Just got a Bersa Thunder .380


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clubsoda22
August 9, 2003, 05:27 PM
Very happy with it, possibly the most accurate pocket pistol i have ever fired. Offhand i shot sub 2" groups at 15 yards. Fired 50 rounds of hardball and 20 corbon screamers without fail. For $240 (nickle finish), this is an awesome price for an awesome pistol.

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jims98z28
August 9, 2003, 06:15 PM
Awsome! I plan to pick one up next month.

gbelleh
August 9, 2003, 10:24 PM
My Bersa Thunder .380 has been accurate, totally reliable and fun to shoot. Enjoy yours!

Marko Kloos
August 9, 2003, 10:46 PM
Looks like those little Bersas do everything my SIG P232 can do, only for half the price. I may have to pick one up for the wife, as she's been casting longing glances at the P232, and I don't want to part with it...

The Bersas seem to be a certified Best Buy for good, reliable budget guns.

Bowlcut
August 10, 2003, 12:51 AM
My dad has one and is absoluty deadly with it. I can hit what I point at, but dang he can shoot it. He got it a while back out the door with a rug and ammo for a little over 200. Then again he bought it from my uncle that is a dealer....so hardly any markup for family :D. I love the gun and if it wasnt a bit big and heavy Id get one. Just hard to justify its heft for a backup gun when a p-3at is so much smaller and simlar pricing. The Bersa would be a primary gun, where as the keltec is a backup... dont pass up a good priced Bersa tho, their fixed barrels, good sights, and great trigger makes them uber shooters for their cost

slh02
August 10, 2003, 01:03 AM
Just got one as well! Unfortunately we have a 10 day waiting period here in Maryland so I will post more info when I get to fire it.

Question; was your Bersa extremely stiff? Seemed like all the ones in the case were hard to rack and the safety was very hard to engage. Still got one chalking the problem up to being a new gun (although the P99 was not that stiff when we got it). For only $225 , I hope that they live up to everything I have been hearing here on THR.

priv8ter
August 10, 2003, 02:11 AM
The one I got for my wife wasn't hard to rack, but the safety was tight. So, I spent a few nights watching TV flicking the safety on and off, and it seems to have loosed up.

gbelleh
August 10, 2003, 02:34 AM
My Bersa wasn't stiff at all when I got it (it was brand new still in the plastic bag in the box). It was, however, dripping with oil. Once I got it cleaned up, it was fine. The slide has always racked easily, and the safety has always clicked on and off very smoothly, but firmly.

firestar
August 10, 2003, 03:38 AM
I checked out some Bersa .380s last weekend. I noticed that the new guns do seem rather stiff compared to a used one. I also think it is best to handle the gun you wish to buy before you purchase it if you can. There seems to be a big difference between Bersas with some being stiff and having sharp edges and some being made much better.

Vitamin G
August 10, 2003, 04:47 AM
does anyone know of any aftermarket accessories for a bersa? specifically some lasergrips or internal laser sight, or new (non-wood) rubber grips that aren't wrap-overs?

chaim
August 10, 2003, 05:14 AM
Oh no, you've done it now. When you start shooting this little gun and see how good a gun can be for barely over $200 you will have a hard time justifying more expensive guns in the future. Now whatever you do don't buy an old S&W revolver or a Taurus (alloy) auto or CZ or you'll be ruined.:D

Route 66
August 10, 2003, 09:37 AM
I have ben considering the purchase of a Bersa .380. Many years ago I had a Walther PP .32 that the first time I shot it, I got a severe case of slide bite on the web of my hand. The Bersa Thunder seems a bit smaller than the PP. Does the Bersa have the tendency to slide bite?

:uhoh:

priv8ter
August 10, 2003, 10:55 AM
I have never had a slide bite problem when using our Bersa .380...but I did when I tried a Sig p232....

