[David]

As someone pretty new to the world of CCW, I look to places like THR for CCW insights and ideas from the many "pros" who are nice enough to share their vast knowledge.

I think that with more and more states offering CCW permits, this information would be very useful and greatly appreciated by the many Americans who may be carrying a CCW for the first time.

With that said, what tip or tips would you offer someone who is new to CCW (other than, of course, having the proper training to use and carry a firearm)?

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Thanks...

[Smoke]

Act like you aren't packing.

[C.R.Sam]

Know your rights.
Know the law as applicable to you.
Situational awareness.

Sam

[Marko Kloos]

Buy a good quality belt. Get a real gun belt, made expressly for the support of a handgun and its holster. Get a high quality holster to match that belt. Your carry comfort and concealment success will increase dramatically if you use good leather and a stiff gun belt.

[Standing Wolf]

It's always—always—a good idea to carry your carry gun. It won't do you any good in a drawer at home.

[Baba Louie]

Concealed means concealed.

Like in... Your gun, your thoughts, your presence... just kinda blend into the crowd and enjoy life, keeping your eyes and ears open and your wits about you.

Adios

[P95Carry]

Yep ...... the ''art of true concealment'' ... practice that as you would practice your weapon useage.

And as Wolf says .... always carry ..... not just ''when it seems a good idea''. I often feel like being ''free'' of the small burden .. but refuse to let that make me take it off ... it is only those ''no go'' places where that will ever happen .... and seeing as round here I am not school visiting too much .. it's pretty much a 24/7 deal. Even if in my quiet neighborhood some get a chuckle as they see me walkin around my office and home and yard with it!:p (cos at home I carry open).

[Chipperman]

Practice actually drawing and shooting from concealment. Too many people go to the range with an OWB holster, and never practice with the carry rig. :banghead:

[cool45auto]

If you can, practice with the ammo you're going to carry.

Don't act like everyone knows you're carrying.

Don't leave home without your carry piece.

[Hkmp5sd]

Training.
Practice.
Training.
Practice.
Training.
Practice.
Training.
Practice.
Training.
And more Practice.

[B27]

With quality carry gear a fullsize gun is just as easy to conceal as a little one.

[nemesis]

Be humble.
Leave the testosterone at home.
Avoid confrontation.
Behave as you normally would, they don't know you're packing.
Be alert, be aware, be ready.

[Lone_Gunman]

Even with quality carry gear a fullsize gun is not just as easy to conceal as a little one.

[Croyance]

Know the law in your state, they city you live in and surrounding communities. Some states don't have pre-emption laws, which means ordinances can vary from municipality to municipality. If possible, find out the views and records of local DA and law enforcement. They will be the ones writing up any self defence incidents and deciding whether or not to procecute.
Spend the money on a quality gun belt. I makes a huge difference in carrying comfort and concealability. The less comfortable it is to carry, the more likely you are to leave your gun behind.
Continual practice.
Get used to carrying. Carry around the house so it feels natural. Many carriers give themselves away by figeting and touching their gun in public.
Choosing a gun or guns is another thread.

[MLH]

"nough said!:D

[B27]

Allright, I'll amend that- Using MY choice of cover garment, it has been my experience that I can coneal a P220 or government size 1911 just as easily as a two inch J frame revolver. :D

[Lone_Gunman]

B27........ clarification appreciated.

I just can't conceal a Beretta 92 quite as easily as Kel Tec P32 while wearing bermuda shorts and a polo shirt.

It can be done if I add an overcoat to that ensemble... but it makes me look like a flasher.

[B27]

If you can run around in bermuda shorts you are a braver man than me!;)
I wear jeans every day and use a photog vest for a cover garment.
The vest goes on just as easily over a 1911 as it does over an airweight J frame.:D

[willyjixx]

carry a spare mag.

if you carry a back up or have a full size counter part carry the full size mag.

IMHO carry your spare mag opposite your carry rig. i carry my firearm on my right side so i carry my spare mag on the left. that way i avoid crossdraw if i have to reload. dont put any mag bigger than a 380 single stack in a fifth pocket (you know that little pocket that is on the right front of a levis.

this sounds stupid i know but try it. get in you get up go to your garage an roll around under your car (flat tire, somethin stuck see where i am going)


NOTHING WAS EVER more embarrasing than fixin somebodies car an my bersa fell out of my pants.


an it was pegged before but always practice your draws.


im surprised nobody said it yet. clean your holster an if its new leather wax it

[spacemanspiff]

when using restrooms, dont forget your gun in the stall. :D who'd that happen to? someone from here, or from glocktalk?

[Lennyjoe]

A good belt and holster is a must. But dont forget your outter wear. A bigger size shirt, button down shirt instead of tee shirt, shorts or pants that are a size bigger if you IWB carry.

I always take a look in the mirror before I depart to see if Im printing or showing in any way.

Dont let your ability to carry a weapon make you bold. Avoid trouble and keep your situational awareness sharp. Dont fall asleep at the wheel so to speak.

Practice with carry ammo. Dont just shoot FMJ cheapy ammo and then load with quality ammo for carry. Its imperitive that you shoot your brand of carry ammo too.

Carry a spare mag. If for some reason your mag fails or you expend and dont have another mag your handgun just became a blount object.

