Reloading 9mm= Big savings


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JDGray
March 18, 2008, 09:20 AM
I used to only save about $3 a hundred, reloading 9mm, now it more like $9 a hundred. A buddy of mine just paid over $18 for box of 100 WWB:eek: Sure am glad I reload:)

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par0thead151
March 18, 2008, 09:25 AM
try casting... your savings increase even more!
can you say 200$ initial investment for free bullets for life?
only cost is your time!
so 24$ primers, powder is so cheap too as is uses 4 grains thats 14K rounds per 8# jug. say a jug is 140# for 8#
thats 10$ per 1K powder+24 for primers
brass is range pickup, IE free.
so i have 1K 9 mm for 34$ + a few hours time invested.
how much do others pay at wally world?
not to mention my reloads are so much cleaner

armoredman
March 18, 2008, 10:40 AM
Ditto!

JDGray
March 18, 2008, 12:07 PM
How long does it take to cast 1000 bullets? Seems like a real PITA, but I've never done it, so it may be fun:)

Walkalong
March 18, 2008, 12:10 PM
If you have the time, it is fun and a real cost savings if you can talk local shops out of wheelweights for free. I don't cast any more, but have my stuff if I ever want or need to again. I never clocked myself, so I have no idea how long it takes. :)

scrat
March 18, 2008, 12:13 PM
agreed you start to cast for 9mm and your going to save buckets of dough. 9mm is so easy to cast for too.

armoredman
March 18, 2008, 12:16 PM
Especially when I can use the same mould for 9mm and 38Sp. :) It does take me a while to cast many, but I have fun with it, too.

amlevin
March 18, 2008, 12:17 PM
Casting will work well for a while. Ranges are starting to ban any bullets that are cast, swaged, or have exposed lead. More of an issue for indoor ranges, especially those that are members of NASR. Lead control is becoming very expesive for them. Filter costs for the vent system, disposal costs for the used filters, protective clothing used in range cleanup, etc. Even sweeping is being discouraged in favor of more expensive HEPA filtered vacuums.

Outdoor ranges are coming under scrutiny because of the lead leaching into ground water.

Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see lead bullets of any kind banned soon for range use. At the very least a complete metal jacket or plated bullet will be required.

As for the original topic, 9mm reloading can be real inexpensive, even using jacketed bullets. Buy them 2-3 cases at a time from places like Montana Gold.

scrat
March 18, 2008, 12:20 PM
the total ban of lead will not come. they may limit what you can shoot but they can not ban lead totally. Especially for muzzleloaders, cap and balls. This is where you have to shoot lead.

jcwit
March 18, 2008, 12:40 PM
It is my understanding the U>S> Army did a study regarding lead leaching to the ground water and it was found the lead oxide which formes on the surface stops this from happening. If this is in fact true than the leaching problem is no more.

armoredman
March 18, 2008, 12:47 PM
scrat, Cali already banned lead in many areas, it can be done in leftist areas that knuckle under. I don't think it will happen here, and I will work to make sure it never happens. Also, operating ranges are currently not under haz mat regs, but after it closes, it becomes a Superfund site...

par0thead151
March 18, 2008, 12:57 PM
im curious... what all would it take to electro plate my own cast bullets?
i really like this idea as i hate the residue i get on my fingers while loading 22LR and if that is so with 9 mm i would prefer not to deal with that. then again i will be loading drums(2XTM 9 mm AK that takes suomi 71 round drums)
anyone plate their own bullets?

amlevin
March 18, 2008, 04:34 PM
the total ban of lead will not come. they may limit what you can shoot but they can not ban lead totally. Especially for muzzleloaders, cap and balls. This is where you have to shoot lead.
Maybe not by actual "Law" but more and more ranges are subscribing to the guidelines put out by NASR. So are their insurance companies as well as State Departments of Labor and Industries. LEAD is being regulated not only in the ground but also in the blood of the Range Personnel. If one works at a range they have to be tested regularly for lead levels. Total Exposure times are also being recommended, for example a RSO that works 8 hour days should work only 1 week as an RSO and then be assigned to other tasks for 2-3 weeks in order to limit his/her "Total Exposure".

As I said in my earlier post, more and more ranges are trying to limit lead exposure by banning bullets with exposed lead. Hollow Points are sometimes being excepted because they only produce airborne lead at the bullet trap which is then collected by either the trap or air filtration. As for cast bullets, or jacketed bullets with exposed bases, they are being banned more and more by indoor ranges.
BTW, that goes for muzzle loading or black powder too. They just don't let you shoot them.

Lead free primers, frangible lead free bullets, and totaly enclosed bullets will no doubt become the way of life in the near future unless you shoot in gravel pits.

JJE
March 18, 2008, 05:01 PM
Cali already banned lead in many areas

California banned lead for hunting in one (very large) area in Southern California. The ban doesn't apply to shooting ranges. None of the 3 or 4 ranges where I shoot restrict lead in any way.

evan price
March 19, 2008, 12:54 AM
$3.40/50 rd box for me to reload- but I don't cast.
Still the cheapest to reload, with .38 Spl coming in next.

par0thead151
March 19, 2008, 10:36 AM
anyone who does the electro plating, please chime in.
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/flashcopper.html
i wonder how time intensive this is...
then again it might make for a good winter project here in wisconsin.

Marlin 45 carbine
March 20, 2008, 09:57 AM
where the real savings mounts up is loading your own 'premium' ammo. using Gold Dot, XTP. GS -etc. with Power Pistol. buying this ammo is $$ and in 20 (or 25) round boxes. I load 'em and sell to non-loaders, boxes of 50.

armoredman
March 20, 2008, 10:14 AM
JJE, that's good to know, sometimes it's nice to be wrong. MArlin, was it a pain to get the license? I have some people at work that want me to sell them reloads, but I don't have the reloading license yet.

Seafarer12
March 20, 2008, 11:24 AM
I won't be buying any more 9mm or 40. I bought a bunch of ammo when prices were good wish I would have bought more. When that stuff is used up I will start reloading it. I never fooled with reloading 9 or 40 because you could buy a box of bazer brass for 7.50 a box. Now for the price of a box I can buy a set of dies.

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