Which M1A?


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esq_stu
March 23, 2008, 01:05 PM
I'm real interested in owning an M1A.

I want to use it for targets at 100 yd to 300 yd. I am not looking for competition accuracy. If I could consistently shoot 2 m.o.a., preferably with iron sights, I'd be a very happy camper. (If that's not reasonable, what is? 3 m.o.a.?)

It can be used and in good condition - it does not need to be new. I'd rather keep it under $1500 with several magazines and a decent scope mount. (Or if that's not possible, what is possible at that price?)

What is your recommendation and why?

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30Cal
March 23, 2008, 01:09 PM
Standard or loaded would meet your expectations within your budget if you look around.

Dobe
March 23, 2008, 01:13 PM
I'd go for the loaded. This is the one I have been looking at for months now. I think Bud's has them (when in stock) for about $1575.

H2O MAN
March 23, 2008, 01:20 PM
The 18" barrel and iron sights will do everything you are asking and more.
Get the Scout and convert it to Bush configuration.

Sell off the forward optic mount and hand guard with cut out.
Replace the cut out hand guard with a standard USGI hand guard.
Sell off the muzzle stabilizer and install a neutered GI flash suppressor with a taller NM sight.

Use your choice of synthetic, wood or modern stock.
This was my National Match Scout before I put into a SAGE EBR stock.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/ebrbuild.JPG

The MK14 Mod 0 & 1 configurations are also excellent choices.
Also, all of my M14s are custom built by Smith Enterprise, Inc. (SEI) on Norinco and Poly Tech receivers.

BTW, I have some standard M14s, but I never shoot them - the 18" versions are what I like best :cool:

TexasRifleman
March 23, 2008, 01:36 PM
What is your recommendation and why?

Just don't forget that Springfield is not the only company out there.

If you do a custom build on an LRB receiver you can get exactly what you want.

Same with Fulton, they will build you exactly what you want.

Rather than the "cookie cutter" menu from SAI look around at all the folks building these rifles.

Nothing wrong with Springfield of course but they are NOT the only game in town.

$1500 might buy what you want, but this is a high dollar rifle. You might consider spending a little more to get exactly what you want rather than just take whatever you can find. It's a BIG investment.

Here is a Fulton shorty I had built, but with NM parts and a 2 stage trigger. For reference this one came in at around $1800 or so but it's been several years. The South African ammo is now worth more than the rifle ;)

Yes I know the sling is on wrong, I had no idea how to use a 1907 when I got the rifle :)

http://homepage.mac.com/jayc67/M14a.jpg

Andrewsky
March 23, 2008, 01:47 PM
I voted for the Standard M1A.

Springfield Armory is a good company, the Standard is the cheapest, and it should be accurate enough for your purposes.

The Loaded would not be a bad choice either.

If you're shooting targets only, do not get a SOCOM as the front sight is too wide.

glockman19
March 23, 2008, 03:50 PM
SA Loaded.

IMHO it has the best options for the money. I also like the Scout rifle. I am not a fan of the SOCOM II or 16.

TexasEllis
March 23, 2008, 07:07 PM
For the money, do you think it'd be worth going for the National Match over the Loaded?

m14nut
March 23, 2008, 07:10 PM
Go for the gusto!

Go national match!

mustang 22
March 23, 2008, 10:03 PM
For what it's worth, I have two standards and either one of them will meet the criteria you listed, or at least they do for me.:rolleyes: I highly recommend the standard or the loaded for your purposes. In my case the NM would be wasted on me, I couldn't do much better than I can with a standard. I have loads of fun with them and if SHTF I am completely confident in them. AMMO continues to be the problem, supply and prices are the pits. I never could get into the shorter models.

10-Ring
March 23, 2008, 10:09 PM
IMO, the loaded is the nicest value. You get some nice upgrades w/o breaking the bank and a gun you can grow into....enjoy!
PS...the std M1A is no slouch either -- if $$ is an issue, rest assured, it too is a fine shooter!

Vityaz
March 23, 2008, 10:12 PM
I'd go with the loaded. Definitely capable of doing everything you want.

Ed
March 24, 2008, 12:03 AM
I have 3 standards, all usgi, all preban.Thats what I would recomend to you. The most I ever spent was $1400 and that was last year for an unfired all USGI standard.

H2O MAN
March 24, 2008, 10:17 AM
Standards are OK...
http://www.athenswater.com/images/LITE-SDM.jpg

But I prefer the Bush, Scout and MK14 configurations :)

glockman19
March 24, 2008, 12:38 PM
For the money, do you think it'd be worth going for the National Match over the Loaded?

NO. IF/When you can out shoot the Loaded, then you can bed the stock and add the heavier barrel.

Otherwise,

The Loade comes with the National Match Barrel, Trigger & Sights.

ocabj
March 24, 2008, 02:36 PM
The SA Inc M1A 'loaded' model doesn't come with NM sights. It has the NM front post, but the rear sight is a 'modified' rear with a 1MOA elevation and 1/2MOA windage adjustment rear sight with a hooded aperture. A true NM rear sight will have a 1/2x1/2 MOA rear sight.

