Looks what's SMALLER than a .38 snub

Haven't actually gotten my hands on the new STI "Rogue", but according to its spec's a Smith model 36 snub is slightly larger.

Hard to imagine, ain't it?

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Rogue/images/Rogue08_Det2.jpg

what caliber??? ay price yet???? really nice, really

9mm

$1,000+

Find'em here (http://www.stiguns.com/)

9mm. MSRP is $1024.00. Looks nice.

Edit: Looks like doc540 beat me to it.

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kinda like the Springfield EMP??

Kinda like an EMP, but longer and heavier. ;)

Nice gun, but for $1000.00, I'll keep my Smith 940. Also 9mm, but only cost me 500.00. If you MUST have a 1000.00 9mm semi-auto, get the Rohrbaugh. Smaller still and built very well.

"If you MUST have a 1000.00 9mm semi-auto, get the Rohrbaugh. Smaller still and built very well."

But in a SmartCarry holster the Rohrbaugh doesn't have the same safety features as the Rogue.

Great gun, but perhaps not the compact 9mm for everyone's situation.

$1000.00? Nope. I'll never buy a $1000 pistol. Ever. I'll take that money and buy a rifle first.

can't pocket carry a rifle.

That is a good looking handgun. I'm just personally not a fan of most 9mm in a 1911 frame.

The Laws of Physics aren't just suggestions. So, regardless of the spring/guide rod design (Seecamp, etc.) there is a truism worth remembering. In an autoloading pistol, with all else being equal, the shorter the slide (re: recoil assembly) & the more powerful the caliber...the more likely a malfunction. Now, I'm not bashing anyone's decision to carry a short slide design, and I'm not arguing reliability statistics (vs. long slides, revolvers, etc.) but as gun manufacturers continue to go smaller (and smaller) on modified 1911 platforms, it's just something to consider.

Revolvers aren't that small. If you don't count the back of the slide, a Glock 26 is basically the same size as an S&W snubby.

There are much smaller, lighter pocket 9s. I don't think ANYthing tops the Rohrbaugh and it's in that price range.

A Rohrbaugh doesn't have an excellent, natural, proprietary to the user safety catch, nor is it able to utilize many 1911 parts in its repair.

As well, STI is not known for garbage product.

re: "Revolvers aren't that small. If you don't count the back of the slide, a Glock 26 is basically the same size as an S&W snubby."

One can pick and choose various dimensions, but not everyone carries by the same method.

I tried carrying a Glock 26 in my SmartCarry, and I can tell you from experience it was indeed "larger" than my Smith 36. It was the overall width or thickness especially through the slide and grip that made in inapplicable to my carry needs.

The Smith lays more "flat" and gives a smaller pattern in a SmartCarry.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/MPvsSnub.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/glock642.jpg
(not me in the pics, props to the original poster, generic subcompact 9mm)

And while being an excellent subcompact 9mm, the Rohrbaugh doesn't provide as extensive of a safety system as the Rogue (as noted above).

So, there are many factors to consider when trying to determine which small handgun is "best" for many different applications, no?

I tried carrying a Glock 26 in my SmartCarry, and I can tell you from experience it was indeed "larger" than my Smith 36. It was the overall width or thickness especially through the slide and grip that made in inapplicable to my carry needs.

I've had the exact opposite experience, myself, though not in Smartcarry (never tried). In various locations, like IWB or on the ankle, a revolver's cylinder really bugs me. Especially the front of the cylinder! But a Glock is nice and flat. On the other hand, the "hump" in the back makes a pocket draw a little harder. Personally, I really prefer a Kahr MK40 for a very small piece.

Also, that first picture is definitely an S&W M&P, not a Glock. I think the subcompact M&Ps are the same size as a G26/27, though.

A Rohrbaugh doesn't have an excellent, natural, proprietary to the user safety catch, nor is it able to utilize many 1911 parts in its repair.

As well, STI is not known for garbage product.