If your a lefty like me then find another alternative to concealing your weapon when your driving. Does no good to have it on your left hip when your driving. Wont be able to draw and fire worth a hoot with the bad guy right next to you. I use another holster strategically placed in the vehicle to put my weapon in so I can access it with my right hand just in case. But I have the best defense weapon buckled to my butt. The car.

If you use Kydex for a holster, clean it often. Cotton from your shirt or undershirt can get in there and pile up. Also sticks to your front site. So make sure you run a rag or something thru the Kydex to keep it lint free.

Put your wallet on the opposite side of your carry weapon. That way if you get confronted by an officer of the law he dont think your drawing your weapon instead of your wallet.

[Skunkabilly]

Again, a GOOD belt. IWB is nice so it doesn't 'peek', if you carry OWB, it's possible, but watch your movement.

1. Don't bend over, squat.
2. Don't 'check' your rig.
3. The bravest thing you can do is back down from a fight.

[Double Naught Spy]

When choosing concealment clothing/garments, remember that...

1. Thick fabrics cover better than thin and multiple layers better than single
2. Busy patterns conceal better than solids
3. Darks conceal better than light colored fabrics

[only1asterisk]

My best tip?

Don't panic!

As usual there is much good advice here. I agree with nemesis, Hkmp5sd and Croyance. This is not something to be entered into lightly, but don't worry. You seem to have the proper mindset, that is the first and biggest step.

As for equipment, poor quality or ill fitting leather is never a bargin. Spend what it take to get what you need to be comfortable.

David

[45R]

Best Tip......keep it hidden :)

[Kalvan]

Thick fabrics cover better than thin and multiple layers better than single
1. They're also easier to "wipe" out of the way as you start to draw. Thin material tends to wrap itself around your arm.

2. Be advised that those quality gunbelts may set off metal detectors, depending what type of stiffener they have inside.

3. A man wearing either a large and obviously heavy black belly-bag, or a multi-pocket "photographer's vest", will get my attention every time. They both scream "GUN!" to me.

4. "On body" carry is better than "off body" carry.

5. Figure out what you're going to do with the gun in the public restroom. I take the gun out of the holster and rest it in my pants between my feet - hard to forget it or have it get snatched that way.

[444]

Don't be too paranoid about printing etc. Yeah, you need to worry about it, but don't go overboard. The average person is in condition white. They have their mind on everything except what they are doing right now. In addition, just because someone sees a bulge somewhere, again that average guy isn't going to immediately think-GUN. After all, I for one have my pockets stuffed with all kinds of stuff. I sometimes carry stuff on my belt like a cell phone, a folding knife, a flashlight or whatever. Point being that a bulge under your shirt when you move the wrong way could be anything. And most people won't think twice about it.
So, get a good holster and belt that conceals the gun well. Dress in order to conceal the gun. Don't ever flash the gun intentionally. But, don't walk around thinking that every little old lady or every housewife made you. They didn't.
The fact that you are carrying a gun makes you much more aware of things like this, and things in general. The average Joe is lucky to be aware of where he is, and that is when he doesn't have a cell phone glued to his ear.
I don't think I print when I carry. I don't think that even a trained eye could spot the fact that I am armed. And I don't worry much about it.

[Ed Brunner]

Keep it in your pants.

Gey a good IWB holster. Keep it concealed in comfort.

[4 eyed six shooter]

Great info from all. Take it to heart.
Remember, the one time you leave ol' loud mouth in the car (your firearm, not your wife:evil: ) will be the time you need it.

No flipping people on the road the high sign anymore either. If you have to shoot someone, the investigating officers will want to know what you did to escalate the situation. Any sign that you did escalate will go very badly against you. If you do shoot someone call 911 and tell them that you were forced to shoot someone, that you were afraid for your life and ask for the medics to be sent. It all sounds great to a grand jury and it's on the PD tape recording.
John K

[oldgranpa]

Others have said it before. If you travel into other states be sure to know the CCW laws there. Good place to find out:
www.packing.org
If it's a state that doesn't recognize your CCW permit and has a "must notify" law , for gosh sakes, keep it concealed and "just say no" for sure.
og

[Spackler]

Carry IWB, and find a holster that sits low in the waistband. For me, they conceal much better when they sit very low.

[DigMe]

One good practice tip that was given to me by my CHL instructor was to practice drawing and shooting with your elbows held down and flat against your body with your forearm holding the gun stuck out at the waist perpendicular to the rest of your body and your nondominant hand bracing the gun in the best way that it can. This is only for practicing close up at the target. Practice like that and then with the same closed elbows close to body stance just raise the gun straight up to just below chin level and practice like that as well. These are both stances that could be very helpful should you get your gun drawn but the BG is very close and many people do not practice such stances. It would be impractical and dangerous to full extend your arms in any of the standard shooting stances in such a situation. Be sure to keep your elbows tight to your body so that your shooting arm cannot be easily grabbed ahold of from behind. Practice, practice.

brad cook

[AZLibertarian]

Lots of good tips here. One I'll add is...

All those NRA/GOA/RKBA/etc shirts, hats, pins, bumper stickers, whatever have no place near you while you're carrying concealed. They're OK at the range, or at the gun show, but why advertise to every idiot while you're out at the mall?

