Got me a CZ Mauser 98K


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Afy
March 22, 2008, 03:21 PM
Today... :)

To get around the rigmarole of the legalities with Military calibers... this has been rechambered in 8x60 and is all parts matching.

Downside is the cost of ammo... Only make available is Dynamit Nobel, and is selling for 75 Euro's per 20:what::eek::eek: approximatly USD 107 per 20 or over $5 a shot...

So for the time being it is resting all covered in cosmoline... with grease in the barrell until I can find cases and start loading.
I did buy a singe box of ammo... but dont have the heart to shoot it yet...

BTW donations are welcome..

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Deer Hunter
March 22, 2008, 03:39 PM
Whew, that's a lot of money for a few rounds. Do you live in France?

Float Pilot
March 22, 2008, 04:47 PM
Where do you live and can you explain the no-military caliber ban to us? There should be a lesson here someplace...

KI.W.
March 22, 2008, 04:53 PM
RWS 8x60S cases 33,80€ / 20 piece. Because $ is so weak, it makes 50.

NG VI
March 22, 2008, 05:17 PM
That is brutal! and please explain the "no military calibers" business, that's weird since military and sporting firearms makers have historically borrowed back and forth quite a bit. and military calibers are no more deadly than "civilian" calibers, frequently less so.

The Deer Hunter
March 22, 2008, 08:08 PM
military calibers are no more deadly than "civilian" calibers, frequently less so.

I don't think his government took that, or anything else realistic, into consideration.

Avenger29
March 22, 2008, 09:36 PM
Guys, Afy lives in France, IIRC. Apparently, they can't have military calibers.

xd45gaper
March 22, 2008, 11:08 PM
military calibers OR German military calibers :neener:

SlamFire1
March 22, 2008, 11:21 PM
Guys, Afy lives in France, IIRC. Apparently, they can't have military calibers.

My regrets to Afy.

But that explains something on page 396 of Frank de Haas "Bolt Action Rifles". Mr de Haas shows a sporterized MAS 36 in 7 X 54 caliber. I wondered why someone would do that, as the 7.5 X 54 was a fine cartridge in its own right.

I guess it had nothing to do with logic at all.

Afy
March 25, 2008, 08:12 AM
Am in the Aube region in France.
Weapons are classified into 8 categories, the most common are:

Cat 1: Military calibers, Semi Auto/Bolt, Pistol, Auto. 9MM, 7.62, .308 etc etc. Requires preapproval from local govt, can take upto a year to get approvals.

Cat 3: Semi Auto non military calibers, and pistols/revolvers in non-military calibers. Same as above.

Cat 4: Semi non military conversions.
Cat 5: non Military Bolt action. Under 10 rounds capacity. Need shooting license only.
Cat 7: .22lr, shot guns non repeating. Same as above.
Cat 8 : Black powder... + air guns under 10 joules. ID only + 18 years or older.

Youre allowed 7 weapons in 5+7, and 4 in 1 -4. And as many as you want in 8.
Additionally you can buy upto 1000 rounds of ammo per caliber per year. No limits on reloading. Most people reload.

Avenger29
March 25, 2008, 10:10 AM
That isn't too bad. I'd run to France long before I'd go to England.

NG VI
March 25, 2008, 04:05 PM
That is way better than England!

Still, I like Maine's regulations better- NICS check, that always delays me but never turns me down (frustrating because it's pretty pointless, but for some reason I'm always flagged), and no restrictions on things like bullets or amount of guns allowed to be owned, though FFLs are required to let the ATF know about any high quantities of handguns being sold to one person in a short period of time. Who knows why. just another pointless regulation to try and hem people up on. Give enopugh regulations to follow and sooner or later it will be physically impossible to fully meet all the requirements.

porsche
March 25, 2008, 04:15 PM
of course France is better than England. Have you campared English to French cooking?

Afy
March 25, 2008, 07:55 PM
English cooking can be interesting as well...

I spend a lot of time in the UK as well... but dont shoot there.. the rules are just waay too draconian.

