Intruder Shot During A Frightening Home Invasion


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SLCscottie
March 16, 2008, 12:38 AM
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=98dfdfdd-3368-441c-9a7f-16ec9ea106f5

A man shot an intruder in the stomach after the suspect attacked his girlfriend in her South Salt Lake home.

The woman was sleeping in her home in Mountain Shadows Apartments on 3900 south and 700 west, when around 5:45 a.m., she was awakened by a loud bang.

A man, who police have identified as 18-year-old, Daniel Glen Larson, allegedly kicked in the apartment door and shattered the door frame.

The woman immediately alerted her boyfriend, who was also in the apartment and began calling 911.

Just as she was dialing the numbers into her phone, Larson allegedly grabbed the woman and began attacking her.

Seconds later, the woman’s boyfriend retrieved his loaded handgun and shot Larson in the abdomen.

Wounded, Larson ran to the living room where both victims attempted to restrain him until police arrived.

Larson broke free from the man and woman and jumped through a plate of glass window, dramatically exiting the apartment.

Larson then attempted to run across 3900 south, where he was almost hit by motorists.

After a minor struggle with the arriving South Salt Lake officers, Larson was taken into custody.

Police say that this was definitely not what the intruder expected.

“We had a bandit that in this case, bit off a little more than he could chew,” said Gary Keller from the South Salt Lake Police Department.

The man who shot Larson has a concealed weapon’s permit and has received training in operating of handguns.

“He was trained and he was ready,” said Keller. “This is definitely a story of survival.”

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hankdatank1362
March 16, 2008, 12:42 AM
Unfortunately, important stories like these that relay yhte truth about personal firearms kept for self defense will never make the mainstream media.

Instead, ABC throw unloaded guns into bins of toys to see what a bunch of toddlers will do with them, having not been trained any better than their city-dwelling, latte sipping parents.


The end result of either story is not a suprise to me.

Sans Authoritas
March 16, 2008, 12:42 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but to me, there is something that screams, "There is more to this story" on this one.

-Sans Authoritas

SLCscottie
March 16, 2008, 12:45 AM
Sans,

Never crossed my mind until you mentioned it. I'll check the news this week to see if something else develops from this story.

hankdatank1362
March 16, 2008, 12:46 AM
Sounds pretty kosher to me. What part is gving you doubts?

chrlefxtrt
March 16, 2008, 12:51 AM
It could very well end up on the mainstream news. The only problem will be that it will be bundled in with "sensless gun violence" by the Brady camp and their ilk. :banghead:

I do like how the local news pointed out that the man that shot the intruder was a law abiding and responsible citizen. (or atleast are trying to make it seem that way). Plus one for KUTV

Sans Authoritas
March 16, 2008, 01:04 AM
Well, judging from the info that we have, it sounds kosher enough from a self-defense standpoint, but I'm just thinking there's more to the story. Not that it wasn't a justified shoot.

I think the 18-year old knew precisely who lived there. I'll wager there was a threat or an ongoing issue, and that's why the boyfriend was there. The aggressor probably had no idea the boyfriend was there, but it sounds as though the boyfriend wasn't in the same room as the girl, given that the aggressor was able to start attacking her, and she had to "immediately alert" him. Sounds like they were expecting that something was going to go down. I'm not saying that's a bad thing... only that there's more to the story.

-Sans Authoritas

stevemis
March 16, 2008, 01:33 AM
Intruder Shot During A Frightening Home Invasion

I realize there's been an increase in home invasions... but aren't all home invasions frightening? Are home invasions common enough now that someone has to do something especially evil before they can be considered "frightening"?

Did I miss the memo?

Steve

chris in va
March 16, 2008, 02:07 AM
My friend unfortunately lives in an apartment. Having done the same myself for many years, I thought to get him one of those door jammers. He jokes with me, "you're paranoid" but when I offer to take it back from him, he points out "but I use it every night".

We were visiting him a few weeks ago. Around midnight someone starts banging on the door. I ask if he's expecting anyone, "no". My hand was at my side, he just rolled his eyes. I said "don't answer the door!". He did.