I was unaware that a safety was either necessary or desirable on a DAO gun. I don't need no stinkin' safety on my DAOs or revolvers, don't want one, just slow me down. I don't particularly like the 1911 platform, anyway, though. Been there, didn't like it. Good thing there's lots of parts out there for 'em, cause they'll need it...:rolleyes:

I was also unaware that a Rohrbaugh was "junk", but heck, it takes all opinions I guess. :rolleyes: I don't consider such expensive guns for carry, anyway. I look for reliability and accuracy. If I can get that at a good price, I go for it. 1000 dollars is way over my budget for a handgun of any kind, especially for carry, at least for now. I still want a Freedom Arms .454 when I can afford such. That's why I like Rugers and Smiths and Kel Tecs and Tauri and such, though, good guns at affordable prices. I can't afford to be a gun snob just yet.

One expensive gun I still would like to get that is very compact is a Smith 3913NL, very compact, very accurate, very reliable, but high at 700 plus dollars. Still, one good lookin', good shootin' DA carry.

"I was unaware that a safety was either necessary or desirable on a DAO gun. I don't need no stinkin' safety..."

Guess I didn't explain myself well enough.

We all don't carry the same way or have the same circumstances to deal with.

My particular circumstances dictate that I carry deep cover in a SmartCarry. When using a SmartCarry and sitting, the barrel is pointed toward the top of one's thigh, close to the femoral artery (not at one's privates, a popular myth).

See where this is going?

A DAO with one in the pipe poses an AD risk especially if one's physical activities make contact and put pressure on the gun through the soft material of the SmartCarry. My physical activities heighten that risk.

I would be one freak trigger pull away from possibly bleeding out or being crippled.

A revolver (requiring a full cylinder turn inside the tight cup of the holster) or a gun with a manual safety is safer in this particular situation.

And lest anyone say "why carry if you can't draw and fire quickly?", I can indeed draw, point and fire within about 3 seconds.

Everyone's situation creates tradeoff's and compromises of one sort or another.

$1000.00? Nope. I'll never buy a $1000 pistol. Ever. I'll take that money and buy a rifle first.

I'd say you pretty much covered it!

My $650 Walther PPS is the finest pocket gun I've ever seen. Safe, too.

There are a LOT of quality guns under 1000 dollars, but hey, that is a fine piece if you like 1911s. :D I can't knock it, certainly a compact and carriable design. For pocket carry, though, I don't know that it's optimum. If you like 1911s, the old Colt Mustang (yeah, I know, .380, yuk) is a real pocket sized gun. If I toted this little gun, it'd be IWB and it'd melt away under a belt and untucked T shirt, I'm sure, as well as my SP101 does. :D Different strokes for different folks.

Excuse me for deviating from the thread a moment...just could not find much in the "Search" area for that new Walther PPS mentioned above....

LongRangeInternational: Thank you for bringing up your Walther PPS. I just did a little bit of internet research and found this auto pistol extremely interesting. At $650 it seems to be the best bargain out there! Wow...I had no idea just how small and flat that weapon was...it just dwarfs the Kel Tec 9mm "pocket" pistols and, of course, you get Teutonic craftsmanship and quality. I read about these earlier...but I thought they were a bit larger than they really are...truly, it is a pocket 9mm. I see it comes with two different size magazines...the larger one is 7 round so you can have 7+ 1...eh? So...may we see a photo? I would also like your comments on firing...accuracy and reliability. All were reported exceptional on the internet, but it always helps to get a personal take. Hmmmm, I might just have to get that one...

The gun choked a few times the first 200 rounds or so of Winchester White box. FTE, failure to lock slide back. That smooth out and disappeared however the malfunctions disappeared using more expensive ammo as well. Had to drift the sights a bit but pretty much dead on at 30'. The finish is like a Glock's, corrosion free but smoother. Slightly larger than other pocket autos but the gun has real sights and is actually pleasant to shoot. Here's some pics and one of my better groups of 2 full mags of Winchester white box. I wholeheartedly recommend this gun Imagine a Glock 26 cut in half and you have this gun. Better trigger than most stock Glocks too. Threw in some pics of it next to my G19 too. The gun points really well and comes with two backstraps, I have the smaller one in.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/IMG_0122.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/IMG_0123.jpg

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