Selfdfenz
August 10, 2003, 11:25 AM
Well, the Bersa is a blow back design and therefore comes with a pretty stong return spring. The safety on mine was tough to engage and like others I worked it a few hundred times and now it's fine.
Don't recall having hammer bite with the Bersa.

The Bersa is proof that under the right circumstances a manufacturer still can produce an accurate, good quality, all metal semi that is also dependable and not too expensive.

It is a best buy.
S-

9x19
August 10, 2003, 11:49 AM
I have a pair of Bersas (Series 95s ~ one in .32 and the other in .380), and they are both excellent pistols in their class.

Good luck with yours.

clubsoda22
August 10, 2003, 04:03 PM
Oh no, you've done it now. When you start shooting this little gun and see how good a gun can be for barely over $200 you will have a hard time justifying more expensive guns in the future. Now whatever you do don't buy an old S&W revolver or a Taurus (alloy) auto or CZ or you'll be ruined.


My first gun was a Taurus PT92 AFS. Only cost $330. Second gun was a winchester defender (only $280) and the bersa is my third. I know how to find bargains. All three are excellent guns. My taurus is just as good as any beretta, my winchester just as good as any remington or mossberg, and my bersa is BETTER than every walther i have tried, no bite and a much better trigger. What will the future hold? Probably an XD if they come out with the subcompact in .45, but that's about 2 years down the road in my mind, so there may be another purchace inbetween. Been making lots of money lately so if it doesn't go into textbooks or the car, you can guess where it goes. Into a piggy bank that has "GUN MONEY" written on the side in black magic marker.

By the way, nothing on the gun was overly tight, and in fact, with the nickle finish, the slide feels like it's gliding. Only problem i had so far was that i shot 70rds through it 10 minutes after i bought it, and the gun was heavily oiled from the factory, so it took me a half hour with #9 and a toothbrush to get the gun clean. Not so much a problem.

blue86buick
August 10, 2003, 04:46 PM
I got a Bersa .380 back in June (27th), and started a thread on here about it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28634

Since then, it's gotten better, but not great. Oh well, if I get a CCW for it, I'll carry it hammer down, safety off, so I'm not going to worry about it. The only thing I use the safety for is as a decocker, or when I'm at the range, in the middle of a mag with a round chambered and the hammer back, and want to put the gun down or in my pocket/hostler while going downrange.

How are you guys achieving such good accuracy with this gun? Either I'm a bad shot (that's not what my 22/45 thinks though), I don't know how to shoot a centerfire pistol (this is my first one), use inaccurate ammo (Blazer), or don't realize the limits of it's accuracy. Or, maybe there's something wrong with the gun. :p

Any of you guys with this gun tried steel case ammo? (Brown/Silver bear, Wolf, etc) I'm poor, and it's nice and cheap, and no brass to worry about reloading....so I'd like to try it.

slh02
August 10, 2003, 05:53 PM
Well I guess I am a little relieved that the stiffness seems more common than not. I was worrying for a little bit there.

9 days left until I get to take it home... :D

9x19
August 10, 2003, 07:31 PM
blue86buick,

I've had excellent results from the CCI Blazer ammo in my Bersa. It is aluminum cased and available in both FMJ and JHP bullet styles. The aluminum case is not likely to wear the aluminum feed ramp on the frame as might the steel cases of the Wolf etc., nor will you need to worry over laquer build up in the chamber if rapid fire practice (or use) is contemplated.

Take a look at www.natchezss.com

They sell the FMJ for $6.24 a box and the JHPs at $10.99, plus shipping of course. I have always had first class service from the folks at Natchez.

Selfdfenz
August 11, 2003, 12:20 PM
I have had a few boxes of Silver Bear in mine.
Functioned fine. Seemed pretty hot. I didn't shoot enough to have a problem with buildup. Funny thing is HP and Ball is the same price and both functioned aok.