Some guy was looking for the apartment selling the pot.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 16, 2008, 02:22 AM
Unfortunately, important stories like these that relay yhte truth about personal firearms kept for self defense will never make the mainstream media.
It's been on the local ABC and CBS TV affilliates, I don't know how much more mainstream you get than that unless by mainstream you meant national news. In that case, this is hardly worthy of national news.

Robert Hairless
March 16, 2008, 02:23 AM
Same site, same city, same day, different outcome: http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0df4b51e-f604-42eb-bba3-d60ab43cda5a

Glendale Community Fed Up With Crime After Fatal Robbery

Members of the Glendale community held a vigil for Wallace Knapton, owner of the Family Dollar Store. Knapton was shot and killed by two men in a robbery on Wednesday, March 12, 2008. (Four Points Media ) After a fatal robbery in Glendale left The Family Dollar Store owner shot to death; leaders of the community say they want a safer neighborhood.

In front of The Family Dollar Store, a vigil was held for 49-year-old Wallace Knapton who often went by “Wally.”

Wally was shot and killed by two men who robbed the store Wednesday, March 12. Police are still in search of the two men but community leaders say they want more than just these men captured; they want law enforcement reform in the entire community.

“It’s getting out of hand,” said Randy Sorensen, community council member and Glendale resident of 34 years. “That’s three or four times in the last seven or eight months that we’ve had a shooting.”

Just last month a woman named Faviola Hernandez was gunned down in her own salon.

Miguel Mateos-Martinez allegedly walked in the salon, demanded money and killed her.

Martinez is on the U.S. Marshal’s “15 Most Wanted” list, but authorities do not have much information to his whereabouts.

The community wants change and Mayor Ralph Becker said in a statement Thursday that he plans to provide it.

“I hope the community will find a small degree of comfort in knowing that, just this week; the Salt Lake City Police Department has assigned 16 new officers to the Pioneer Precinct,” said Becker in his statement.

Becker also called for the community itself to unite and work together with police in order to protect their neighborhood.

“I know that law enforcement alone cannot prevent this type of tragedy; the Salt Lake City Police Department continues to ask our community to help them, by reporting any unusual activities related to this or future events. We must stand together as a community to combat those who would take away the safety and security of our neighborhoods,” said Becker.

Members of the community agree.

“I’m hoping that everyone will ban together and we can put this behind us and try and move on,” said Sorenson.

No matter which changes are made; no one can change the loss of life that occurred Wednesday night.

“It’s a tragic loss. Lots of people knew Wally. They would walk over to the store just because he was such a friendly person,” said Sorenson.

If you have any information regarding the suspects in the Family Dollar shooting, please call police immediately.

One suspect is expected to be 5’5” tall and weighing 170 lbs and the other suspect is expected to be 6’0” tall and weighing 200 lbs.

Both suspects were in a gold car and the license plate on the vehicle possibly has the numbers 2 and 9 and the letters “T” and “D.”

highorder
March 16, 2008, 02:33 AM
“I know that law enforcement alone cannot prevent this type of tragedy; the Salt Lake City Police Department continues to ask our community to help them, by reporting any unusual activities related to this or future events. We must stand together as a community to combat those who would take away the safety and security of our neighborhoods,” said Becker.

The mayor sounds like he at least understands the situation.

VirgilCaine
March 16, 2008, 02:40 AM
I realize there's been an increase in home invasions... but aren't all home invasions frightening? Are home invasions common enough now that someone has to do something especially evil before they can be considered "frightening"?

Did I miss the memo?

My line was gonna be, "As opposed to all those other calm, collected home invasions?"

BruceRDucer
March 16, 2008, 08:43 AM
Hey SLCscottie

I'm just curious about the caliber of the handgun.

It fascinates me to no end that some wounds seem to only impair an attacker slightly; and in that regard, is it possible that people wrongly believe that a single shot will have complete stopping power?

Maybe the weapon was only a little .25, .32, or even a .38 caliber; I'm just saying I would want a weapon or bullet that would not permit the attacker to "run" away.
What do you think?:rolleyes:

RLsnow
March 16, 2008, 09:01 AM
well, he only shot him once...in the abdomen, then again...atleast he shot him and things worked out.

perhaps its better for him anyway, not having to live with the whole "i killed a person" thing, no matter how justified he was in shooting....