Also, in the vein of keeping your wallet in your weak-side pocket, any items I've got to carry, get carried in my weak-side hand. I also try to keep my wife & kids on my weak side.

[pax]

Learn the laws that apply to you. Don't get your legal advice from strangers on the internet, but do use the internet to look up the actual wording of the law as it applies to you. Use info from bulletin boards like THR as a good starting place for research, not as the research itself.

Don't assume that having and carrying a gun make you bulletproof. You still aren't. So don't go places you wouldn't go without your gun, don't do things you wouldn't do if you weren't armed, and don't hang out with people who might get you into situations where you wouldn't want to be if you didn't have your gun.

Realize that your gun is no good to you if you don't know how to use it well. Get some good training in a formal class, and follow it up with lots of purposeful practice on the range. Become a regular at your local IDPA matches and don't play to 'win' the game. Play to learn, do what you would do in real life, and ignore the scores.

Don't voluntarily go anywhere without your gun. Make it a part of your life and lifestyle.

pax

[Kalvan]

If you do shoot someone call 911 and tell them that you were forced to shoot someone, that you were afraid for your life and ask for the medics to be sent.
Even if you just display the gun and they run away, YOU be the one that calls the police first. On the form the one who reports the "crime" goes in the "victim" slot. If that's not you, you're left with the "suspect" slot.

[brownie0486]

If you carry a mod 60. 36, 640 etc from S+W, get a Berami hip grip.

Best little trick going for these type of firearms.

Brownie

[jsalcedo]

Figure out what carry method you can do all the time and stick with it.

Never leave home unarmed.

Practice

Don't start fights, flip off bad drivers, or go into places that you wouldn't go unarmed.

[Snake Eyes]

Get a lawyer NOW.

You do NOT want to be flipping through the yellow pages at a police precinct at 3 am trying to find some one to advise you. Find a gun friendly lawyer and talk to him. Give him a retainer if that's what it will take to ensure he will remember your name and come down to the cop shop when his answering service calls him in the middle of the night.

My lawyers' card resides in my wallet right next to my permits. He told me to say absolutely NOTHING if I am ever in a situation where I need him. He told me that he has never, never had a client that kept his mouth shut get convicted.

I pray to God I'll never need my lawyer, just like I pray I'll never need my gun. If I need one, I'll need the other. Why would I go out into the world half prepared??

Peter

[brownie0486]

SnakeEyes:

Very good advice.

My Uncle, a heavy hitter atty from Boston once told me the following:

Big fish get to be big fish by keeping their mouth shut.

Brownie

[dairycreek]

There is something special and profound in each of them. My advice is that you remember that legally carrying concealed is, indeed, a rare privilege. And, as with most true privileges, you take on much added personal responsibility. Always, always, always, try to do the resonsible thing. Easy to say but sometimes hard to do. Always be a learner. Keep your wits about you at all times. Be humble. Good shooting;)

[50 Freak]

Guess it pays off to have a lot of friend that are lawyers. As I have their numbers programed on my cell phone. :D

Very very good advice, any problems and keep your mouth shut, most people think they can explain things away, and 99% of the time that is not the case, you just get yourself deeper in trouble. Let a lawyer help you, that is their job and that is what they are trained in.

[Glamdring]

Practice Smooth.
Mindset
Tactics

My $.02 start with a small gun that you think you can crry 24/7 try to find a single way to carry that gun concealed.

That will be your always gun, and your back up gun when carrying a real gun.

Try different carry techniques, just because it works for me doesn't mean ut will work for you.

[dav]

dairycreek wrote:My advice is that you remember that legally carrying concealed is, indeed, a rare privilege. Quite the opposite. Carrying legally is a RIGHT that has been taken away from us by politicians.

Doesn't mean you don't need to act responsibly, just I get upset when people agree with oppressive regimes.

David Row
San Diego

[FedDC]

Carry consistantly. Keep it in the same place all the time and don't switch holster types. Don't clear and then re-chamber the same round over and over. check your sights to be sure they are still there on a daily basis (Yes, that happened to me). And most importantly, remember that your CCW is for SELF DEFENSE. It does not make you the police. Do not try to do LE work with your CCW. When you are armed, every situation has the potential to go life and death, so 99% of the time it is much better for all concerned to just be a good witness and leave the LE to the Police.

[Rick Daniel]

Lot's of good advice here. I'd simply add, in additon to knowing the law, learn to articulate it clearly. Study the laws of self-defense and be able to explain them.

In the event of a justified use of deadly force, you should be able to clearly explain what happened using "buzz" phrases. Talk about ability, opportunity, and jeopardy. Talk about how a reasonable man facing the same circumstances would have reacted. Talk about shooting only to end the threat, etc. Such study, knowledge, and fore thought will help your attorney help you.

[Edward429451]

Even though its been said already, it needs repeating.

Those days that you just want a day off from the boat anchor and have the urge to leave it behind...

DON'T. That'll probably be the day you need it.

[Erik]

Lots of good tips so far.

I'm left with: Thinner guns, particularly through the slide, conceal better than thicker ones.

