[scrat]

yep you see what you guys started. Any how i got a good deal on an 1851 Navy yes its a 44. But then i really didnt want to buy another mold. Action is really good and tight. Steel frame. very well taken care of. I already took it apart. This thing is built really good. Way better than my Pietta or ASM. The hammer has a roller kinda like a roller bearing that meets up with the main spring. Talk about heavy duty. Its just made better a little bigger on most of the parts and really well built. cant wait to try it out. Never heard of the brand i did a lot of checking looks like it was sold by CVA. Its a Stone Mountain Arms. yep never heard of it. Left side says Stone Mountain Arms.

right side says SM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL .44 MADE IN ITALY. Stamped BF looks like 1995. Any one hear of this one. Any how im going to take some pics tomorrow and post them up.

[Tommygunn]

I am betting "SM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL.44 MADE IN ITALY" should be "A.S.M." for Armi San Marco and the "A" in the stamp broke. I have a similar revolver from that period in time which shows the same defect and I know it's Armi San Marco.

[scrat]

NOPE i have an 1860 asm totally different in quality and everything. not the same. i have found that there was a company that was sold by cva called Stone Mountain Arms. i just cant find anything else about them.

[mykeal]

scrat - my Armi San Marco Walker has the same stamp on it.

[Tommygunn]

NOPE i have an 1860 asm totally different in quality and everything. not the same. i have found that there was a company that was sold by cva called Stone Mountain Arms. i just cant find anything else about them.

Okay; I've never heard of "Stone Mountain Arms." There's a movie called "Stone Mountain" but I haven't seen it yet.

I will say your description of the action being "good and tight" did not seem to jive with what I know (and have experienced) from Armi San Marco.
Guess I'm stumped . . . . .

[scrat]

scroll down to black powder arms. look for stone mountain

http://www.ukiahgunclub.com/links.htm

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/Powder/MBPTrademarkIndex.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_12_51/ai_n17116717/pg_42

scroll down to italian copies of antique arms

http://oldguns.net/faq.htm


so who were they. where did they go. did they get bought out. were they ASM.

[mykeal]

I'm not sure what you are looking for.

I think it's pretty clear that Stone Moutain Arms was (or perhaps is) an importer/distributor like Cimarron or Taylors. I see no evidence that they were a manufacturer. My conclusion is that they imported and then sold at retail the gun you have from, or perhaps on behalf of, an Italian manufacturer, and that the manufacturer was Armi San Marco. Whether Stone Mountain Arms was an agent for or owned by Armi San Marco is unknown, and I'm not sure what knowing that will do for you with regards to your gun.

I don't agree with your conclusion that your gun is not an Armi San Marco by comparing it's current condition with another known ASM product; you're dealing with used guns, from an era when quality was spotty at best. It's not inconceivable that ASM produced a few good quality guns and some very poor quality guns during that period, as all the Italian manufacturers experienced inconsistency in that time period. My used 10 year old ASM Walker does not exhibit the same level of quality that my new Uberti Walker does, but it would meet the criteria in your description of your new gun in terms of finish and lockup. I think you have to at least agree to the possibility that your gun is an ASM.

I presume you called the phone number listed in your links and found it to be out of service.

[scrat]

yep called. just need to make sure of it being made by asm. so in the future if i ever need parts i can make sure i have ordered the correct part.

[mykeal]

Good point.

I'd order a full set of action parts immediately to ensure that you can get them and to prevent down time in the event one breaks.

[scrat]

thats why im trying to make sure they are asm. Well i hope so. I guess it would be a good idea to start ordering now from VTI then i can match them when they come in.. I will try ASM i can also order for the pietta however this for sure is not pietta.

[mykeal]

A word of warning - in case you're not already aware:

It's unlikely the new parts will match exactly. They are likely to be slightly oversize as the Colt revolvers (both original and replicas) require hand fitting of the action parts. A small, fine file, India stones, emery paper, etc. are the usual instruments.

[scrat]

yep thats why im going to order parts now. As soon as i get them i will Mic them up to the originals then make them the exact size. Then put them away.