Am torn between Reticles...


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Afy
March 27, 2008, 06:10 PM
In an ideal world I would buy a scope in both....

Realistically will be whooting out to just 300 meters at most....
Scope is a Night Force 12-42x56

Reticles I am torn between: NP1-RR and NP-R2

Will initially go onto a SHR-970 in 300 Win Mag... and soon onto a Keppeler 6.5x47 Lapua Bench rest (in all likelyhood). [As soon as wife approves.]

At 1400 Euro's a pop cant buy both.

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skinewmexico
March 27, 2008, 06:37 PM
Have you looked at the NP-R1? Just to confuse things? Not on the web site. I gave up on talking my wife into a Nightforce.

DnPRK
March 27, 2008, 07:38 PM
I've got one with a Mil Dot and another with RP-R2. I like the RP-R2 best because it is less cluttered.

gunnie
March 27, 2008, 08:54 PM
get the NP-R2, and when you DO get a chance at longer ranges your mark will be easier to locate.

+1 to the "less cluttered" advice from DnPRK

gunnie

taliv
March 27, 2008, 09:04 PM
my Night Force 12-42x56 has the -2DD reticle. I like it much better for target shooting/competition. It's basically a little dot with some big lines pointing to it from each side to make it easy to find, and then 8 MOA below it, is another smaller dot.

Wes Janson
March 28, 2008, 12:18 AM
What about the MLR?

Afy
March 28, 2008, 06:51 AM
Since the wife will only ever allow me to buy 1 Nightforce scope ever... I have looked at the reticles in some detail.

Target acquisition would be easier with the NP-R2 and possibly be able to use the hold over to adjust for shots at known distances.
As would the NP-1RR or NP-1RR its all just so confusing. As is now the decision to go 8x32 or 12x42...

gunnie
March 28, 2008, 07:33 AM
unless target shooting is the ONLY use foreseen for the rifle, perhaps a lower X would work better? same would allow for quicker target aquisition >100yds.

gunnie

1200 meters
March 28, 2008, 11:42 AM
If you are not totally set on Night force, and you want "quick aquisition" I'd suggest looking into the Leatherwood ART scopes. They range through the scope and automatically position the cross hairs on target. The M-600 hundred is crosshairs on from 200 meters to 700 meters, and the M-1200 is cross hairs on from 300 meters to 1200 meters. one of those two should cover what you shoot. These are the quickest scopes I've ever used. Blitz
To back up Gunnie's suggestion I would also recommend a Fixed 6 power for ease and simplicity. Blitz

Zak Smith
March 28, 2008, 12:00 PM
The problem with the NPR2 is that the windage marks are 5 MOA which is useless for windage holdoff. A lot of people have switched over to the NPR1 because it has 2 MOA windage and 1 MOA elevation (if I remember correctly). These are more useful for windage holdoff.

Also, consider that the SFP Nightforce scopes only have correct reticle values at max power, whereas the new FFP ones (announced at SHOT) are valid throughout the magnification range.

I also strongly recommend the 3-15x50 over the 5.5-22 or 12-42 unless you will only be shooting benchrest games.

skinewmexico
March 28, 2008, 12:34 PM
A lot of people have switched over to the NPR1 because it has 2 MOA windage and 1 MOA elevation (if I remember correctly).

That is what Nightforce told me. Sounded pretty busy though.

Zak Smith
March 28, 2008, 12:35 PM
It's actually not that bad.

gunnie
March 28, 2008, 02:50 PM
Zak,

went to nightforce and could not find info on "SFP" optics. when is the projected release date on these?

do you know of a product review on the new model that is/was available in any gun porn mags?

do these operate like the old springfield armory scopes, a first plane reticle? if so does the reticle get so big @ max X that the cross hairs/stadia would subtend an excesive amount of target way out there? [>1,000yds]

gunnie

added later...the springfield offering got around this with extra thick outer duplex reticle. turned to lowest X, the finer BDC stadia almost disappeared. same leave what would best be described as an inverted german three post, but instead of aiming at point of vertical duplex you had to center on horizontal and vertical. not as waughbejawed as it sounds in actual use at close range.

Zak Smith
March 28, 2008, 02:51 PM
SFP = Second focal plane. All the old NF scopes are this way.

They have FFP (first focal plane) models available in 2008.

gunnie
March 28, 2008, 02:58 PM
Zak,

did you get a hands-on chance to see how big the reticle got turned up completely?

gunnie

PS roger on my mistaking SFP with FFP. still, no info on FFP @ nightforce, either.

taliv
March 28, 2008, 03:12 PM
Also, consider that the SFP Nightforce scopes only have correct reticle values at max power

actually, i don't think that's quite right. If I remember correctly, mine (12-42x) is set so the reticle is correct at 22x, so not at the highest magnification, but closer to the middle.

it's not an issue for me on this particular scope, since I'm using the -2DD reticle, which is mostly just a target dot and so it doesn't really matter what the measurement is.

plus, with this reticle, i actually like the SFP better, as the dot remains easy to see at any magnification. When you have a .2 MOA dot (.1875 actually), you don't really want it shrinking much as you turn the power down, you know?

btw, i need to correct my own post above. the secondary dot is 4MOA below the primary, not 8MOA. It's a little smaller too... only .125 MOA

gunnie
March 28, 2008, 03:26 PM
taliv,

can't say on other models, but my NP-R2 5x22 IS correct @ 22X.

gunnie

PS--see addition to #13 post above for how springfield got around this. not that it would really be a consideration for solely target use.

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