[Futo Inu]

Not a pro, but I'd say, forget all about IWB holsters unless you want to be uncomfortable and buy new pants and belts in different sizes. Go with a paddle, belt-slide (OWBs), or fanny pack - you have to wear a covering garment anyway, so why not be comfortable? Don't ever whip it out in public, even if in a gun-friendly crowd, if the law in your state says must be concealed at all times - never know when someone will rat you out, so to speak. Check to make sure your mag release is not being accidentally pushed (if carrying a semi-auto) - had that happen several times, where mag is just floatin around disengaged. Make sure gun is tightly held in the holster, so that if you have to jog or get jostled, it won't fall out. If you're not sure, then get a holster with retention thumb-strap. If carrying in a fanny pack, get a BLACK gun - because if you go to dig around for your wallet to pay for something at the checkout stand of the grocery store, a black gun won't be noticed; a shiny one will. Also, put your wallet in FRONT of the gun BEFORE you enter the store, so that it's easy to whip out the front of the fanny pack while laying the top back down immediately to cover the gun, when paying at checkout. If carrying hip/strongside, carry at 4:00 or 4:30 position, not straight 3 o'clock, so that if the wind blows open your covering garment, you still won't be "made". Don't back up into the back wall of an elevator full of people, or the loud "clunk" sound when the grip of your handgun hits the back wall will draw some strange stares. Don't hug any one of your relatives who are anti-gun and liable to cause a scene when the feel your hog (the gun I mean). Single stacks are much more comfortable to drive with when carrying in said 4 o'clock position. If driving on long trips, use a shoulder rig instead. Oh yeah, and a .22 on you is better than a .45 at home - so carry!

[David]

Thanks for all the great ideas, tips and suggestions for carrying a CCW.

:D :D :D

[Dave R]

Much good advice. My .02--practice your "restroom routine" at home before you use a public restroom.

I was lucky I got to fish my pistol out of the toilet (at home) before I had used it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[geekWithA.45]

In addition to all the fine advice above:


-Check and clean your carry sidearm more frequently than you would a gun you mostly store. Humans are humidity and salt magnets.

-Movement, Cover & 360 scans reduces how much you might get shot. Work that into your brain's emergency priority program.

-If you found it necessary to draw, reload and reholster as soon as you're certain you're finished. Think about what you look like to approaching LEO if you've got a gun out.

[Poodleshooter]

My .02--practice your "restroom routine" at home before you use a public restroom.
Yeah, we're definitely getting down to the "bottom" of the CCW advice bucket.
Remember, unbuckle, drop trousers, then rebuckle belt before sitting. This is how you keep your CCW close at hand, and not in the toilet. A loose belt means a loose holstered pistol.

[justashooter]

buy two guns. one for summer ( a 22 autoloader), and one for winter ( a 45 govt). carry one or the other in the back pocket of your denims at all times. they both kill with the right shot placement.

[Harold Mayo]

Only ONE poster (I think) has mentioned a good belt. GET A GOOD BELT in addition to a good holster.

Don't think that a Wal-Mart dress belt and an Uncle Mike's nylon holster is a good way to carry. Yeah, it works, but it doesn't work as well as you really need it to.

DO carry IWB, despite what another poster said. Unless you are heavy or wear too-tight clothing, anyway, IWB is the way to go. Even if you are heavy, if you dress appropriately it won't matter. IWB is the most stable and concealable way to carry.

Belt: I prefer Rafter S because they are HEAVY and are designed specifically for carry. Just get the cowhide since everything else is cowhide with exotic covering.

Holster: I prefer Milt Sparks VM-2, but there are a lot of good ones out there. Any Milt Sparks IWB is excellent. I recently acquired a Del Fatti IWB holster that I am beginning to really like.

Mag Pouch: I prefer the Del Fatti or the Rafter S. Even those aren't completely perfect. The BEST mag pouch that I own is one from Nossar Leather in Peru (bought through Michiguns). It's an IWB design that actually works but it's for a single-stack 1911 magazine and I don't use it very often.

I also carry a G26 with a clipgrip thingie on many occasions simply for ease of concealment and ease of carry. I don't prefer this method because (1) I don't carry it with a round chambered and (2) the pistol isn't as stable when carried in this manner, but I do it because of the ease and convenience, especially in summer months.

[jdege]

People keep saying "practice, practice", and that's good advice.

Practice drawing and holstering, over and over again, but do it with an unloaded gun.

Drop the loaded magazines, clear the round from the chamber, put all of your live rounds over there, then load up a magazine with snap caps, chamber one, chamber another and make sure the ejected round was a snap cap, and then practice drawing, holstering, standing up, sitting down, tying your shoes, etc.

Holster your gun, then get down on the floor and chase that ejected snap cap from out of the dark corner under your desk where it ended up. Does it fall out? Does it dig into your gut?

[cadfael]

Shoot a competition match wearing your carry weapon and holster. Dress exactly as you would normally.

[zahc]

Reading this thread convinces me I would never be able to CCW.

[tobeat1]

My advice? Get a S&W 442, pocket holster and a speed strip. Put in front pocket. Done.

How hard is that?

[pax]

Reading this thread convinces me I would never be able to CCW.
Why not? :confused:

pax

[Edward429451]

Reading this thread convinces me I would never be able to CCW.

I agree with pax. Why not?

