To congress: Non binding resolution to declare "Self defense is a human right"


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Cave Dweller
March 30, 2008, 07:27 AM
An idea struck me today. At first it seemed like a bad idea, a useless gesture, but it's growing on me. So here goes.

With the Heller VS DC case in the news, the right to keep and bear arms is also at the front of a lot of people's minds. The Court should be coming back with a verdict by June, and it could go a number of different ways. Also most Americans aren't paying attention to DC's small town politics.

What I propose happen is that congress pass a Non Binding Resolution stating simply that self defense is a fundamental human right. No mention of guns, that will scare off some folks. (guns will come up in the debate and discussion so don't worry) Perhaps this can be a stepping stone to more castle doctrine legislation, who knows?

Why a non binding resolution? It's doable (not easy though) it stirs debate, It will keep the second amendment to the public eye even after the Supreme court comes back with it's decision. It puts everybody in power on notice that this is a popular idea. Remember after the federal assault weapons ban, a lot of senators and representatives got replaced? It will remind them of that, of who they work for. It will also put a branch of the united states government on record as saying "we respect the right of ordinary folks to defend themselves if attacked." (UN take note)

Why would a senator or representative vote yes on this? Who's going to go on record telling the women in their district that they can't fight back if raped? Or the kid walking home that they can't resist a kidnapper? Who's going to vote no and send the message the people that voted for them that "bullies should be suffered, assault should not be resisted etc..." Some congressmen, who may be anti gun, will have little choice but to go along or receive another nail in their proverbial political coffin. In this regard even the "No" votes are our friend.

Let's talk about how to get this done. I personally, and like many of you, am a man of few resources. But we can write letters, and make phone calls.
Step 1.We can start by spreading the word to other message boards, get their members involved. And not just 2nd amendment boards, This is why it's important to leave the word "GUN" out of the initial debate. Plenty of pro gun folks on other web communities that have nothing to do with guns. Or ones which may prohibit the rkba discussions. We can even get some antigunners on our side, and by the time they realize what it's really about, the ball is already rolling.
Step 2. With this tiny army behind us, we start talking to grassroots organizations. Grassfire.org, NRA, Moveon.org etc... If you can think of one, post it. Liberal or conservative. Just remember to sell it right. If we can get a major organization behind us great, if not they still have a heads up, they may decide to arrive late to the party. Solicit orgs from both sides of the isle.
Step 3. Contact your public servants. The good folks in office who you hired to represent you. Phone calls faxes and snail mail are far more effective than e-mail Ask them to submit a bill, to support a bill, to cosign a bill. If you know a particular congressperson is hard core on our side, you can explain our ulterior motives. Once this snowball gets rolling it'll be hard to stop, trick is to get it rolling. For that we need somebody in either the house or senate to say "I have an idea" and for another to say "I second that"
Step 4. Write your newspapers, the editors, talk about it, get ordinary people thinking in that direction.
Step 5. call your local news channels and ask them why they aren't reporting on this. If enough people call, they might think it's an actual news story. And I know from personal experience, when the media is watching, it changes the game.

That's it, five simple steps to renewed public debate.
If anybody knows an organization we can solicit, please share it, and we can also discuss what the draft resolution should look like.
If anybody has info on where to find out info on their congress person, the less politically savvy of us could use that as a starting point. If you called a congressman what kind of response did you get? What kind of form letter did you get in response to your email?

my representative is Jerry Lewis (not the comedian) And my senator is either Barbra boxer or Diane finestein. (Please no groans from the monkey gallery) I only mention that because those two are dead set anti gun, but I'll solicit them anyway. And I believe it was Boxer who said that if she received 30 phone calls on a bill, she might change her mind. That's it 30 calls to win a supporter. This is the vote that counts.

So feedback? Progress reports?
If you have some experience in the political arena and have some wisdom to impart, I welcome it.
I'd like to hear the criticism too but per forum rules, please use a private message for that. Thanks
Now let's see if this dog kin hunt!

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Sapanther
March 30, 2008, 08:44 AM
..... wow ...


This is the type of stuff we need to do as concerned folks ... screw the theatric over reaching pushes ... get a bunch of small forgettable things on the table that frames the entire conversation in our direction

Cave Dweller
March 30, 2008, 06:46 PM
Thanks Sapanther.
Found a few things that may help.

To contact your senator, go to the following website
http://www.senate.gov/
Click on the “senators” link on the left hand side of the red bar across the top.
Or just click here
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
If I’m not mistaken, both your senators represent the entire state, so go after both of them.

For your representative, go to
http://www.house.gov/
They have a handy dandy Representative locater in the upper right hand corner. Enter your 9 digit area code. Need the last 4 digits?
http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp
God bless the internet!

A coordinated effort would be more useful, so when it comes to the letter writing phase, we’ll send the letters to their Washington DC congressional offices about a week early, so they arrive about the same time as those to their local offices.

As it says on My Senators website

“* Please note that mail sent to Congressional offices in Washington, DC must go through a very lengthy screening process. Letters are not only irradiated but are also vacuumed for possible contaminated substances. Because this process often delays letters for weeks, you may prefer to write to one of our California (or insert name of your state or district here) offices to ensure that your letter is delivered in a timely fashion.”

Let’s have our letters and talking points ready to go, so when it comes time we can move together.