The cases were not marked by the extractor or otherwise all that banged up. But then again they are steel and might not show marks but still be giving the chamber edges and extractor a hard time.
I hope that means the pistol is not being banged up too much by the steel case but given the S&B and Fiochii (sp?) is only about a buck more a box I don't shoot the S. Bear any more.
I have shot a far number of brands ober my chrony and they hit advertised spec. (UMC/S&B/Fiochii and so on) (Gold Dot HPs were fast at about 1000 FPS and is my carry load.)

I want this little gun to last a long time.

S-

ninjalawyer
August 11, 2003, 03:04 PM
I got the hi-cap version, the model 85, for my fiancee about a year ago and we both love it. I compared it to the Sig and the Walther and found that it shot appreciably better. Great trigger, amazing grip. The only centerfire pistol I've played with that gives it a run for its money in accuracy is the Beretta Model 84 .380. Magazines are hard to come by, though.

clubsoda22
August 13, 2003, 02:20 AM
that's a problem i've had, Gun came with one mag and i'd like to have three. Factory mags are $30 a pop. ::Opens wallet, turns upside-down and shakes::

Safety First
August 13, 2003, 07:18 PM
Today I am in the process of trying to cut a deal on a Bersa Thunder .380 in nickel. My local dealer has made me a good deal but his distributor is out and I sent an email just minutes before seeing this thread to a dealer in Atlanta to see if he had stock and get a price. So, if I can find the gun and get a good deal I hope to have one shortly... So if anyone here knows of a good deal to be had in Atlanta or middle Ga area,by all means chime in...

FlyinGN
August 13, 2003, 08:50 PM
I have owned both a Bersa Thunder .380 and a Sig 232. Heres my take. I sold the Bersa. The German quality is way better with the Sig. The Sig 's trigger is better. They both were accurate. The Sig I can shoot a little better. BUT.. The Sig sometimes gives me the slide bite if I grip it incorrectly where the Bersa never did.For the $$ its a nice gun. Think of it as the Bersa a Honda Accord and the Sig a BMW 3 series. Both very good but you only get what you pay for:)

Frank

chaim
August 13, 2003, 11:13 PM
Think of it as the Bersa a Honda Accord and the Sig a BMW 3 series. More accurately, think of it as a Honda Accord at a Hyundai Elantra price.

Both very good but you only get what you pay for And sometimes a little extra.

clubsoda22
August 13, 2003, 11:16 PM
I've fired both a sig 232, walther ppk and Bersa thunder in one sitting. I must say the bersa was the best of the bunch. For one, the walther and sig bite, the bersa doesn't, I found that the trigger on the bersa was better than either the sig or walther, mainly for double action as single action they're all about the same. Walther double action felt kinda like the infamous trigger pull on a VP70. It felt like it was around 18lbs. Sig was slightly better, but the bersa was SWEET. Definately was in the single digits as far as trigger pulls go. Single action was nice on all of them. I like the sights on the bersa better. I also like the trigger guard on the bersa better. It can accomidate a gloved hand whereas the sig and walther are a struggle (this should be taken into consideration for a pocket pistol). The bersa is also lighter it seems. Overall, the accuracy was about the same with all the pistols in single action. In double action the bersa was the clear winner, with the sig in close second and the walther far behind, simply because i couldn't pull the oppressively heavy trigger. The sig won for left handed friendly because the decocker can be accessed with the index finger of a left handed shooter, but i found it to be a moot point as A) none of the guns were really lefty friendly as far as safetie go, and B) Who the hell uses the safety on a long DA pull? With the bersa you don't get what you pay for, you get a lot more than you pay for. A gun that is at the very least equal for half the price.

FlyinGN
August 14, 2003, 07:48 AM
Of course the Bersa is gonna have a lighter trigger and thus a easier shhot in DA because the Bersa has a safety anf the Sig don't/ The decocker and hammer 1/2 way down is the safety on the sig. MUCH better in a combat situation.. Just squeeze the trigger. No need to remember to click off the safety.
I can tell ya that the Bersa trigger is in *NO WAY* as smooth as my Sig.

