Need some help in a decision.


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Jguy101
March 16, 2008, 04:31 AM
I'm in a bit of a dilemma at the moment. I'm sixteen years old, and saving up for my first centerfire. I'm particularly looking for something that would make a decent SHTF carbine, but at a low cost, especially for ammo.

The first, and possibly most viable option, is the Saiga. I could get one in 7.62x39 for cheap ammo, or .223 for ammo WTSHTF (because there will most likely be at least some tropps around, although 7.62 should never be far away in such a situation). Conversion to standard AK configuration, and for the use of common magazines, isn't supposed to be too much of a problem - unless my somewhat-anti father won't let me use his Dremel. With the 7.62's distinctively curved magazine, though, it looks like a "bad guy" gun, and could possibly get me shot.

The next is CMMG's Bargain Bin AR-15. The Saiga definitely has a price advantage over this one, but magazines will be easier to find than for a Saiga .223 (let's face it. Galil mags aren't sold everywhere), and the rate of twist would probably be better for more common 55-grain 5.56 (Saigas prefer 62 grains). Parts may be more likely to fail than in an AK, but again, replacements may be easier to find. Also, some may know it as a "good guy" gun.

The Yugo underfolder AK is, IMO, another decent option. It's an evil-looking AK, but it can hide in a tennis racquet bag, so that's not too much of an issue. Reports of problems are low, as it seems that Century outsources work on these, so they don't get the usual drunk monkey job like the WASRs.

Kel-Tec's SU-16 also seems viable. It's the lightest, but its strength is also its weakness: just recently, a THR user mentioned that he saw a plastic SU-16 receiver crack at a rifle class. The same company's Sub-2000 is extremely compact, and 9mm is pretty darn cheap, but I want something with more range.

The Remington 7615 could be good, but of the two commercial models, one doesn't come with irons, and the other isn't exactly a carbine. They do have police models with shorter barrels and sights, but they're pricey.

Finally, there's the Marlin 336. Very PC, it'd be $350 or less, and .30-30 is everywhere, but frankly, it's not a combat weapon. It's not that I'm afraid of the fact that it's a levergun or has a tubular magazine (in my opinion, that's an advantage, since I can top off at any time) - it's that I might need to spend extra on tuning to make it reliable enough.

Thoughts?

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kimberfan
March 16, 2008, 04:42 AM
i prefer .308win/7.62x51 to anything else

so IMO i would go with a CETME

but ammo prices can be bad some times

if you dont reload that is.

if you look you can still find wolf .308win for cheap and it should work fine in a CETME

Rifleman 173
March 16, 2008, 04:45 AM
#1. I would do more research. All the rifles you've mentioned are good ones, even the 30-30 and they all could be used in an emergency. By researching more, you can bring down the number of choices based off of your needs and intended goals.

#2. Consider joining a local gun club. There you might meet people who could train you in various shooting techniques and let you even try out some of their own gear. When looking at shooting techniques, don't forget to check out 3-gun shooting, cowboy shooting and sport utility rifle shooting events. Start off with your basics first and then pick a shooting technique that looks like fun to you.

#3. Talk to people in gun shops about shooting information and ideas. They can guide you to which gun clubs are best for what kind of shooting and can give you information about which gun clubs are closest to where you live and such. They can also give you an idea on how to narrow down what you want to do.

#4. Practice. Once you decide which gun to buy, give it a lot of thought and practice with it to develop your speed and accuracy. Some professional shooters dry-fire thousands of times before they even fire one bullet out of a new rifle or gun.

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