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SavageMOA
March 22, 2008, 05:33 PM
I decided to save a little money on scope bases and rings when I bought my Savage 12FV in .223. My father told me that the bases really won't make a difference as long as they hold everything securely. I spent about $25 all together on the bases and rings. The rifle will consistently shoot 1" groups at 100 yds (I know it's capable of better but i tend to shake a little.) My question is, should I sink the extra cash and replace the cheap bases or will the ones I have be ok? Do expensive bases and rings really affect the scope holding zero that much?

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takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 05:39 PM
Buy once, cry once.

SavageMOA
March 22, 2008, 05:56 PM
haha care to elaborate on that?

takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 06:03 PM
Always go with the best rings and base that you can get, as a scope is only as good as the mount it sits on.

"Scope cheap vs expensive" (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209729)

moooose102
March 22, 2008, 06:27 PM
i guess my feelings are if it aint broke, dont fix it. if the scope is moving around, chuck those puppies and get a good set. but if its sitting like the rock of gibralter, leave it alone. does the scope have a habit of migrating off zero? if it does, then you know what you must do.

rcmodel
March 22, 2008, 06:39 PM
Back in the day, the cheapest rings & bases you could buy were Weavers.

My 30-06 has had them on it since 1962, and they ain't moved yet.

So, price doesn't necessarly translate to Best.

Like moooose102 just said.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

If the rifle holds zero, the bases aren't moving, and spending another 100 bucks can't improve on that!

rcmodel

SavageMOA
March 22, 2008, 10:28 PM
Amen to that! I have put about 200 rounds through it and it may have shifted but more likely it's me pulling the shots a little.

Art Eatman
March 22, 2008, 10:40 PM
I go along with rcmodel. Been doing it a bit longer, with the same results: Just fine, thank you.

skinewmexico
March 22, 2008, 10:41 PM
If they are holding tight, holding tight for more money won't change anything, except maybe being able to name drop. Put that money into having it bedded, or some trigger work.

takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 10:42 PM
I'm not saying that you have to massage your ego by buying expensive things, but if you eliminate the equipment by knowing that it's at least adequate, if not good, it only leaves you.

On a 200, or a 300 yard shot, so much can be attributed to operator error and equipment problems. But at a much longer distance, with about zero margin for error, well, having good stuff makes for the reliability of a known factor and less variables.

R.W.Dale
March 22, 2008, 10:42 PM
My biggest gripe with e-cheap O bases is , First the hardware is CRAP, stripped allen heads are the norm rather than the exception. Secondly is durability I've actually broken cheap generic weaver rings with hard kicking rifles, and I've had cheap weaver bases not be contoured correctly for the receiver causing all sorts of wobble.

If you buy and sell a lot of guns as I do you'll quickly learn to despise cheap optics and mounts

I spent about $25 all together on the bases and rings

This is what I don't get. Unlike expensive vs cheap scope arguments where the price difference can be hundreds of dollars good scope mounts are a cheap upgrade costing only a few dollars more. Instead of being left wondering you could have upgraded to the best scope mount system mankind has yet devised for less than what a good trip to Sonic would have cost.



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takhtakaal
March 22, 2008, 10:49 PM
Krochus, thank you. I thought I was the only one ...

jhansman
March 22, 2008, 10:53 PM
I can testify to the quality of the Dednutz base/ring combo pictured above. I have one on my Savage 12VLP and it is an excellent piece if equipment. That said, I just spent $12 on a set of Tasco see-throughs for my .22, and they are all the iron that gun needs for the recoil and Simmons scope they hold. Match the rings to the gun (and how hard it will be on whatever you glass it with).

skinewmexico
March 22, 2008, 10:57 PM
I used those dednutz base/rings on my daughters Savage and have been really impressed with them.

taliv
March 22, 2008, 11:03 PM
i guess i just like the look of things that are over-engineered :)

Art Eatman
March 22, 2008, 11:06 PM
Back around 1970/1971, I disremember, I bought a Wby Mark V in .30-'06 and a little Sako Forester carbine in .243.

I put a set of Weaver rings and base on the Wby, and Conetrols on the Sako. The Conetrols are prettier.

About 4,000 rounds have gone past those Weaver rings, and the rifle has always shot inside of one MOA. Nothing's ever laid down on me. Maybe a thousand rounds through the Sako.

One thing to remember is that the main force on bases is the shear on the screws. Four screws are one-third stronger in shear than the usual three screws of a bridge mount.

I'm not saying that El Cheapo is a wondrous thing, but I hear a lot of undeserved bumrapping of the Weaver stuff. Lord knows, I've messed with a lot of rifles in my thirty years of doing the gunshow table thing. Take 'em in in trade, do a little tweaking and shooting, and trade them off. I don't guess I ever found a really bad mounting setup...

Art

taliv
March 22, 2008, 11:11 PM
i've seen plenty of mounts that wouldn't hold zero.

R.W.Dale
March 22, 2008, 11:23 PM
Back in the day, the cheapest rings & bases you could buy were Weavers.

My 30-06 has had them on it since 1962, and they ain't moved yet.



I'll wager your 1962 vintage weaver rings are of a great deal higher quality than the cheap Chinese crap that passes for a weaver ring nowadays

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