30Cal
March 24, 2008, 03:43 PM
It has the NM front post, but the rear sight is a 'modified' rear with a 1MOA elevation and 1/2MOA windage adjustment rear sight with a hooded aperture. A true NM rear sight will have a 1/2x1/2 MOA rear sight.

The aperature gives you halves in elevation. For halves in windage, you need a different base and windage knob.


One thing to add: the Loaded is a full pound heavier than the standard.

esq_stu
March 24, 2008, 03:54 PM
How about Armscorp? Any good?

Buzzbox
March 24, 2008, 04:32 PM
Armscorp has been shut down by the ATF. You can still find their receivers, but Armscorp is no more.

ocabj
March 24, 2008, 05:58 PM
The aperature gives you halves in elevation. For halves in windage, you need a different base and windage knob.

I know that much, but I was under the assumption that you needed to get the "National Match" model (one step above the 'Loaded' in the SA Inc product line) to get the 1/2 MOA elevation sight.

30Cal
March 24, 2008, 06:13 PM
I know that much, but I was under the assumption that you needed to get the "National Match" model (one step above the 'Loaded' in the SA Inc product line) to get the 1/2 MOA elevation sight.

Dunno about the various models. If the aperture is hooded, then it's got halves for elevation. There is a different NM aperture which is like the regular GI one, just with a smaller hole. I think that's the one on the loaded.

Coronach
March 24, 2008, 07:04 PM
I have a Springfield NM. The rifle is indeed one lb heavier than the Standard, and that lb is all in the barrel. This makes it handle significantly worse than the Standard. It's not unmanageable by any means, but it does feel worse than the rack-grade rifle.

This is because Springfield's NM barrel is a heavy match-grade barrel, as opposed to a match-grade standard-weight barrel (on the "real" M14 NM rifles) or a milspec barrel (like the Standard).

I'm not sure which barrel the Loaded has, but IIRC it is a standard-weight barrel. Could be wrong.

Mike

Andrewsky
March 24, 2008, 07:15 PM
I think the SAI Loadeds come with the same medium-weight barrels that the SAI NM rifles do. And then the Super Match has the rear lug and the heavy-weight barrel. I could be wrong though.

Vityaz
March 24, 2008, 07:17 PM
From reading SAI's website, it appears that way.

glockman19
March 24, 2008, 07:21 PM
Well then I lucked out because somehow my loaded came with NM Sights on front and rear. yes 1/2" adjustments.

It also comes with the stamped NM barrel and I do believe it is the "standard" not the "heavy" barrel.

Coronach
March 24, 2008, 07:32 PM
Easy way to tell. Handle the rifle next to a standard rifle. You can absolutely feel the difference. Or, pop it on a scale. It should be one lb off.

Mike

XnaV80
March 24, 2008, 07:53 PM
I have an armscorp M14 NM SAK chrome bbl, h&r Tg. Love it. 2moa and under 1500. Found mine on Gunbroker for 1422 shipped. Good luck finding what you're looking for, took me a year...

eldon519
March 24, 2008, 07:59 PM
Springfield Armory lists the weight of the M1A Standard as 9.3lbs and the M1A Loaded as 9.8lbs. The National Match is also 9.8lbs. I think the difference should be closer to 0.5 lbs.

Andrewsky
March 24, 2008, 08:05 PM
A Loaded should be about one pound heavier. I've held them both.

Coronach
March 24, 2008, 09:08 PM
I've weighed a Standard and a NM. The NM is one lb heavier.

Mike

Andrewsky
March 24, 2008, 09:12 PM
Part of it is that a Loaded either comes with a USGI synthetic stock that is painted black by SAI or a Boyds commercial Match-grade stock.

So the Loaded that has the lightweight synthetic may be one-half pound heavier than a Standard with a synthetic stock.

Coronach
March 24, 2008, 09:37 PM
Point. I'm not sure which stock the NM has, but it seems likely that it is a Boyd's "Does this stock make me look fat?" deal. It seems larger than spec. The Standard wears a USGI wood stock.

Mike

steve8261948
March 24, 2008, 10:58 PM
Mine is just a blaser Armscorps receiver with all TRW CMP parts but, will shoot 1 MOA with cheap Portugues ammo?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/18410M141.jpg

possum
March 25, 2008, 12:45 AM
though the scout is my favorite and it would do what you need it too, if i was shotig at those ranges regularly i would go with the loaded model, get a few ugrades over the standard and have some money left over compared to some of the models for extra mags ammo and such.

H2O MAN
March 25, 2008, 08:35 AM
esq_stu I'm real interested in owning an M1A.

I want to use it for targets at 100 yd to 300 yd. I am not looking for competition accuracy.

The 18.0" barrel will accurately reach out beyond 600 yards, 100 yd to 300 yd will be a cake walk for the Scout.

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