Consider this. Carrying a concealed weapon is kind of like learning to ride a bike. It seems so hard and so dangerous before you can do it, with lots to be scared of in one way or another. Once you learn how and gain the least bit of confidence in it/yourself, its a breeze! Soon you will be riding with no hands, so to speak.;)

All these different posters have had a stumbling block or two with regard to CCW, but it is a compilation. You wont have all those problems. Maybe an adjustment or two or a holster or three to find what works for you. Not ALL kids skin thier knees learning to ride a bike. You've just come to horror story central on this issue, millions more never had a problem at all. Take heart, you'll get it. Come back with questions, some of the best minds in the country are here.

[LiquidTension]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is carrying while with loved ones/friends. One poster mentioned keeping his family on his weak side while carrying, and that is good advice. People close to you that know you carry should be briefed on what to do if the gun is ever drawn. They need to know to get out of the way, head to cover, don't get in front of the gun, don't hang all over the person with the gun, etc. Most of my friends know how to keep cool in hostile situations, but my gf hasn't had the displeasure of being in one. I've discussed with her what to do in case we get into some poop when we're together somewhere. Basically, she knows to get clear of me so that I don't have to worry about her as much. She knows not to crowd up on me, thus making for a much larger target. In a fight, the motto is, "You run, I fight."

Naturally, you don't want to fight if you don't have to. Running away is never cowardly and is usually the second best course of action. The BEST course of action is to maintain your situational awareness at all times so that you don't get into a bad situation in the first place.

As far as a carry rig goes, you'll just have to experiment with what styles of holsters and what positions you like to carry. I prefer holsters with offset loops (ie Milt Sparks Watch Six or VersaMax II), I prefer leather, and I prefer carrying at the 4oclock position. Don't cheap out on gear, this is one of the things that is worth extra money to get quality.

On a personal note, DON'T BUY A FIST HOLSTER. I have one, and some chemical they use on the leather caused my Kimber to rust and took chunks out of the frame.

[casual]

alright, stupid question time

i reside in a repressive state which recognizes no right to carry, so i have no practical experience with legal ccw

if you have a license for ccw why do you care if you are "made" as long as the gun is still undercover?

in the state of ill, you are facing a felony if you are "made"


casual

[zahc]

Why not?

I would have to make way to many drastic changes to the way i dress, and act. There's no way. Maybe 'sorta concealed'. I lead a very active, spontaneous lifestyle and dress comfortably. I can't see how I could keep a gun hidden 1/2 the time. Except in winter maybe.

[Browns Fan]

I can't believe that some are endorsing kydex holsters for concealed carry! They are noisy and stick out like a certain part of the body when arroused (how's that for walking the High Road? ;) ). Kydex holsters may look or sound cool for IDPA/IPSC matches, but they are only useful for CCW if you are wearing a heavy winter coat. I prefer IWB nylon. Comfortable, quiet, and easy on the finish.

[willyjixx]

well if you are made it determines who sees it.
pro gun person worst case scenario he ignores it or reports what he actually saw

anti-gun: worst case scenarion will report you call authorities an might be accused of brandishing. depends on state law an where your at. in my home town it would probably be ignored or worst case a brandishing charge-misdemeanor- an get my CCW yanked

[444]

"why do you care if you are "made" as long as the gun is still undercover"
Well the main reason is that it might cause a scene. For example, you are in the grocery store and someone freaks out screaming; "HE HAS A GUN" or something like that.
In my state, it is a no no for anyone to see your gun. This is called flashing and if reported will result in the the loss of your CCW. They even used the example in my class that if you are in a store reaching up on a high shelf to get something and your shirt rides up so someone can see your gun you could have your CCW revoked if it is reported. Concealed means concealed. From a practical standpoint, in my hometown it is still a small
Western frontierish town, as is most of the state. I don't worry much about it at all. Open carry is not unheard of in this town and those who do it, don't get much flak about it.

zahc, this is just a comment, not an attack. I hear where you are coming from and assume you consider the possibility of your being the victim of a violent crime to be remote. You very well might be right. There are many parts of this country where violent crime is the exception rather than the rule. And most people live out their entire lives without experiencing it. However, I have found through the experiences on my job that it doesn't matter where you live, or what you do, the possibility is always there. I have learned that it isn't just something that happens in the movies and it doesn't always happen to someone else. Violent crime is very real and happens to a lot of nice people that did nothing to warrant it. Your last post basicallly says that you place your immediate comfort and style ahead of the safety of yourself and those around you. That is your choice and I don't fault you for it. For me, that would be unacceptable. Life is full of little discomforts and inconviences; those are part of being proactive and ambitious. I would rather be able to take care of myself than count on someone else to do it for me. And, if this means I am a little bit put out, I am willing to pay that price. That being said, a lot of the time I carry a Smith J-Frame in a pocket holster. This requires the same effort to carry as my wallet. It isn't quite as comfortable as a pair of silk boxer shorts, but it is close.

[TallPine]

some of the best minds in the country are here.

Yes, but some of our bodies have seen better days ... :D

[zahc]

Your last post basicallly says that you place your immediate comfort and style ahead of the safety of yourself and those around you. That is your choice and I don't fault you for it. For me, that would be unacceptable.

I would totally carry a firearm. I just have not found a mode of carry that would stay concealed. Consider my typical summer clothes of a t shirt or sleeveless shirt (when required) and shorts. Consider my habit of rigorously riding my bicyle at various time through the day, crashing, falling down a lot. Playing basketball. Climbing in and jumping out of trailered boats at work. I never take stairs one at a time. I rarely walk when I can run.

