HOLY CRAP! Wolf 7.62x39 MC just broke $200 at SG!


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takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 05:45 PM
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=323048

$208.97, club price.

Wow, just freakin' wow ...

:what:

What the heck is it going to be going for in October?

I, for one, intend not to care in the least, because I'm getting it now, while I can without a home equity loan.

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nwilliams
March 22, 2008, 05:50 PM
Sad isn't it:(

takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 06:27 PM
We have a weak dollar and China attempting to corner the market on every raw material available. Sad? Yes. It's also inevitable.

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/1y?usdeur=x

Check out what the buck has done against the €uro over the past year.

goon
March 22, 2008, 07:58 PM
It sucks, but if you don't have enough ammo, pony up and buy another 1K now.
I doubt it will be any cheaper this time next month.

On top of that, I checked out the local wal-mart this morning...
They are out of Federal bulk pack .22. I didn't ask but it wouldn't suprise me if they were OUT and not just out.
The rumor about PA wal-marts being out of WWB 9mm ammo also seems to have some credibility. I checked a couple different wal-marts and both guys at the sporting goods counters (I BS with them when I buy stuff there and both are shooters) told me the same thing about their warehouse being out of it.
I haven't seen any WWB 9mm ammo in over three weeks.

I'm also informed that Federal ammo prices will be increasing again at the begining of April.

IMO, if you want ammo you had better buy some now.
Everyone should try to get at least an ammo can full for every caliber they shoot.
There is nothing wrong with more but that's a realistic goal that everyone should be able to reach.

kcmarine
March 22, 2008, 08:03 PM
Eh. We need to get the Russians and Chinese pissed off at each other again... kill two birds with one stone...

goon
March 22, 2008, 08:13 PM
No point in doing that - then the Russians would need all their ammo production capability and it would get even more expensive.

nitestocker
March 22, 2008, 08:18 PM
just for awhile:evil::D

Flash!
March 22, 2008, 08:36 PM
am I crazy for stocking up? I've spent over 2 thousand dollars in three months on ammo....I have 500 to 2000 rounds for every caliber I shoot...and I shoot a lot different calibers....

kcmarine
March 22, 2008, 08:39 PM
Two thousand?

22-rimfire
March 22, 2008, 08:47 PM
Two years ago I was buying ammo that I shoot as the price started rising noticeably. I view the situation today as no different. I just continue to buy when I have funds available.

Avenger29
March 22, 2008, 09:30 PM
Well, I'm glad that I don't have a huge varied amount of calibers to cover (just .22LR, 9mm, .30-30, 7.62x54, and 12 Gauge), and that I have reloading equipment.

takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 10:02 PM
am I crazy for stocking up? I've spent over 2 thousand dollars in three months on ammo....I have 500 to 2000 rounds for every caliber I shoot...and I shoot a lot different calibers....

You need to think about the advantages of simplification.

Really, you only need one caliber, .22 LR, for repetitive training and small game hunting, if it comes to that, two for defensive handguns (one, "mouse," for a vest-pocket/hide-out piece, one a "normal" caliber for CCW, etc.), one intermediate 5 to 6mm-ish (if not 7.62x39) for your CQB rifle/s, and something approaching 8mm for longer reach applications, including large game hunting, again, if the Piggly Wiggly has decided to close for good.

There is an argument, like Avenger29 makes, for reducing your caliber footprint. Of course, my take with handguns has been to hold onto what I have, and find innovative ways to ensure that I could make use of cheap ammunition as I run into it -- extra barrels here, conversion kits there, revolver cylinder customizations elsewhere, so that I can double calibers up on single platforms wherever possible.

With rifles, it isn't always so easy, but I have a sufficient amount set aside so that I could get through a crink in the supply line for a while, and platforms that are fairly standard, with one glaring (but I ain't ditching it) exception.

RP88
March 22, 2008, 10:02 PM
if we would get out of the 'war' and suck up the short run punch of producing crap ourselves then ammo prices wouldnt be going up and the dollar wouldnt be going down.

elmerfudd
March 22, 2008, 10:56 PM
I just try to buy lots when it's cheap. I bought 3 cases of 8mm at $55 a case, several cases and sardine cans of 7.62x54R at between 8 and 12 cents a round and I still have about 1200 rounds of .308 left over in SA and Port battle packs that I bought at around $35 each.

