Is this rifle a piece of junk or should I buy?


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Girodin
March 22, 2008, 03:39 AM
I dont know much about AR 15s but have always wanted one. I have researched Saigas for several months and have decided to get one. I will likely order it from http://www.classicarms.us/. In looking for the saiga I saw the ARs they have at the top of the page. My question is simple is this gun a decent buy or should I save my money and buy something else.

I am after a reliable gun (relative to other ARs) that I will use manly for plinking, rabbit hunting and playing big boy GI joe. Thanks for any input you may have.

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Evil Monkey
March 22, 2008, 04:12 AM
An ar15 from century arms????

http://people.freebsd.org/~ssouhlal/stuff/lmao-zedong.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D


People have troubles with bushmaster, rock river, sometimes armalite, etc, etc, what do you think would happen with century arms? If that ar15's parts were made by another company and put together by century arms, maybe it would be alright. But even then, simply putting together an ar15 may be too much for century arms.

Hence, an ar15 by century arms= LMAO

EDIT:
OK I just realized the description says that they are made up of surplus colt parts? Eh maybe they're alright. Then again, it is surplus.

no_problem
March 22, 2008, 04:28 AM
Have you checked this one out?

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?shop=1&cart=1037532&cat=33&

Quiet
March 22, 2008, 05:26 AM
The CMMG ARs are a better deal than the Century Arms ARs.

IMHO, a lot of the rifles that Century Arms produces is very low quality.

I find it funny that Classic Arms is calling it's RPKs as sniper rifles when in truth RPKs were used as SAWs (Squad Automatic Weapons).

Kindrox
March 22, 2008, 08:13 AM
You mention rabbit hunting as one of your objectives. This is how I would build my rifle (and did several times)

Go to a local gun show and buy a complete lower, with a 2-stage match trigger. Cost: $350 or so.

Buy a flat top upper, either local or mail order. A good bushmaster upper from pkfirearms.com. With a bolt and charging handle your looking at $500.

Yes it is more than the classic arms AR, but you will have a quality rifle, exactly what you want in a rifle, and one that can last you a lifetime.

Cannonball888
March 22, 2008, 08:55 AM
Century. Yuck!

Chipperman
March 22, 2008, 11:02 AM
Buying C&R guns from Century = :)
Buying new guns from Century = :(

Ford
March 22, 2008, 11:13 AM
+1 on the CMMG bargain bin rifles.
I dont have one ...yet but all the reports seem to be really good. CMMG has a terrific reputation. The guns are basically built with leftover parts that they have if I remember correctly. So they probably dont use the same parts as they do on there other guns but CMMG doesnt build junk no matter what.
A AR-15 built by CMMG for $570 is a heck of a deal. Even if it does end up with a DPMS and not a CMMG lower.

rangerruck
March 22, 2008, 01:39 PM
it is not from century, it is from Classic, and it looks like a classic a2 style rifle, I mean exactly. I would have no probs getting one...

NG VI
March 22, 2008, 01:42 PM
My CMMG bargain bin rifle will be delivered on the 24th! monday I will have my AR!

Yeah CMMG is good news, I don't know if they cost more than the century ars, but they are a great deal and I will be posting about mine this week!

KI.W.
March 22, 2008, 01:52 PM
Sorry,wrong place.

Quiet
March 22, 2008, 06:45 PM
it is not from century, it is from Classic, and it looks like a classic a2 style rifle, I mean exactly. I would have no probs getting one...
Read the description of the rifle.

Classic Arms is selling Century Arms made AR15A2. Mixed parts gun mostly made from Century Arms and old Colt surplus parts.

Sergeant Sabre
March 22, 2008, 08:13 PM
From the ad:

CENTURY ARMS HAS JUST PRODUCED A SMALL LOT OF THESE REALLY NICE AR-15 RIFLES USING THEIR RECEIVERS AND SURPLUS COLT PARTS

Hopefully Century just had to assemble these from good, in-spec parts, and didn't bugger it up too bad.

That said, if these are buggered-up by Century (which I think is a pretty good probability) I can just see people buying these and having awful jam-o-matic experiences with them and coming back to the internet to shout about how the M-16 is junk. :rolleyes:

Avenger29
March 22, 2008, 08:45 PM
Don't buy a Century AR-15. Not only are you taking a chance with the drunk monkey select assembly process, you risk getting a rifle built on Monday or Friday by a drunk monkey.

Trempel
March 22, 2008, 09:01 PM
If anyone can screw up putting together an AR, it would be Century.

Pigspitter
March 22, 2008, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they put M16 fire control parts in their guns and you get a free trip to Club Fed with your gun.

