Tax return $$....Cetme or Galil?


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volfandan
March 20, 2008, 04:16 PM
Yeah, and both of the ones I'm talking about are Century made crapshoots. I just wanted any opinions or advice. I know that the Golani has some different parts than standard AR Galils, like the gas block and handguards. I also know that some Cetme parts interchange with G-3/HK-91 parts. Just weighing my options here on THR.

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TexasRifleman
March 20, 2008, 04:32 PM
If those are really your only 2 choices than just roll the dice and pick one.

I have to ask though, why is your list limited to things that are a total gamble and potentially junk.

CDNN has PTR91's for $899. That's pretty danged cheap for a quality rifle.

What are you looking at paying for these 2 on your list?

But, if it just has to be those 2, go with the CETME, more parts out there available to get it working.

paintballdude902
March 20, 2008, 04:34 PM
i would go with the cetme


i haver heard bad things about the century galils and decent things about the cetme so i would go with that

MudPuppy
March 20, 2008, 04:40 PM
I've heard lots of bad about both.

I myself, do have both and both of mine are rock solid. (Which means you get a greater chance of getting a dog!:neener:)

Price of 7.62x51 lower in your area than mine? (But Tex makes a nice optional suggestion on the PTR.)

Chipperman
March 20, 2008, 04:54 PM
But, if it just has to be those 2, go with the CETME, more parts out there available to get it working.

I agree with that.

volfandan
March 20, 2008, 07:37 PM
I didn't realize that CDNN had the PTR-91 for $899. Who makes it? Seems like a pretty good deal.....considering $550 to $600 for a Cetme or $750 to $800 for a (Golani) Galil.

GunTech
March 20, 2008, 08:12 PM
Every CETME I've owned has been a POS. Get the Golani/Galil and don't look back. The original receiver issues have been fixed, and they now run like any other AK. What's not to like?

My Golani with Railed gas tube, Burris FastFire (coincident) and M16 mag adapter.

http://guntech.com/galil/golani_fastfire-1.jpg

GunTech
March 20, 2008, 08:17 PM
Lest you think I'm biased, I am. Here's one of the many CETMEs I've owned:

http://guntech.com/cetme/cetme.jpg

I'll never buy another one.

hksw
March 20, 2008, 09:22 PM
I have an IMI Galil ARM (7.62) and an HK91. To save those guns, I've purchased (and shoot) a few post import ban copies and clones and looked at others.

The CETMEs I have have been OK in that they function quite well and throw lead down range reliably and with reasonable accuracy. Certainly, the build quality is quite short of the 91, but nothing excessive. No canted front sights though my first CETME does have a slight bend at the front of the receiver where the front end is welded on but oddly enough it shoots straight.

I have looked at the Galil copies at guns shows and have been meaning to get one to shoot with. Of the ones I've seen, they are not very good in build. The folding stocks are loose (have a lot of free lateral play). Finish not very good. I haven't been willing to pay for those. Could be just the ones I've looked at but I have seen a few.

IMO, as suggested above, the PTR is a better buy. Build quality on the metal is about as good as what came out of HK. Hate the skinny front handguard, though (on the full length models). Liked them enough to buy 2 of them.

LeibstandarteAdH
March 20, 2008, 09:33 PM
Cetme or Yugo AK, stay away from ORF.

Feanaro
March 22, 2008, 05:50 AM
If you know that either one runs and you expect to get what you pay for, go for it. If not, realize that the folks at Century Arms have good days and bad days. CETMEs can often be made to work if you've got a little mechanical ability, no idea about the Galils. You aren't likely to have a high quality piece of craftsmanship either way.

My advice is, if you really want the CETME, save your pennies for a PTR-91. The PTR's heavy barrel kind of annoys me but it's a better product(and I like my CETME). I don't know of any alternatives for the Galil.

Quiet
March 22, 2008, 05:56 AM
I didn't realize that CDNN had the PTR-91 for $899. Who makes it? Seems like a pretty good deal.....considering $550 to $600 for a Cetme or $750 to $800 for a (Golani) Galil.
JLD makes the PTR-91 and the PTR-91 is currently the best HK-91 clone on the market.
They are normally in the $1000-1200 price range. So, getting one for $899 is a great deal.

michiganfan
March 22, 2008, 06:02 AM
My Cetme wa a POS.

az_imuth
March 22, 2008, 09:37 AM
I have one of the early CETMEs from Century with the stainless steel receiver. It has always functioned 100%, is very accurate and looks great IMHO. However, I have heard many horror stories from others with problems ranging from mis-aligned holes, canted sights and bolts that were ground down to fit. Having purchased mine back when they were $299, I seriously doubt that I would fork out the cash at today's asking price. I did contemplate buying a second CETME after they switched to the sheetmetal receivers, but changed my mind after handling a couple at a local shop. The rear sight was tac-welded in place and then painted over. There were other areas where it appeared to have been welded and painted over, and none of the welding looked very professional to say the least.

So...unless I could find another early one with the SS receiver at a good price, I'd have to pass on the CETME.

azimuth

PS- If you do end up with a CETME, invest in some VERY good hearing protection. This has got to be THE loudest rifle I have ever fired.

sammyspizza
April 10, 2008, 02:33 PM
i have a question.
can you put hk 91/g3 stock sets on a CETME?

TexasRifleman
April 10, 2008, 02:35 PM
can you put hk 91/g3 stock sets on a CETME?

Sometimes :)

Some fit without any work at all some take a little fitting to get on.

Never know until you actually try it.

Avenger29
April 10, 2008, 04:06 PM
There was a time back when CETMEs were $300-350 apiece. That was the time when taking the chance with Century's manufactoring was worth it if you wanted a G3 type rifle.

Now, what are they- $700+? Buy a PTR-91 and you won't have to worry about any issues.

I've also heard some bad things about the ORF Galils. So, I wouldn't trust them, either.

You could turn a Saiga into a decent Galil clone, too, and they have good accuracy. If I wanted a Galil style rifle, that's what I would do.

JWarren
April 10, 2008, 04:16 PM
If I were looking at a G3 style rifle, I would grab that PTR-91 and be done with it.

The price difference between what you are likely to pay for a CETME and the PTR-91 mentioned here simply isn't worth the headaches you potentially could have with a CETME.

I'd gone cheap a few times on rifles. I got a Century R1A1 (FAL) that I NEVER could get to run right. It got stolen in a home break-in a while back and I claimed it on my insurance. At least I got SOME money back on that dog.

(Not insulting ALL R1A1's. Some are fine. Mine wasn't.)


Now, I recognize the value of getting a good foundation for the projects that I do-- even if that means waiting a month or so for more money.

-- John

Kind of Blued
April 10, 2008, 04:17 PM
I haven't owned or shot either, but I'd probably go for the Cetme based on the cool factor alone. :)

The PTR91 is a tempting alternative, however...

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