I've debated getting into 5.45, but I don't have a rifle to shoot it and I already have two 5.56 AK's.

xd45gaper
March 22, 2008, 11:03 PM
thats a good excuse i use on my wife for my ammo buying! the price just keeps going up im trying to hedge against high prices in a few months! lol

i just purchased 2k rounds of Wolf 5.45 while it is still cheap around 160 a case with shipping

Flash!
March 22, 2008, 11:06 PM
At last count, I shoot 23 different calibers and I actually reload for 18 of those.....and at my age, I may never have to buy ammo again....stocking up seems like a good idea to me, before the prices go higher and as long as I can afford it, and before the democrats try to outlaw it....I shop online and only buy the cheapest deals I can find. I also stocked up on primers for reloading....

esmith
March 22, 2008, 11:08 PM
Eh. We need to get the Russians and Chinese pissed off at each other again... kill two birds with one stone...

Yes. That is true.

I bought 4400 rounds of federal bulk pack at my local walmart earlier in the week along with 200 practice loads for my 1200, all for around $150. 5 months ago i could get remington thunderbolts (which work great in my .22s), 500 round brick for 11 bucks. Its at 18 dollars now. Now im going to throwdown more money for mosin ammo.

The way i see it, its just going to get worse to the point where the entire sport of shooting isn't worth it anymore, and the community will die until we have a Russian, Eastern European, or Chinese conflict that will open the floodgates of ammunition into the US once again. That being said, we need to stop the propaganda of guns being evil so we can actually have those ammunition and weapons shipped to the US.

If it ever reaches that point, where its costs more than its worth, ill sell all my guns excluding my .22s and get into another sport.

XD-40 Shooter
March 23, 2008, 12:27 AM
Last month I used my free shipping promotion with my buyers club renewal to order another 1000 rds of Wolf Military Classic 124 gr HP, for $175!:D This on top of the (800) 154 gr soft points that I have. I timed that just right, I knew what was coming.

Last week, I ordered another 1000 Ranier 155's to load in my 40, they were on sale at Midway for $84.99, down from $99.99, I was all over that. Last year I bought (3000) 155 grain Ranier's from Midway, for $225 with free shipping, that was a good move.:D

Bought another brick of Federal 22's at wally world for $11.97/550 rds, yesterday, I now have 2000 on hand.

I'm actually thinking about ordering a 3rd case of 7.62x39, before the price goes up again, possibly over $250/case.:uhoh::eek:

xd45gaper
March 23, 2008, 12:37 AM
SG is high priced ammo anyways, check out aimsurplus for your ammo needs there are plenty of dealers on the internet right now you can have 7.62x39 for WAY cheaper than 209$ a case!!!!!

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 01:00 AM
SG is high priced ammo anyways, check out aimsurplus for your ammo needs there are plenty of dealers on the internet right now you can have 7.62x39 for WAY cheaper than 209$ a case!!!!!

Right. Not all 7.62x39 is created equal. The Wolf MC HP 124 grain has what's called the 8m3 HP bullet in it, which is something beyond run of the mill put-a-hole-in-paper range caca.

Covered here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=338255

Average performer at AIM: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Wolf_7.62x39_122grn_FMJ_Poly_Performance.html

Unknown quantity at AIM: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Brown_Bear_Military_Spec._7.62x39_FMJ.html

I'll stick with what I know.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158778

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2338/ulyhp0hc.jpg

nathan
March 23, 2008, 02:03 AM
If you find this Russian Ulyanovsk ammo, it is great stuff. My son shot a hog this week and it blew up the inside. It works and is cheap ammo. What if its human tissue?

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/nathan_068/HPIM1281.jpg

This is the exit wound.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/nathan_068/HPIM1263.jpg

The only copper jacket fragment taken from the tissue around the wound.