ZeSpectre
March 16, 2008, 09:01 AM
With regards to most common handguns, one shot stops happen, but usually either due to psychology "oh God, I've been shot!" or due to an extremely well placed and to be blunt LUCKY shot.

I have, with my own eyes, seen a man get a magazine of 9mm emptied into him (9 hits if I remember correctly) and still walk into an emergency room under his own power, survive, and recover. I saw a man take two full house .357 Magnum rounds to the COM who also just walked in under his own power (though he did die a few hours later from internal bleeding). I've also seen a tragic event where a .22lr nicked the carotid artery just under a kids right ear and he was dead in less than a minute.

I guess what I'm saying is use the tools ya got, but have a plan "B" ready for use as well.

Thain
March 16, 2008, 09:34 AM
A violent attack, apparently random, the focus on one target and not the other person in the room, the plate glass window juming, and the mad dash across a highway...

I'm no expert, but I suspect our Suspect might have been guilty of violating some narcotics laws too.

romma
March 16, 2008, 10:34 AM
We must stand together as a community to combat those who would take away the safety and security of our neighborhoods,” said Becker.

Hey! The mayor is actually using the word "Combat"...

Not just reinforcing a closet so you can run and hide in... That is a switch...

Ed Ames
March 16, 2008, 10:44 AM
Doesn't sound random at all. Sounds like the attacker knew the female and had personal reasons for wanting to attack her. Maybe he was her ex boyfriend, stalker/peeping tom, whatever.

This is why I differentiate between intruders and attackers at times. This guy was an attacker with a specific victim in mind... he wanted at the girl. He didn't care about the guy, the risks as he saw them, or anything else... he wanted the girl. He's an attacker. That's different than your run of the mill property thief.

online2mch
March 16, 2008, 11:44 AM
I always wonder why these articles mention that the shooter had a concealed carry license. The man was in his own home, no need for a license.

ZeSpectre
March 16, 2008, 01:02 PM
It's subtle programming that you -need- a license.

Bones11b
March 16, 2008, 01:26 PM
What I don't understand is why Mr. Larson took up a life of crime? I mean if at 18 I could kick a locked door in shattering the frame, then take a bullet to the abdomen, wrestle two adults, jump out a pane glass window, and lastly dodge thru traffic narrowly avoiding being hit, oh and then still have the chutzpa to put up a struggle with the arresting officers I'm sure I would have just taken up a job as a high priced stuntman. Job interview: "So what can you do?" reply by Mr. Larson "Watch this!". :p

hjrocket
March 16, 2008, 01:26 PM
SL Trib. says that the protector had purchased a 9mm handgun after recent attacks at same apartment complex. Perhaps recent price increase in ammunition made it non cost effective to fire more than once?????????????

searcher451
March 16, 2008, 01:46 PM
We've all heard the refrain before: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away." It's exactly what the antis fear most: a good example of what happens when people protect themselves instead of lining up like sheep for the slaughter and patiently waiting for the police to arrive -- most always too late.

Titan6
March 16, 2008, 02:05 PM
Must be the most unlucky guy around. By reading the VPC material he knew the odds were 25:1 in his favor of him using the gun against the owner.

Regolith
March 16, 2008, 06:50 PM
I think the 18-year old knew precisely who lived there. I'll wager there was a threat or an ongoing issue, and that's why the boyfriend was there. The aggressor probably had no idea the boyfriend was there, but it sounds as though the boyfriend wasn't in the same room as the girl, given that the aggressor was able to start attacking her, and she had to "immediately alert" him. Sounds like they were expecting that something was going to go down. I'm not saying that's a bad thing... only that there's more to the story.


I think you're reading a bit too much into it.

Sounds more like to me that the intruder had rape on his mind. He saw a young female apparently alone in the apartment, broke in and attempted to attack her. This actually happens far more often than you would think.

Timthinker
March 16, 2008, 07:05 PM
Searcher is correct in his observation. Each of us are own own best protector. That is a quote once uttered by Jeff Cooper if memory serves me correctly.


Timthinker

RP88
March 16, 2008, 07:18 PM
I think the ex was stalking them, and broke in late at night when he thought the boyfriend left.

