he left them there, as you state, but the fact that he failed to provide the necessary materiel that was requested and never delivered. People who were there died because of Washington's retiscence.

As for the battle itself it was the efforts of the United Nations, when they took over, that caused the problem. They insisted on capturing Aidid (sp?) and disarming everyone; while the Americans, when they were in charge, merely went about distributing foodstuffs to the populace.

I knew a guy who was there when all of this was going on. He said that when the effort first got under way, they were doing the disarmament thing as they distributed food. He said that as they moved to the next village, the previous village's elders would approach them for more food. When they told them that they had just given them food, they told the Americans that the gangs had come right behind them and stolen it away.

After this, the Americans started making sure that they left one firearm in every home and this activity came to an abrupt halt. Everything was copesetic as long as the Americans were in charge. Once the UN took over, the whole thing went to Hell in a handbasket.

[igor]

It's a recycled euphemism that has to do with ignore lists...

This never was about "my continent is better than your continent" or "my dog's bigger than yours". I rest my case. :banghead: :mad:

[Stickjockey]

About halfway through this -er- missive, a definite sexual subcurrent develops. Freud would have a field day...:uhoh:

[LawDog]

This one is closed for veiled insults, general discourtesy, and lack of civility towards other THR members.

Lights out.

LawDog