Besides, OH doesn't alow CCW and Colleges (where I am) don't either.

I hadn't thought of pocket carry.

In a perfect world I'd hitch a nice light auto on or in my waistband and carry it fine but it sure wouldn't stay concealed.

[RCS]

Hey TallPine, I resemble that remark ;)

Carrying IWB is soooo much more comfortable with RR 5.11 pants/shorts (and other casual or dress brands) that have the expandable waistband feature. Add a quality belt and holster and you're good for all day carry.

regards

[Oracle]

I'll agree with the other posters that say that you do have to make adjustments to your wardrobe when you start carrying. However, the adjustments don't have to be severe. In the fall and winter, I start wearing a nice blazer or jacket with my jeans and button-up shirts. That conceals my Glock 17 nicely. In the summer, I switch to a Glock 26, and haul out the straight-bottomed short sleeve shirts (I try to avoid the hawaiian prints, but I do have a few of them), they conceal a gun in an IWB holster nicely. When I can't do either of the above, I make sure I'm wearing long pants and I use an ankle holster for my Glock 26.

I haven't made a bunch of changes to my wardrobe, I just make allowances for carrying when I buy clothes. When I buy pants, I buy them with a waist that is 2 inches bigger, or has elastic to allow for comfortable carry of an IWB holster. When I buy shirts, if they are going to be worn untucked, I make sure that they are long enough and big enough to offer good concealment (coincidentally, this also makes sure they are comfortable to wear). I make sure that my blazer's and jackets aren't too tight around the middle, so that they can easily conceal a gun worn in an OWB holster. Just little things, but they do make a world of difference when you are carrying.

[HankB]

These are my thoughts, some of which echo previous comments:

1. Maintain a low profile. No cammies, mall ninja outfits, "Death from Above" T-shirts, or vests that scream "THIS GUY IS CARRYING!" You want to avoid attention, not draw it.

2. Don't go anyplace with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun.

3. Don't respond to provocation - back down when you can. If some idiot shows road rage towards you, don't do anything to escalate.

4. IWB holsters are best - I like the Milt Sparks Versa-Max II for my 1911 and/or BHP.

5. Shoot competitively - I recommend IDPA. NO, it ISN'T completely realistic, but competitive shooting will help to show where your technique and equipment have shortcomings.

6. KNOW what the law is. For example in Texas, most businesses have the right to prohibit concealed carry - but they have to post a sign meeting very specific legal requirements. A sign that doesn't comply might as well not exist at all, and can be ignored. (But that's a topic for a whole thread.)

[Ed N.]

Lots of good tips already. Here's mine:

When you're picking up your child at his elementary school and the lady at the front desk asks to see your picture ID, do NOT use your CCW permit.

Trust me on this one.

[willyjixx]

ROFLLAO


oh god i wish i could have seen her face!


hey Hank:
2. Don't go anyplace with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun.

easier said than done. cant go in a public building with a a weapon an like ed said above what if you got to pick up your kids.

i think the main thing that everyone is getting at is

DISCRETION

remember the key word. CONCEALED. make those two words your watch words as well as SITUATIONAL AWARENESS an youll do fine

[Minuteman]

What I've found useful is to have as many concealed carry options as possible. So, I have an undershirt-type holster, a Miami Vice-style shoulder holster, an inside-the-waistband holster, a fanny pack holster, a small-of-the-back sport holster, a belly band holster, Thunderwear, and I've even used a jock strap as a holster on occasion.

When at all possible, carry on your person rather than in a briefcase or in something that you can put down, forget to pick up, or have stolen.

Unfortunately, my least favored method of carry (fanny pack) is my most common method of carry simply because of my work situation.

Your physique will often influence which concealed carry options work best for you, and might influence your choice of carry weapon as well.

While waiting for your CCW, carry around the house to get used to the various methods. When I carry around the house, I prefer either the Miami Vice-style shoulder holster or the Thunderwear worn outside my pants.

Be creative, and keep in mind that you're exercising a right that comes with a hefty degree of responsibility.

People have mentioned knowing the laws in your state/locality. I've noticed something over the past several years about mass shootings. They tend to happen where guns are not allowed (schools, courthouses and federal office buildings, and churches). I'll leave it at that.

[Edited to add] Oh yeah, striped or patterned shirts work better for concealed carry better than single color shirts.

[Gordon Fink]

Zahc, concealed carry will eventually become easier for you, because crashing your bike, playing basketball, jumping out of boats, taking stairs two at a time, and running when you should walk will soon put you in a wheelchair. ;)

~G. Fink, joking … but only a little

[HankB]

willyjixx -

What I meant by "Don't go anyplace with a gun that you wouldn't go without a gun" was don't go looking for trouble. For example, say there's a pool hall where Hell's Angels hang out and mug people - you'd tend to avoid it, right?

Well, if you carry a licensed handgun, it's STILL a good place to avoid.

[willyjixx]

ahha !

thanks for the clarification hank! i heartily agree!

[zahc]

G. Fink:

That's what everyone says but that's my style. Good luck so far.;)

[Trebor]

It's actually amazing how little you need to change your wardrobe or activities with the right gun/holster/carry positin combo.

