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Eb1
March 26, 2008, 10:13 AM
I did not want to hi-jack another post.

Wouldn't a bayonet on a M1 or M4 be a great addition when hunting hogs?

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sacp81170a
March 26, 2008, 10:58 AM
I think that would depend on the hunting regulations in your area.

kBob
March 26, 2008, 11:05 AM
Bayonets are required when hunting Jack-a-lopes.

-Bob Hollingsworth

Eb1
March 26, 2008, 11:32 AM
That's true. But I have never seen a regulation on bayonets. Also If the bayonet is on a gun then you would not be hunting with a knife. it would just protect you if you were charged.

Billy_H
March 26, 2008, 11:36 AM
If I can bring it to bear to protect from a charge, I can shoot.

10X
March 26, 2008, 11:42 AM
It seems that a bayonet would make the rifle very long, balanced differently and get tangled in brush. Shooting would work a lot better with charges than a bayonet.

goon
March 26, 2008, 11:50 AM
The main problem I see is that if you're close enough to use a bayonet, you're TOO DAMN CLOSE !!!

R127
March 26, 2008, 11:54 AM
Historically speaking that kind of thing was done. I've even seen native blowguns that had a permanently mounted "bayonet." Like hunting swords and hunting knives these could be used to dispatch game without having to fire a second shot. Nowadays with our repeaters the practice has mostly fallen out of use but I'm sure it would work the same as it always has. Then again I don't know, game animals are getting a lot tougher. I was at a private range a while ago and a couple guys were telling me I need a .300winmag for whitetail! :eek:

Deer Hunter
March 26, 2008, 12:16 PM
I've been invited by some cousins of mine here in Texas to go on a hog hunt where all they use are knives.

It seems reasonable, especially when hog hunting.

highorder
March 26, 2008, 01:26 PM
If I can bring it to bear to protect from a charge, I can shoot.

unless you're jammed, or empty, or you rip the head off a case, or any other reason I can't think of :)

Float Pilot
March 26, 2008, 01:35 PM
I occasionally bow hunt and black powder hunt. At one time I used a .577 caliber 3 band Enfield repro rifle.
Once when I had a damp powder load, thus causing a greatly reduced velocity and accuracy, I wished I would have had that civil war type spike bayonet out there....

takhtakaal
March 26, 2008, 01:52 PM
Take along an M44. The bayonet is an integral part of the rifle, you can't shoot accurately without it, and 7.62x54R is definitely a hog-buster.

Vaarok
March 26, 2008, 02:23 PM
Most states have laws forbidding the use of a bayonet on a firearm carried afield for hunting.

The phrase "pig sticker" actually derives from the boar-spear bayonets on early hunting muskets, since a single-shot flintlock against a pissed Black-forest monster boar isn't exactly a sure thing.

News Shooter
March 26, 2008, 02:25 PM
I just paid more for an Enfield MK II No5 jungle carbine than I did for the gun:(

Vern Humphrey
March 26, 2008, 02:26 PM
Bayonets were originally invented for hunting boars and bears. Hunters in the Pyranees in the matchlock days carred huge knives, because there was no chance for a reload when a wounded critter charged.

Then someone woke up and smelled the coffee -- if you're close enough to the bear or boar to use your knife, he's close enough to use his weapons.

So someone designed a knife with a tapered, plug-shaped handle. When you fired, you quickly slapped that plug handle down the muzzle and you had a spear.

These things were first made in a little manufacturing town, Bayonne, France.

Billy_H
March 26, 2008, 02:27 PM
unless you're jammed, or empty, or you rip the head off a case, or any other reason I can't think of

One of the reasons I always carry a handgun into the field as well.

SoCalShooter
March 26, 2008, 02:28 PM
I have said it before, every weapon pistol, rifle , shotgun always deserves a nice sharp pointed piece of metal attached to the front of it, you hope you wont need it but when you do your glad you have it.


"I like the bayonet lug, cause every good weapon deserves a pointy edged sharp piece of metal protruding conspicuously from underneath the muzzle."--SoCalShooter

PercyShelley
March 26, 2008, 03:27 PM
I was at a private range a while ago and a couple guys were telling me I need a .300winmag for whitetail!

Natural Selection at work. A few centuries of shooting them with high-powered rifles, and only the whitetails with subdermal ballistic carbide inserts survived.

Seriously though, the bayonet idea doesn't seem to have much practicality vis a vis just shooting the pig, but other than that it's not really batty at all.

In particular, the loop for the barrel in the guard would act like the crosstree on traditional boar spears:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/csstoreonline/spears2.gif

(far right)

which I'm told is to prevent the boar from working it's way up the spear and snacking on your lower extremities!:eek:

cracked butt
March 26, 2008, 04:10 PM
Why not just carry a Boar hunting knife?:evil:

Seriously, the new extreme sport is hunting boars with a knife that is pretty much an elongated and slimmed down Bowie knife.:eek:

mordechaianiliewicz
March 26, 2008, 04:20 PM
I don't see a problem with it.

Navy joe
March 26, 2008, 07:20 PM
Definitely M44 material. Bolt action, self-extracting boar spear. Or get a Swiss engineers bayonet! Don't mess with the cheesy M7 & M9 US bayonets, go....wait for it......whole hog! :D

Nugilum
March 26, 2008, 07:34 PM
I'd rave on about bayonets, but SoCalShooter has already said it all.

Please note the SIG Line... :D

sacp81170a
March 26, 2008, 09:00 PM
Just talked to a friend of mine who is a Fish and Game officer here in Arkansas. Bayonets are prohibited by statute. Better check your laws.

Vern Humphrey
March 26, 2008, 09:04 PM
Just talked to a friend of mine who is a Fish and Game officer here in Arkansas. Bayonets are prohibited by statute. Better check your laws.

I'll take your word for it -- but in the name of Holy Gilhoolie, why?

I can understand shotgun-only deer hunting areas. I can understand .22 RF only for squirrel hunting. I can understand shotgun-only for turkey. I can understand the requirement to wear blaze orange while hunting.

But what safety or game management goal is advanced by prohibiting bayonets?

Eb1
March 26, 2008, 09:30 PM
I was thinking. I have a Lee Enfield No1 MkIII with an Australian Bayonet.
That gun would keep anything 5 feet away.

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