[IMG]http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/nathan_068/HPIM1277.jpg

rangerruck
March 23, 2008, 02:23 AM
try here;http://ammunitiontogo.com/

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 02:40 AM
The Wolf MC 124 gr. HP is the equivalent to the stuff you took that hog with, that is, at least the projectile is the same. Its fragmentation is incredible, which is why the exit wound on that hog is so terrible.

And it's only $219 per K at Ammunition to Go. :(

JadeRaven
March 23, 2008, 02:48 AM
I think I have about 1500 rounds of that ulyanovsk. . . :)

Ammoman has wolf and golden tiger for $199 and $189 delivered. I think that's the best price out there right now. I would probably go with the golden tiger, save ten bucks and it's slightly cleaner ammo (supposedly).

JadeRaven
March 23, 2008, 02:50 AM
SG is high priced ammo anyways, check out aimsurplus for your ammo needs there are plenty of dealers on the internet right now you can have 7.62x39 for WAY cheaper than 209$ a case!!!!!

I thought so too until I looked just now. Seems like a couple weeks ago $170 was the best price, but now it's creeped up to just about $200.

35 Whelen
March 23, 2008, 03:17 AM
Why does anyone buy ammo at Sportsmans Guide???? I've never seen anything there I thought was a good buy. Want a good buy on 7.62x39? Check this out: J & G Sales Totally Awesome Price on 7.62x39 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/7-62x39-golden-tiger-fmj%2C-1000-round-cases-/products_id/1741?osCsid=2fed35eac7460faafdc461f3ba2f9076)
Besides....why does everyone "stock up" on this caliber? I figure if ever the SHTF, there'll be plenty of weekend warriors running around carrying AK-47's with 40 rd. banana clips from whom I'll shanghai my ammo!:D
35W

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 03:26 AM
I figure if ever the SHTF, there'll be plenty of weekend warriors running around carrying AK-47's with 40 rd. banana clips from whom I'll shanghai my ammo!

Brigandage?

Niiiiiiiiiice!

Not.

http://www.answers.com/topic/brigandage-1

Oh, and yes, they have cheap ammo, and again, it isn't the same stuff.

35 Whelen
March 23, 2008, 03:29 AM
Brigandage?

Niiiiiiiiiice!

Not.

http://www.answers.com/topic/brigandage-1

Oh, and yes, they have cheap ammo, and again, it isn't the same stuff.

:confused:

stealth
March 23, 2008, 03:31 AM
takhtakaal - do you have any further links to the 124gr HP, preferably pics in gelatin.

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 03:31 AM
:confused:

Shanghaied ammo from "weekend warriors"?

Sounds like you intend to pop them from a distance and rob their corpses.

Really, really High Road stuff, yes.

Stick with airsoft, please?

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 03:36 AM
http://www.snipersparadise.com/tsmag/june2000.htm

Also, http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11907, and others ... do a search on "8m3" and 'sapsan."

takhtakaal - do you have any further links to the 124gr HP, preferably pics in gelatin.

35 Whelen
March 23, 2008, 03:45 AM
Shanghaied ammo from "weekend warriors"?

Sounds like you intend to pop them from a distance and rob their corpses.

Really, really High Road stuff, yes.

Stick with airsoft, please?

Sorry...I'll try to be more politically correct. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I live in a rural area on a fairly large plot of land away from the road. If I can see someone from my house, they're likely trespassing.

35W

wcwhitey
March 23, 2008, 09:04 AM
It is still possible to get lucky. I went to a small local gun shop on Friday. The guy had 20% off all Winchester ammo and Silver Bear at last years prices. I got .45 FMJ Winchester White box for $12.00 a box and Silver Bear .308 for $6.99. Bought all he had of each. You have to keep a few bucks hidden in the wallet for just such an occasion. Good deals are harder and harder to find. Nothing worse than watching a gun shop owner change the prices on ammo that has been sitting on the shelf for years because they heard that prices are going up, seen that happen lately, won't buy there anymore. The stuff was still there because his prices were too high anyway.

nathan
March 23, 2008, 11:09 AM
Its getting worse everyday. Ammo prices are an all time high. I ordered the Ulyanovsk HP from Century Arms long time ago for $95 for a 1000 rds with another 1000 rds of the Sapsan FMJ for same price. Then $ 10 shipping. I still have few hundreds left to keep for hunting purposes. Now my son is getting interested to shoot the AK 47. SO that means I have to order more . I may have to go with the Golden Tiger bec I heard its more cleaner. I will stay away from WOlf if at all possible.