We can discuss what the letters should look like, what our talking points (and counterpoints) should be and how to approach people on other forums. Start with forums where you’re already a recognized member, so you’re not seen as just some interloper causing problems. (yeh I know I joined a few days ago and only have 8 posts but you guys gave me this idea. It started here)
Another thing, is to call your local talk shows, morning shows, and miscellaneous podcasts. Email them grumping about the shape of things and suggesting that self defense is a human right, and congress should say so. Then when they discuss a news story that opens the door for discussion a little, call in.

Keep it short, people (especially busy people) get turned off by long winded unsolicited letters. A well thought out argument is useless if the recipient doesn’t have time to read it. Except for your congress people, they have people to read their mail for them and catalog opinions.

We can prep the waters now by sending letters to the editor simply arguing that self defense is a fundamental human right. No mention of action, just grumbling. Most papers only let you grumble to the editor every month or so, so when they let you again, it'll be time to say “hey! Here’s what we can do about it” Keep it under 200 words, otherwise they may edit it for space, and it doesn’t look the same afterwards.

ilbob
March 31, 2008, 12:03 PM
I think it is a fundamental human right. No reason that congress should not agree. It will be hard for even the most left wingers among our congress to argue with it.

Cave Dweller
March 31, 2008, 09:40 PM
True ilbob. We might be able to get even the most hard core, anti gun, left wingers to help
Tsung Tsu said something to the effect of...
'trick your enemies into fighting your battle'
or something like that.

What would help, is if somebody were to convince a liberal organization it was their idea. I mentioned MoveOn.org, they've produced a few docudramas on our civil liberties being eroded. They're nicely done, but they blame the sitting president of course. We may be able to use that. If we can somehow suggest to them that Bush is trying to erode our right to self defense, they may jump at the chance to bash him. (I know, wishful thinking, but let's not forget that we have allies from both sides of the isle)

Do any of our liberal friends here know how we can work that particular angle? You push from your end, we push from ours, and meet in the middle with bi-partisan consensus?

Remember, let's not alienate our liberal allies.
www.progunprogressive.com/ (http://progunprogressive.com/)
www.rightdemocrat.blogspot.com/ (http://rightdemocrat.blogspot.com/)
www.a2dems.net/ (http://www.a2dems.net/)
www.guntotingliberal.com
And others...

ShunZu
March 31, 2008, 11:32 PM
The anti-gunners are feeding on a frenzy that no longer exists. It's purely emotional and only caters to the ignorant and uninformed.

Their platform isn't supported by ANY FBI crime statistics related to violent crime.

And just as a reminder to the democrats that are ready to waltz into office in November... in 1994, they got their asses kicked out of office and replaced by the Republicans because of their anti-firearm position. Since then, they've changed their rhetoric dramatically.

Problem IS, we gave the Republicans a chance, and look where we ended up. Just more corruption, top-heavy government and a bunch of them being indicted for shady politics. And now, I heard on the news that the "Government is going to have more power to help control the mortgage crisis we're currently in".

Oh joy & rapture. MORE government intervention and control. I can't wait.

Cave Dweller
April 1, 2008, 01:53 AM
Another side benefit to getting the democrats to do our bidding. If the republicans realize the "gun vote" is up for grabs, they may straiten up a bit. Benefits to this course of action all around.

ldp4570
April 1, 2008, 11:05 AM
Hell, you might even get the ACLU to go along with this. Now that would turn some heads in congress.

Cave Dweller
April 1, 2008, 05:12 PM
ldp4570: Hell, you might even get the ACLU to go along with this. Now that would turn some heads in congress.
hehe :evil:

ctdonath
April 2, 2008, 11:55 AM
Congress essentially did that a few years back. Don't recall the name & details (someone will though). Basically said in so much legislative verbosity that RKBA is an individual right, and the 2ndA means what it says.

Been there, done that, doesn't get much play these days (not quite sure why).

csmkersh
April 2, 2008, 12:04 PM
my representative is Jerry Lewis (not the comedian) And my senator is either Barbra boxer or Diane finestein. (Please no groans from the monkey gallery) I only mention that because those two are dead set anti gun, but I'll solicit them anyway. And I believe it was Boxer who said that if she received 30 phone calls on a bill, she might change her mind. That's it 30 calls to win a supporter. This is the vote that counts.

Feinstein's anti-gun FOR YOU but she has/had a California CHL. Ditto Boxer as does smarmy Chuckles Schumer who has a very rare NY carry permit.

Cave Dweller
April 3, 2008, 06:25 PM
Congress essentially did that a few years back. Don't recall the name & details (someone will though). Basically said in so much legislative verbosity that RKBA is an individual right, and the 2ndA means what it says.

Been there, done that, doesn't get much play these days (not quite sure why).

Wouldn't hurt to repeat the process. Especially now. Drum up some extra public debate.

Regen
May 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Cave Dweller -

Anything come of this?

Do you have proposed text to send to our representatives?

Huddog
May 18, 2008, 08:36 PM
Fienstein, Boxer and Schumer have permits because they are important unlike the masses. (Please note the sarcasm)

Yellowfin
May 19, 2008, 04:46 PM
The anti-gunners are feeding on a frenzy that no longer exists. It's purely emotional and only caters to the ignorant and uninformed. The only complication to that is that there are plenty in the ranks of the ignorant and uninformed. Our task is to stop ignoring them and inform them. The very problem with California, for example, is that the good gun owners like you and me are in the closet, so the only information that the public sees to any great extent is from the other side. Millions of voters keep the anti gun toads in office because they don't know any better. That in itself is our greatest task.

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