BTW its easier to buy a Black powder weapon or a rim fire in France, than a paint ball gun... :rolleyes:

Tim the Enchanter
March 25, 2008, 08:22 PM
you can buy upto 1000 rounds of ammo per caliber per year

Only 1000 rounds per year, even .22LR? What do you plink with in France?

paintballdude902
March 25, 2008, 09:39 PM
1000 of ammo? what i hav atleat 200 12guage and im running low

i probably have 5000+ .22lr

Afy
March 26, 2008, 06:29 AM
.22LR and shotguns no one seems to care about... ditto with BP. I have a large qty of .22 LR as well.
They are less likely to sell you 2000 rounds of .300 Win Mag in one go... but the rule is never enforced. Additionally given the cost of ammo in Europe you would need a large amount of cash lying around to buy in those qantities.

A box of 500 Stingers will set you abck almost a hundred Euros. The cheapest .300 Win Mag would be about 1.45 Euros a round.

db_tanker
March 26, 2008, 07:59 AM
This thread begs the question, Afy....

You DO reload, right? :)


I ask this as since the mauser round is 8x57 with a .472" base, and say a 30-06 is 7.62x63, could you use the 30-06 brass to reform to that caliber as the new round you have to use is a 8x60?

This leads to the second question...can you legally have brass, not loaded ammo, from a caliber that was/is military?


As for English cooking...that is a hit or miss situation, IMO. Stick with the cooking on the continent. :)

Tim the Enchanter
March 26, 2008, 04:49 PM
What about casting your own bullets? Is that regulated in any way?
That would seem like the best option.

*not trying to derail the original topic, it's not often I get to ask these questions*

Afy
March 26, 2008, 06:10 PM
Yes I do reload...

Neck size once fired brass from a particular rifle. Currently am begining to do .222 Remington Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum and the 8x60s.
Once I get 6.5x47 Lapua will do that as well.

I have been told its easier to form the 8x60S from the .35 Wheelen than any other cartridge. But in any case I believe brass is available from Dynamit Nobel and Lapua. And in any case I do not plan on shooting it too much... was more to scratch an itch I have had since I first came across one as a child in India.

Casting bullets/balls et al have no regulations... but you do need a license to have ammunition. People do that very often... i.e. cast in all kinds of calibers ranging from .360 balls for black powder through to .375 HH

Since I currently am travelling a lot between the UK and the continent I do tend to buy dies, loading mats etc in the UK since they are cheaper.

In the .222 RM and .300 WM I tend to use Sierra Match Kings or Lapua Scenar so I evidently dont cast. :)

Last weekend I witnessed someone shooting off a bunch of 9mm luger that he found in an ammo can in his field from WWII.

I also believe there are a very large number of 'grey' WWII weapons floating around in France/Belgium. I have not come across any though.

Afy
March 26, 2008, 06:21 PM
Another interesting thing...

A Dragunov in .300 Savage sells for about 1800 Euro's, and AK-47 (semi) in .300 Savage or there abouts for about 1400...

The Dragunov in its military version (7.65x39? not sure) is 1100, and a 'fully auto' AK in the orginal or a AK -74 in full auto for 500 - 700 euros.

Both sets are classified as Cat 1... but the second set will take you about 1.5 years to get clearance, versus about 6 months for the first set of rifles.

The GSG-5 (?) .22 semi auto version of the MP-5 is currently at 650 euros... the real thing in auto... about 400. Now get this the 10mm version in semi auto only is 4000.

Suppressors for all calibers and types of weapons are pretty much over the counter items... and fairly affoardable.

Go figure....

Tim the Enchanter
March 27, 2008, 12:40 AM
How does the licensing process look like? Forms, fees and police interviews? Do you have to supply a convincing reason, or is 'I like fire and explosions' good enough?

SVD is 7.62x54R, btw. Original Russian Dragunovs are pricey here though, not many made it over.

CBS220
March 27, 2008, 12:48 AM
You can get full autos?

That's got to take away some of the sting...

But with only 1000 rounds a year, what good is it?

Boy, I'd go crazy with only 1000 a year...

Afy
March 27, 2008, 05:31 PM
Forms, Fee's, Interviews (Police and Ministry of Interiror for Auto's), Shooting test, Range Records, Verification of safes etc etc...

But worth it IMHO... its going to be interesting for me... because I dont speak French. :neener:

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