35 Whelen
March 23, 2008, 11:16 AM
I've shot quite a bit of Wolf, Barnaul and Golden Tiger. I'll take the Golden Tiger hand-down anytime. It's been the most accurate in my rifles; almost as accurate as my handloads.
35W

nathan
March 23, 2008, 11:33 AM
The hog was 20 yds a way. Very amazing results from a mil round. It does its intended purpose.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/nathan_068/HPIM1236.jpg

salthouse
March 23, 2008, 11:37 AM
$179 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Wolf_7.62x39_122grn_FMJ_Poly_Performance.html

kcmarine
March 23, 2008, 01:05 PM
Now my son is getting interested to shoot the AK 47. SO that means I have to order more . I may have to go with the Golden Tiger bec I heard its more cleaner. I will stay away from WOlf if at all possible.

Don't worry about it. It's an AK, after all. It's SUPPOSED to digest dirty ammo.

Now... if we're talking ammo for an AR... yeah.

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 01:07 PM
$179: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Wolf_7.62x39_122grn_FMJ_Poly_Performance.html

People need to read whole threads. The Wolf Military Classic Hollow Point 124 grain, manufactured at "Uly," is way outside the league of that Tula black-box crap. If I wanted to, I could find substandard 7.62x39 crap all day long for less than $200/K.

Read up: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=338255

kcmarine
March 23, 2008, 01:09 PM
And one more thing...

About the hog... HOLY CRAP I DID NOT KNOW 7.62x39mm SOVIET COULD DO THAT TO AN ANIMAL.

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 01:12 PM
About the hog... HOLY CRAP I DID NOT KNOW 7.62x39mm SOVIET COULD DO THAT TO AN ANIMAL.

You should see what that particular round manages to do to inferior steel plate, too.

You think it's just good on gelatin and carcasses?

:what:

That's why I'd like to keep a good supply of it.

JediJJJ
March 23, 2008, 07:59 PM
Try looking here for lower prices.

http://www.gun-deals.com/ammo.php

JadeRaven
March 23, 2008, 09:27 PM
You should see what that particular round manages to do to inferior steel plate, too.

You think it's just good on gelatin and carcasses?



That's why I'd like to keep a good supply of it.

Yeah I got a bunch of 9mm hollow points recently. . . and realized that even if bad days came, I shouldn't be reaching for the pistol. So yeah I'm trying to sell it and get more 7.62x39 :)

takhtakaal
March 23, 2008, 10:38 PM
Yeah I got a bunch of 9mm hollow points recently. . . and realized that even if bad days came, I shouldn't be reaching for the pistol. So yeah I'm trying to sell it and get more 7.62x39

Not that I mean for this thread to veer all over the place, but you said something that seemed to need a response, rifle-related or not. Your point about the amount of 9mm is well taken, and ...

Really, you need so much FMJ/MC for occasional practice, but a pistol is generally a last-ditch item. Most people have three magazines that they rotate with another set or two, but even keeping those filled, in a high-cap, is somewhat north of three boxes of 50 or so. Let's figure on three to five slow rotations in and out of carry ammo (yeah, face it, it's a "wear item") at about four to six month periods each. Over two and a half years, if you were to cycle it out entirely every six months, only keeping six filled at a time, for, say, a Glock 17, you'd only be at 510 rounds or so, give or take the one in the chamber. So I don't see what it pays, other than as something to convert into something else of value, to keep thousands and thousands of rounds of first-tier defensive pistol ammunition around.

FWIW, I've stocked up on the Remington 115 gr. JHP 100 round VPs (L9MM1B) from W*M -- it's the most reasonable way to break it down into chunks, so to speak, and none of the online places can come close. No, it isn't +P, it isn't cutting-edge design, but it works.