Girodin
March 22, 2008, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the replies. Like I said I am pretty new to all of this so I apreciate any input an explinations of why things are good or bad. What I have gathered trying to research these is:

A) Century arms has a bad reputation and is a crap shoot at best in terms of quality. I was encouraged by seeing the colt parts but had questions about the Century reciever.

B) Classic arms seems to have a fairly good reputation from what I have been able to find.


Thanks for the recomendation of the bargan bin rifles.

I have read about building your own AR but my reservation is that I know little to nothing about the various parts, what to look for, what to avoid, and what I need.

If I passed on these bargain rifles I would be looking to get something like this http://www.impactguns.com/store/BCWA1F16.html

The consensus seems to be that the CMMG is probably a safer buy and money better spent. The non chrome lined barrel ones are the exact same price the chrome lined barrels are slightly more. I would think the money for the chrome lined is worth it. Opinions?

Sergeant Sabre
March 22, 2008, 09:42 PM
See if Classic Arms will agree to warranty one of those AR-15s. If so, it might be worth it to try.

Brian Dale
March 24, 2008, 11:56 PM
I have read about building your own AR but my reservation is that I know little to nothing about the various parts, what to look for, what to avoid, and what I need.There are some very good instructions at ARFCOM. You might read through them and see if it interests you. :)

For assembly instructions, Click Here. (http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782)

Putting a lower together from parts is at about the same degree of complexity as putting together one of those office chairs that you get in a box at Sam's Club or Wal-Mart, in my opinion. I assembled mine because it was fun for me. There's still nothing wrong with buying an assembled lower. Uppers take more tools and skill, and I'm not going to try that any time soon.

You wrote that your primary uses would be "plinking, rabbit hunting and playing big boy GI joe," and I believe that any barrel material would be fine for that.

As I mentioned in another thread, Chrome lined barrels have a good reputation for being easy to clean and for handling cheap "blasting ammo" with the fewest possible snags.

That said, I'll suggest that they're all good. This rifle has enough adherents who are TechWeenies, hard-core users, and very fussy hobbyists that barrel materials which don't perform well aren't currently being made for it. The bugs have been worked out.

Here's the link. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=342276)

Schleprok62
March 25, 2008, 01:11 AM
How about the Olympic Arms Plinker model??? It's around $600. It's a nothing fancy, entry level AR.

Mojo-jo-jo
March 25, 2008, 01:23 AM
Century has cheap milsurp bolt-action imports that are fine. Stay far, far away from anything they build in-house (like their AK's and, in this case AR's). I have personally had bad issues with three Century AK's, all three new and two of them were warranty replacements direct from Century's warehouse.

+1 on the "build it yourself" method. You can put an A2-style together yourself for about $630 or even less if you shop very carefully. I recently built an A4-style for a little under $700 including rear sight. It's easy to build (took me about 2 hours, with no prior experience) and needs little in tools if you buy a complete upper. If you enjoy even basic 'mechancing' (ie. fixing your car), you will have fun building an AR.

That said, the CMMG 'bargain bin' rifles are a great deal, if they still have any.

aaronrkelly
March 25, 2008, 04:59 AM
Ive gotten bad rifles from Classic Arms before....they did me right and refunded my money, all of it - including shipping both ways.

Even so, I wouldnt risk it. At that price you have other options besides Century.....all of which I would take before getting an AR assembled by Century.

Ive got $580 in both of my personal builds....and despite never having assembled an AR before in my life....I will take MY build over a Century built rifle.

CMMG bargain bins run that price.....while I dont think they are the end-all of cheap ARs I would take one ten times over a Century built AR.

yosarian
March 25, 2008, 10:58 AM
I like the idea of these rifles maybe more than the rifles themselves.This could be one screamin deal if the past century problems do not affect this line.I'd like to see what kinds of reviews these rifles recieve before buying one.All that being said I would not mind a "cheap" a2 for the collection.

myrockfight
March 25, 2008, 11:44 AM
I bought a $150 complete lower, a $200 surplus upper in 98% condition (I am not sure of the make, but the rifling is strong and doesn't have any pitting), and $110 DPMS bolt assembly. The guy I bought the upper from threw in the stock set for free.

Total cost = $460!

With the exception of the adjustable stock, it is just like an A2. I am going to order an A2 buttstock for it though and use the other lower I bought as a basis for an M4gery. But I am going to have to save a few pennies for that. I've got way too much money going out right now. I haven't even had time to take the new gal to the range yet to see how she runs! I'm looking forward to it though.

Avenger29
March 25, 2008, 11:55 AM
Nice. Hope it works well.

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