Also, remember that there is no news that gets ratings as good as bad news does--especially if the bad news portrays a 'tragedy'.

example:

"inexpensive and effective treatment for breast cancer?"

or...

"police officer shot during botched no-knock raid by innocent resident"

guess which one was the headline in my paper about a month ago?

you know what aslo takes priority? Bad news that happens to JUST the USA.

example:

"North Korean dictator threatens force against its neighbors; peace talks begin to crumble, UN countries file sanctions on NK; NK tests a nuke--30 million people could die"

or...

"genocide in Africa at its historical worst--300,000 dead in three years"

or...

"crazy asian shoots 32 people at his college; the whole world mourns"

guess which one was the national headline for two weeks while nobody else cared about the other?

welcome to the news

kinser11
March 16, 2008, 09:54 PM
Whenever I read articles about someone protecting himself or his loved ones and he has either wounded or killed the assailant, I wonder how the victim was treated by the authorities. If the homeowner has a safe full of weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition, what happens next? Is everything confiscated on the pretext that he is guilty of a crime? Is he handcuffed and incarcerated for 24 hours? I often wonder if I were to be placed in this scenerio, what the outcome would be. I have many nice weapons and I certainly would not like them to be hauled off like pieces of junk. I would imagine that all weapons confiscated would be traced and registered if they aren't already. Many magazines publish articles of homeowners who protected themselves and their loved ones, but you never read about what happens afterwards. Just food for thought------

Car Knocker
March 16, 2008, 10:35 PM
I think the ex was stalking them, and broke in late at night when he thought the boyfriend left.
How did you determine he was her ex?

buck00
March 16, 2008, 10:58 PM
“We had a bandit that in this case, bit off a little more than he could chew,” said Gary Keller from the South Salt Lake Police Department.

The man who shot Larson has a concealed weapon’s permit and has received training in operating of handguns.

“He was trained and he was ready,” said Keller. “This is definitely a story of survival.”

Well for once you don't have the story implying the victim "took the law into his own hands" etc.

catfish101
March 16, 2008, 11:22 PM
The bad part is that this sort of thing will probably get worse. Times are getting tougher by the day. I hope that I don't have to get into this situation. My dog will give me a little time to collect my thoughts from waking up during a nights sleep but after that who knows.

chupacabrah
March 17, 2008, 08:00 AM
at least the guy got caught and no one was harmed.


the brady campaign guy was on the news last night and said
"what most people don't realize is that 22% of the time, the homeowners' guns are taken and used AGAINST them"

:banghead:

Shooter57
March 17, 2008, 09:28 AM
Stats can make most statements true. A few years ago I was told 2% of gun owners have never fired their guns they keep for SD. Are you ready for this one 25% of gun owners have not fired their guns in over five years and 10% have not fired them in over ten years. Now to clear up some of the facts, most of the 2% group got their guns from being passed down through family and have no idea how they really work. Most are older revolvers and 1911 Military arms. ( do you know a older person that has a gun they never fired?)many believe because dad always keep it near the bed they should too.
Less than 20% of gun owners will have a need for a gun in their home. Better to have one and not need it than need one and not have it. These are some reasons the BG gets a owners gun from them.
I believe most people on gun forums will not lose their guns to the BG because we use them and know how they work and most of us here have had training or are planning to get trained in SD with a gun.

SSN Vet
March 17, 2008, 09:46 AM
retrieved his loaded handgun
:eek:

as if it would have done him any good if it were unloaded :rolleyes:

MakAttak
March 17, 2008, 09:49 AM
Larson broke free from the man and woman and jumped through a plate of glass window, dramatically exiting the apartment.
Emphasis mine.

Anyone else see the reporters swearing to themselves that no one had a camera for this?

alaskanativeson
March 17, 2008, 05:16 PM
at least the guy got caught and no one was harmed.


I'd amend that to say that no one innocent was harmed. I'll not weep for a bad guy getting shot though.

CNYCacher
March 17, 2008, 05:57 PM
I think the 18-year old knew precisely who lived there. I'll wager there was a threat or an ongoing issue, and that's why the boyfriend was there. The aggressor probably had no idea the boyfriend was there, but it sounds as though the boyfriend wasn't in the same room as the girl, given that the aggressor was able to start attacking her, and she had to "immediately alert" him. Sounds like they were expecting that something was going to go down. I'm not saying that's a bad thing... only that there's more to the story.