I carry a Makarov in a IWB clip-on holster at the 1:00 O'Clock position just in front of my right hip. This differs slightly from the standard appendix carry in that the gun is still pointed outboard, AWAY from my groin. (I don't want kids, but a 9x18mm vasectomy still doesn't sound pleasant...)

I'm amazed how well the gun conceals in this position and how comfortable it is to carry. I usually wear jeans and a T-shirt, and the gun disspears under all but my smallest and tightest shirts. Most of the time I can still wear the same size shirts I usually wear without having to buy a size larger.

The only change I'm going to make is to replace the cheap IWB holster with a custom made clip-on IWB. The one I have works OK, but I'm a little concerned about retention during any really strenious activities.

This is the gun I wear all the time. I also have a CZ 75 in a Milt Sparks VM-2, but I don't carry it nearly as often as the Mak as it requires a much more substanial cover garmet and isn't as comfortable for as long a period of time.

[pax]

Zahc,

Don't sell yourself short. If you are willing to give it a good try, you can find solutions that will work for your life & lifestyle.

Shameless bragging, to show you what I mean, from a post I wrote on another board awhile back: So my family and I went camping for almost two weeks, over at the beach. During most of this time, my husband was working out of town, leaving only me, our five boys, and two of the kids' friends to camp without him. (This is a vacation???)

Later on, husband rejoined us along with two other families we know, who were with us on the 4th of July as we watched the most awesome fireworks spectacle in the nation.

I shared a tent with our two youngest boys (ages 6 and 7), while the older boys slept in a tent of their own.

There was all kinds of weather, from nasty high winds and cold icky rain to pleasantly warm sunshine. Often the nasty cold yucky weather and the warm nice weather happened on the same day -- sometimes just an hour or so apart. So in the course of a day, it would be prudent to change clothes many times over -- or at least peel off a layer or two as the day warmed up.

I had to re-pitch one of the tents because of the aforementioned wind and rain, and chase down and re-set a large tarp which had been protecting one of our less-waterproof tents. This of course involved bending, lifting, carrying, reaching, and cussing.

I had to squat down to start (or supervise the starting of) the campfire every morning and night, plus duck to get in and out of the tents. And reach up high to hang the wet clothes, reach high to light the lantern, and crawl around on my knees looking for the dropped flashlight.

We spent much of the time going back and forth to the beach, involving wet, sandy changes of clothes.

On our trips on and off the beach, I often had to carry a beach bag, a handful of sopping wet clothes, a chair or two, somebody's shoes, and once (along with all the above) a small child who had cut his foot that wouldn't stop bleeding.

So!? Well, here's the thing, people. I wore my Glock 26 successfully for the entire trip, and at no time did any of my children, their guests or our friends who came later suspect I was carrying it.

I feel pretty good about that. :)
If I can do it, so can you. :p

pax

There is nothing so easy but that it becomes difficult when you do it reluctantly. -- Publius Terentius

[general]

This was a good old thread to read... I just applied for my C.W.P. here in Colorado. Nice people at the office - Just figured I better read up some more on these issues you have already run into. Maybe I can learn form others experience and avoid some unpleasant experiences of my own.

[WhiteKnight]

Be advised that those quality gunbelts may set off metal detectors, depending what type of stiffener they have inside.

Well, if it's part of your CCW setup already, the metal detector's gonna go off anyway. :neener:

[MaterDei]

I've even used a jock strap as a holster on occasion.
Minuteman, I've just GOT to hear the details!

Michael

[MyRoad]

Many folks would say if you are going to carry a gun, you should also have pepper spray and a cell phone with you, at all times. For those struggling to conceal one gun and a spare mag, these additions might seem undoable, but it's something to think about. Also, as possibly mentioned (I think I read every post!) when you are deciding on a set-up for carry, try drawing from every position you might find yourself in; standing, sitting, in a car, etc.

Lastly, no matter how solid you think your rig is, avoid the temptation when in the Mall to try the inversion boots at that specialty sports store. I know it's tempting. ;)

[spartacus2002]

Try several holsters (if buddies will let you borrow for a day) and see what you like the best (IWB, OWB, shoulder, etc.) Go with what makes you comfortable and allows you to draw.

Run several boxes of your carry ammo thru your carry pistol to make sure it works. Even if it is $19 for 25 rounds like Speer GOld Dots or Hydrashocks. You MUST know it will feed that ammo consistently. It is money well spent (and then you can use cheap hardball for practice.

When carrying, be a gentleman and never start a fight.

Oh, and one other thing: if your kids are loudmouths, don't let them know that you're carrying when you take them somewhere. Trust me on this one. Nothing is as embarrassing and endearing as a 6 year old son saying to total strangers "My daddy has a gun in his belt":fire: :D :fire: :D

[Jayman]

If you have the time and money, seek out training. Every pistol class I took was worth WAY more than I paid for it. Seek out experts and get their advice. John Farnam writes some on his page:

http://www.defense-training.com/quips/quips.html

And as always, practice practice practice. There is probably a 99.9999% chance that firearm will never be needed to defend you and your loved ones. The problem is that when that 00.0001% time crops up, you will need to be able to do it WELL.