Frank

Ky Larry
August 14, 2003, 10:37 AM
I looked at a new Bersa .380 yesterday. It seemed well built and solid but the safety was stiff and the trigger was very stiff and gritty. Then I looked at a CZ-83 and was reminded why I like CZ's. Fit and finish were 10 times better than the Bursa. The trigger was great both S/A and D/A. The CZ was,IMHO, a much better gun than the Bursa.
Bursa cost NIB $232.20 OTD
CZ-83 cost NIB $312.00 OTD
For $80 more I got 3 times the gun.
I had my dealer order a CZ-83 in satin nickel finish.
Flame away. I've got my Nomex suit on.

Matthew_Q
August 14, 2003, 11:47 AM
Well, no flaming here. Most of us know that CZ makes some FINE pistols for not a lot of money. I'd give them #2 position after the Bersa in the 'bang for the buck' catagory.


I got my Bersa Thunder .380 almost a year ago. Only have about 400 rounds through it, tho. Gonna run a couple hundred more this weekend. The trigger has a little take up in single and double action, but it has smoothed out. The safety was pretty stiff, so I flipped it off and on for a while, and it's gotten smoother. I keep it in condition 2 (round chambered, hammer down, safety OFF), and feel confident with it. Not one malfunction so far.

Absolutely the best $200 I've ever spent on a firearm. My only disappointments are:

Not too many holsters are made for it yet
$30 for magazines. (factory. Promag makes some, but they don't have the finger rest, which I need)

That's IT.

Now I will say this, don't shoot +P loads with it! I've heard of frames being cracked. They work fine with standard velocity and should last quite a while. I highly recommend for a .380/ppk style pistol. When I get my damn CHL, I'll carry it frequently.

Newton
August 14, 2003, 02:14 PM
They are $199 at Gander Mountain right now, I think that was for the 2 tone which is my favorite anyway.

Newton

13xx
August 14, 2003, 02:27 PM
I bought my Bersa thunder 380 at a pawn shop for 200 out the door and have yet to have any problem with it.

I have put somewhere over 700 rounds through it with various loads and brands of ammo.

I have 2 holster for it (both of which fit perfectly and are technically made for a PPK) and have found 7rnd mags for it for under $30, 10 rnd for about $35-40.

Side by side with my buddies PPK the bersa is lighter that an empty ppk while the bersa fully loaded 10+1 and the Walter's slide has a tendency to cut your hand if you have large hands.

Pound for pound I have found the bersa to be just as good as a ppk if not better in some respects. Although the mag safety I could do without.

blue86buick
August 14, 2003, 06:05 PM
Heh...got mine at Gander Mountain for 199. Should've spent the 20/30 bucks more, and gotten the black with silver rather than the silver with black....I (now...didn't at the time) think it looks better. Then again, I was impatient and poor, didn't want to wait until I had 30 more bucks. :banghead:

(that's the reason I'll probably buy a Hi-Point at some point :rolleyes: )


:evil:

gtd
August 15, 2003, 12:56 AM
I've had my Bersa .380 for two years. Use it all the time, CCW. It's great, it's very accurate, it does not bite, and the price is right.

"Question; was your Bersa extremely stiff? Seemed like all the ones in the case were hard to rack and the safety was very hard to engage."

I had this same problem with the safety, at first. Then I had the "brilliant" idea to spray some Break Free into the safety mechanism. No more trouble.

By the way, just use the safety, and you seriously reduce the possibility of shooting yourself in the a$$. :eek: It's not that hard to use.

clubsoda22
August 16, 2003, 04:07 PM
GN: i'm left handed so i don't use the safety on the bersa anyway...why anyone would with a long double action, i dont know.