Here's a test report: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ammunition-reports/39216-rem-115gr-standard-pressure-water-denim-test.html

ColinthePilot
March 24, 2008, 01:15 AM
I stock up on rifle ammo. I've got 300+ 30.06; 800+ 7.62 Soviet, and a couple Federal bulk packs of .22LR. I'm buying a few cases of 7.62X54R from J&C sales tomorrow. They're the best price I've found for 54R. I only keep a hundred or so of 9mm and probably less than 100 of .380ACP. Hopefully within a year I'll have my own place with a garage or a basement where I can set up a reloading rig, but right now its not practical (or legal). Nor is storing amounts of ammo that would qualify as "stocking up" to most here.

Also, I see ammo prices as being very similar to everything else that is increasing in price. When my parents were kids, they wouldn't imagine gas being over a dollar, much less 3. I remember gas being 95 cents, and that was only 6 years ago. Everything gets more expensive, ammo is not excepted. We will complain, but we'll keep paying for it.

Also, did anyone notice the timestamp on Nathan's pic (post #36)? 5:56. I know its a 7.62 rifle, but thats not a real time.

mudslinging79
March 24, 2008, 01:18 AM
sportsmens warehouse just down the road sells wolf for 4.79 a box... i used to get it from sg, but the price went up too high to justify it. also have a sporting goods store that advertises 1000 rounds for $200 in the neighboorhood

rr2241tx
March 24, 2008, 03:10 PM
That's about what it looks like at my place at 5:56pm this weekend. Well, except there's more hogs, no feeder and you'd be staring down the barrel of an 8mm at a boar as big as a Kia.

Honestly, X39 is fun to shoot, but when I go shopping in the pasture I take enough gun so I don't have to pick through the cactus to find supper.

And if you think $200/thousand is expensive, then you need to ship me all your Mausers for safe keeping.

nathan
March 24, 2008, 03:32 PM
Assuming the war in Iraq and Afghanistan ends and troops come home in a year, maybe prices of the 7.62 x 39 will settle back. Then the Dem s will ban more importations and we all be screwed!

takhtakaal
March 24, 2008, 04:06 PM
I think part of the sensitivity that some of us (including me) have towards ammo price increases is a reflection of the quantity below which we refuse to go in a given caliber.

Some people seem perfectly content in an EBR to have one case that never gets touched. Others insist on three, or five. Some of us, perhaps the more paranoid of the Tackleberry types (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdmnMtpAwI), think 20K rounds is a bare minimum. Plainly put, that crap adds up.

The only answers are (1), to figure out what you think you need, and stick to it like a disciplined bidder at an auction, and (2), get what you can, cheaply, when you can. The other year, when Wal*Mart was undergoing its inventory shakeup and restructuring, I unashamedly grabbed a bunch of the 40 round WWB .223 Remington 55 grain Israeli-made value packs for a grand total of $164.30, including tax. Arguably, this stuff can be compared to the Q3131, and the last I saw, that was now going for close to 50¢ a round, not 13¢ after taxes.

2nd 41
March 24, 2008, 05:28 PM
How is the quality of this stuff? I'm an informal target shooter only. Is this ammo ok. The price is palatable. Anything negative about this brand?. Thanks.

chupacabrah
March 24, 2008, 05:51 PM
How is the quality of this stuff? I'm an informal target shooter only. Is this ammo ok. The price is palatable. Anything negative about this brand?. Thanks.


it is dirty russian ammo.

if you don't mind that, it's great (ie. 7.62 nato). probably not a good idea to shoot in .223, but i guess it varies.

takhtakaal
March 24, 2008, 06:02 PM
How is the quality of this stuff? I'm an informal target shooter only. Is this ammo ok. The price is palatable. Anything negative about this brand?.

It's fine in 7.62x39, but the rap on it (by some) is that the 5.56 steel case is hard on AR extractors.

Since you're shooting informally, buy your ammo like you would gas for a rental car.

MCgunner
March 24, 2008, 08:08 PM
Have dies. Ain't skird.

Walkalong
March 24, 2008, 09:12 PM
Have dies. Ain't skird.
Love it. :)

That is one I don't have. I guess I need to get a gun that shoots it first though. Maybe soon, before it gets difficult. Should have bought an AK 15 years ago, or at least 10. :)

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