Lastly, the CCW class I took wasn't amazingly valuable, but one thing the instructor said has always stuck with me. It's probably just a restatement of what has already been said:

"If you feel unsafe at the grocery store, you don't need a gun, you need to go to a different grocery store."

[jamz]

OK, what have we learned about CCW? Let's summarize the posts:

Pretend you're not
Know the Law
Get a good Belt
Remember to carry it
Remember to carry it
Practice
Practice
Practice
Get a good belt
No fights
Don't tell anyone
know the laws
Practice
Carry a spare mag
Don't drop it in the toilet
Get a good Belt
Conceal it well
Don't tell anyone
Conceal it well
On body carry it
Off body carry it
Don't conceal it
Carry IWB, not OWB
Carry IWB, not OWB
Carry it OWB, not IWB
Remember to conceal it
Know the laws
Get a "Berami Hip Grip"
Get a lawyer
Get a lawyer
Get a lawyer
Practice
Remember to carry it
Remember to carry it
know the laws
Don't drop it in the toilet
Clean it
Don't drop it in the toilet
Get a good Belt
Practice
Don't tell anyone
Tell your family
Get Kydex
Don't get Kydex

Everyone clear? Great! :D

-James

[Ktulu]

My advice is get a gun and holster combo that are comfortable to carry. Carrying every day is a chore. Make it as easy on yourself as possible. The easier it is the more likely you are to do it. Eventually you'll grab your gun just like you grab your wallet, etc.

[P95Carry]

Ktulu .. you are so right ... it IS a chore! And so as you also rightly say - way to go is getting comfort (relative!).

I have many options and have tried most things - I carry all waking hours, regardless...... it is a part of my apparel. I now have one most favorite set-up and a couple that are close .. and these are what I stick to. But it takes time to arrive at what works ... for you.

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One extra for .... " What's Your Best CCW Tip?" .........

''Keep alert'' ......... but remember, Lerts are fickle creatures and need fed and excercized regularly!:D

[bill2]

I've seen ads for, I think it was Kramer, that look like an undershirt, but come with a holster sewn in. Has anyone seen or tried these? are they practical?

just curious.

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

1. Join the IDPA - then show up and compete against yourself, upgrading your skills and constantly trying to improve.
2. Make SURE you understand the law of your state as regard Lethal Force. It is NOT a joke.
3. Leave the macho testosterone attitude at home.
4. Use common sense and prudent thinking.

[Treylis]

For those of you who freak out about being spotted printing while carrying concealed, I recommend walking around carrying it openly for a while, if it's legal in your area. Trust me, the grand majority of folks don't notice a big full-size 1911 on the right and double mag carrier on the left, mostly stainless, both OWB. Your little Glock 26 or snubbie under even a halfhearted attempt at concealment isn't going to be a problem.

[manyironsinfire]

Most people ARE NOT observent. The ones that are are other gun guy's.. I carry a J frame Ti in a sparks pocket holster 24/7 or a NAA guardian in a wallet holster in loose fitting trousers and NOBODY notices. Remember, dicreet carry is the word. It was 96 degrees yesterday and I was armed without sweating or printing.....

[MikeJ]

It has taken me a while but I have to agree that most people aren't observant at all. When I first began carrying concealed many years ago I thought everyone would notice that I was carrying and so I carried a little .25 Beretta 950 in my pocket. I also bought a S&W Airweight 37 but only carried that IWB with a covering garment figuring that everyone would see it if I put it in my pocket. Lately I have begun to carry it in my right front pocket and guess what, no one has even begun to notice. I see a S&W 642 in my future.:D

[RED-DOG 40]

Willyjixx says:...."NOTHING WAS EVER more embarrasing than fixin somebodies car an my bersa fell out of my pants."

:uhoh:

..So that's the newest "nickname" for it now?

..I'm still LMAO, that made my day.....:D

[DMK]

1) It's a good constant test to see if you are printing. If anybody does make you unintentionally, wouldn't you rather it be a friend?

2) You do not want to any complications affecting the decision on whether to present your weapon. In a critical situation, you do not want a friend to mention your gun out loud, thereby ruining a very good evasion plan.

The only exceptions to this rule are a spouse and a trustworthy (and straight thinking) friend or relative that also carries.

[justice4all]

Tank-top type undershirts are great for wearing underneath other shirts, when carrying IWB.

[Variable]

DMK posted: 2) You do not want to any complications affecting the decision on whether to present your weapon. In a critical situation, you do not want a friend to mention your gun out loud, thereby ruining a very good evasion plan.

I must reinforce this advice! DO NOT tell your friends that you carry unless you are 100% sure they wont blurt something out at the wrong time. Ive had two occasions where friends have asked me if I was packing in public. Despite the urge to tell your friends, dont. I dont anymore.

TIP: When hugging someone put your strong side (your gun arm) under the persons arm. Keeps them from wondering what that hard thing is on your hip...

[Bulldozer]

I've had lead fishing weights sewn into the bottom edge of my lighter weight summer windbreakers so that they don't flap open if they are unzipped. Cheap, effective, and a great way to keep the weapon accesible and not have to unzip or lift and then draw.

[Andrew Rothman]

Aha!

Bulldozer, I sewed a couple of quarters into the bottom hem of my favorite "cover" shirts.

Wouldn't lead leach out in the laundry? Anyone? Bueller? Materials scientists?