I think most of the bersa critics have never picked one up and shot 100 rounds through it. I got a similar reaction from a gun shop owner i went shooting with. His first reaction was "For a bit over $200, how good can it be?" He is, of course, a sig and walther stocking dealer. So, I loaded up a magazine and started a shooting drill. I holstered the gun, safety off, hammer down, one in the chamber. I started walking forward from the 25 yard line (The range was outdoors and empty, perfect for shooting drills) and the second I hit the 15 yard line, while continuing to walk forward, i drew and emptied the gun as fast as i could while staying on target (about 3-4 rounds per second). The slide was locked back by the time i crossed the 10 yard line. Every shot landed in the head and neck of the shilouette.

Needless to say both the shop owner and my friends jaws were dropped. My buddy said something to the effect of, "who cares if it's a .380 if you shoot like that." So i handed it over and let everyone play. After giving them a few turns with the bersa my friend is looking to get one from the shop owner who has decided to now stock bersa. It's a fun gun and is completely suitable for concealed carry.

After another range session, I think my dad might end up getting another, as this one was a gift for me. He's thinking if he has a gun that's suitable for carry, he might be prompted to go out and get a CWP.

13xx
August 16, 2003, 04:24 PM
one time me and a friend both tried out my bersa in one hand and his ppk in the other and then switched hands with each. the bersa was both easier to point and had less felt recoil in each hand for the both of us.

im left handed and normally shoot right but on occasion switch up just to keep the left in practice and with either hand and a little practice i can hit the safety quickly and easily.

Mannlicher
August 16, 2003, 04:27 PM
lucky you. The Bersa seems to have the same cult like following as Kel Tec and CZ52, and Makarov. Wonder guns, that out preform the best of the best, and at a 10th the price. :neener:

mlk18
August 16, 2003, 05:47 PM
I am also a huge Bersa fan. Picked one up in a multi-gun trade off and was amazed at it's build quality and performance. More accurate than my EG Makarov (in my hands) with the benefit of being thinner, lighter and having better sights. I have amazed more than one of my friends with the little Bersa, most of who know want one. Very good CCW if you want a .380acp and excellent for the price.

mlk18

clubsoda22
August 17, 2003, 01:58 AM
that one in the pic is close to what mine looks like...though the matte nickel looks darker than that....

Selfdfenz
August 18, 2003, 01:10 PM
Mag-wise, I picked up some replacements from CDNN for about 8 dollars that seem to work just fine. The follower is blue(d) and they have metal bottoms rather than plastic with the pinky rest, otherwise they look about like factory mags and fit flush.

I would love to know where to get some mags that hold 9-10 rounds for thsi pistol.

S-

clubsoda22
August 18, 2003, 02:08 PM
bersa has factory mags that hold 9 rds. Personally, I don't like how they look in the gun. It adds some legnth to the grip. The pro mags on CDNN don't have a pinky rest. Probably good if you want to do deep cover with the gun, but i prefer the pinky rest.

Selfdfenz
August 18, 2003, 06:35 PM
I agree that the pinky rest is a plus

clubsoda22
August 18, 2003, 09:13 PM
it helps both with control and it really goes with the lines of the gun.

Solinvictus70
August 18, 2003, 11:36 PM
The dealer I just got my CZ70 from has Bersa .380's for about $200. Once I get my Mauser 24/47, the Bersa is next.

bblmelt
August 20, 2003, 01:02 PM
there was a small clip under the grip that broke in mine so that the trigger would only work if the gun was held sideways :rolleyes: I ordered a new clip and it broke as well. So I cobbled one up from a piece of wire and that has worked fine for 200 rounds now. I gave it to my cousin for a nightstand gun and I kinda miss it!

blue86buick
August 20, 2003, 01:28 PM
As much as I like my Bersa, I'm thinking of selling it to a friend. Well, as he doesn't have a permit to buy (pistols), he's going to give me money so I can buy a new gun (9mm or .40), then when he DOES have a permit I'll write him a reciept. :) As his GF hates guns though, it'll stay in my safe, and I'll be taking it out periodically to give it a "function check". ;)

When I can convince my sherrif to give me a CCW, I might pick up a Bersa again, but in black...it's purdier. For my current needs (plinking, target, HD maybe), it's not the best tool for the job.

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