I don't get it. . . the story seems entirely plausible to me.

Are you saying that it's uncommon for boyfriends and girlfriends to live together? Is it also uncommon for girls to go to sleep while their boyriends stay up in another room? Further, is it uncommon for women to scream for their boyfriend/husband when they are awakened by a strange man crashing through the door?
Are you one of those people who screams "photoshop!" at every amazing photo you come across on the internet?

DoubleTapDrew
March 17, 2008, 06:39 PM
the brady campaign guy was on the news last night and said
"what most people don't realize is that 22% of the time, the homeowners' guns are taken and used AGAINST them"
What most people don't realize is 100% of the brady campaign's statistics are skewed, heavily biased, or outright lies. I wonder how many of them are those 25 year old "children" they factor in :barf:

jaholder1971
March 17, 2008, 07:20 PM
Who give a flying squirrel's **** if the guy was an ex or not???

Dude busted down a door, attacked a woman, threw himself through a plate glass window and still fought with the cops after being shot!

Am i supposed to be feeling something for him???

mikebnem
March 17, 2008, 07:40 PM
Quote:

"Unfortunately, important stories like these that relay yhte truth about personal firearms kept for self defense will never make the mainstream media."

"Instead, ABC throw unloaded guns into bins of toys to see what a bunch of toddlers will do with them, having not been trained any better than their city-dwelling, latte sipping parents."

I love It.......

mike101
March 18, 2008, 05:18 AM
"It could very well end up on the mainstream news. The only problem will be that it will be bundled in with "sensless gun violence" by the Brady camp and their ilk."

I'm not sure if you thought you were being sarcastic, but you're absolutely right. Intruders and home invaders who are shot, are counted as "victims of gun violence" by the Brady Campaign. They also include criminals who are shot by police, and suicides. And when you call them on these things, they ignore it, just like they ignore every fact and statistic they are presented with.

Should we expect anything less from an organization that counts 25 year-old gangbangers as being among "the children". :barf:

xrey
March 18, 2008, 05:23 AM
It's obvious the shooter is inexperienced. Double tap is the way to go with 9ms.

Double Naught Spy
March 18, 2008, 06:44 AM
Unfortunately, important stories like these that relay yhte truth about personal firearms kept for self defense will never make the mainstream media.

I think you have confused your words. KUTV is mainstream media. I think you meant to say that the story won't get picked up on the national level by the media. Maybe so. Then again, it isn't a national-attention story.

As for the story being the truth about personal firearms kept for self defense, I am not sure of what truth to which you are referring. Is it the truth that they can actually be used for self defense?

I always wonder why these articles mention that the shooter had a concealed carry license. The man was in his own home, no need for a license.

Right, but if it had been an off duty cop at home, they would have mentioned the guy was an off duty cop. Neither facet has anything to do with the story per se, except in this case, the commenting officer notes that the shooter was trained and ready. Trained? Sure. Ready? I don't know. The BG found the GF quicker than the BF found his gun and brought it to bear in the situation.

From the queries above, you have to wonder how the BG found the GF so quickly...unless maybe he know the GF and the home.

LegalAlien
March 18, 2008, 12:50 PM
the brady campaign guy was on the news last night and said
"what most people don't realize is that 22% of the time, the homeowners' guns are taken and used AGAINST them"


Which for me translates into:-
78% of the time, the homeowner's guns are NOT taken away from them and used against them, and the homeowner protects his and his family's lives and his property.

Those are pretty good statistics for gun ownership methinks

CountGlockula
March 18, 2008, 01:07 PM
+1 for the good guys...and a hole in the tummy for the bad guy.

Thanks for sharing the story. Go Utah CCWers!

alaskanativeson
March 18, 2008, 03:37 PM
Yeah, Utah's a pretty conservative place when it comes to gun owners. Thankfully this guy chose the right house. Glad it wasn't someone unwilling or unable to defend themself.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 18, 2008, 03:41 PM
Yeah, Utah's a pretty conservative place when it comes to gun owners.

Fixed that for you.

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