[Skunkabilly]

No, not mine, at a class, a cop with a department 92 with unknown number of rounds had his trigger get stuck back and not reset.

Sounds like the trigger bar return spring thing broke? What do you guys think?

[hksw]

If the trigger could be manually pushed forward and reset, probably the return spring. If not, something else like a broken action bar.

[George Hill]

True Story: Some years ago I was on patrol near a very afluent area outside Richmond. On the side of the road with the hood up was a Bentley. If you don't know Bentleys, they are made side by side with Rolls Royce cars. A Ford/Mercury thing. Very nice car. Owned by a family that I knew from bringing home an errant son and chasing bumps in the night from the estate property. White carpeting. Who has white carpets? I guess people who own Bentleys.
This Bentley was overheated. Steam was shooting out of the engine bay.
As the story goes and luck would have it, it had burst a radiator hose and all the coolant was blowing out. Reason for this? A stuck thermostat.
It was a cheap repair by Bentley standards. New stat and hose and a flush and fill. Cost them something like 1,500 bucks for what would have been 30 bucks on my Honda Accord and I could have done it myself in just a few minutes.

Because of this, you might think Bentleys suck. They have overheating problems. Well, this was just one instance of such a problem.

In the end, after the repair was done, he still had a Bentley and I still had a Honda Accord.

[Skunkabilly]

:confused:

[JohnKSa]

Sounds like the trigger return spring.

When it breaks, the gun can still be fired, but the trigger must be manually reset after every shot.

There's a fix, Wolff makes a coil trigger return spring that doesn't break.

[axeman_g]

George ...

Do you happen to own a 92 or do you just wish to defend the impossible to defend?

I sold my 92 for a CZ, then got a real gun, HIPOWER.:neener: :neener: :neener:


Axe
:D

[Island Beretta]

Ditto the Wolf trigger return spring.. I have one in my pistol after encountering failure with the original factory spring and a malfunction with the replacement spring!! Go for it..

[Andrew Wyatt]

berettas are junk. take a cue from one of our posters and bury yours in the desert! :)

[mete]

Could be many things , broken spring , broken bar dirty gun ( it was a cops) etc . Not to guess take it apart and see.

[Zip06]

Beretta - probably to much grease.

[cool45auto]

berettas are junk.

:rolleyes:

[Tecolote]

I'd rather own a Honda Accord than a Bentley. One is a reliable car the other is a fragile plaything. But what does that have to do with a Beretta?:D

I get it, the Honda is a Mak and the Bentley a Beretta.:neener:

[WonderNine]

Are you guys referring to the INS unit that supposedly doesn't break?

[JohnKSa]

Yup, the INS unit.

I suppose even they will break eventually, but I've never heard of it happening.

They're also easier to install and harder to lose during disassembly than the stock spring.

To tell you the truth, I've never even had a stock spring break on me.

[New_comer]

No, not mine, at a class, a cop with a department 92 with unknown number of rounds had his trigger get stuck back and not reset.

Sounds like the trigger bar return spring thing broke? What do you guys think?. He's one lucky cop... ;)

[10-Ring]

:confused: So either that 92 needs a "New stat and hose and a flush and fill." or Honda makes a gun that cheaper to fix or everything will have parts that will ventually wear out :D

[Skunkabilly]

Could it be that the Elite II is the perfect companion for the CRV? :confused:

Bulky and slightly underpowered (by American standards)? :D

[Andrew Wyatt]

that's funny.


if that's the case, what would be the ideal companion for a government model?

[Drifting Fate]

Hate to say it, but I have to jump in to defend the Beretta.

I used to hate them, but I've found them to be very reliable and actually pretty well rounded for a factory carry gun (just have to stop obsessing that it's not a SA.)

Of course, I'd love to have a Bentley, too, so maybe I've spent too much time in the heat.

[Soap]

All guns break. If yours hasn't, you don't practice enough.

[agtman]

"Beretta 92 Crapped Out at the Range .... had his trigger get stuck back and not reset."

:what:

Ahh man, is that all?

For a second there I thought you were gonna say somebody got a slide impaled in their forehead. :uhoh: I hate when that happens.

'Course, that only happens with Berettas. :neener:

I mean, you'll never see a Glock or S&W do that. :evil:

[firestar]

Everything will break if given enough time. There is not one single gun out there that doesn't have some horror stories. The Beretta is one of the best and most reliable service type semi-auto handgun ever made. That is fact. The 92 is right there with 1911s, BHPs, H&Ks, Glocks and S&Ws. Is it perfect? No. What gun is perfect? None. You makes your choices and you live with them.

My Beretta 92fs has never had a problem of any kind in about 2000 rounds. I have had jams with Glocks and Kimbers but I don't think they are junk.

[George Hill]

agtman - No, it doesn't happen with berettas. It "happened" but doesn't happen.
I guess we could be saying the same thing about Springfield's Stainless Loaded guns. A batch of them got heat treated twice and there were a number of slides breaking and stuff.

Yet it's ignorant knee jerk comments that perpetuate the Beretta's failure and since the Springfield isn't the US Army's gun - few people know about it.

Has a Beretta slide busted and flew off and hit anyone here in the forehead? No? You know what? I've never seen that happen. I've never even talked to anyone who even knows who that has happened to.

I doubt that it's happened since the early military guns, and from guns from more than one batch.
If you think otherwise - Prove Me Wrong.
I think it's all rumor, exageration, and smoke perpetuated by the people irked that the US is using a "Spaghetti Nine".

[GSMD Fan]

Holy Cow!:eek:

A beretta 92 had a problem.:(

I had better sell all three of mine, no wait, I will just throw them away.

I must have been crazy carrying one for all these years.

What was I thinking?:confused:

Seriously, okay, something broke. I think the LEO found it out the easy way.

I am sure he will fix what needs to be fixed.

It is hardly an indictment aginst all Berettas.
But then again, you knew that.;)

[Poohgyrr]

Heh..

I think the Dept should fix it, and he should get a HI POWER to carry off duty ;)......

In an ideal world, the Dept would have already authorized Hi Powers ;)

[agtman]

"It 'happened' but doesn't happen."

Wow, that sounds logical. :rolleyes:

If slides-impaled-in-the-forehead don't "happen" anymore it's because of Beretta's "FS" upgrade, which stands for: "We Fixed the Slide so it won't shear off the frame during recoil and nail you smack in the middle of your forehead."

Get it: FS = "fixed slide." Why fix it if it never happened? Moreover, why emboss it right there on the side of the new, "improved" slide for all to see?

What the "FS" designation really says to a potential Beretta buyer is: "Hey, customer, we fixed our gun. No more having to duck everytime the hammer drops. Besides, that really screws up your groups." :D

"You know what? I've never seen that happen. I've never even talked to anyone who even knows who that's happened to."

Utah's a nice place, but maybe you need to get out more. :scrutiny:

"... a 'Spaghetti Nine'.."

Okay, what's a "Spaghetti Nine"?

The 9mm was finally foisted on the U.S. military following years of pressure from certain Western European NATO members, like our "buddies" the French and the Germans, as well as a few "politically correct" U.S. politicians. :barf:

[twoblink]

While I wouldn't go so far as to call Berettas "Junk"..

They are just seriously flawed in design..

But they still go bang when you pull the trigger... oh wait.. they don't... :D

Skunk, that's your que to go for a more tactical upgrade!

Berettas have such serious design flaws I'd never own one, but then again, I'd never stop anyone from owning one..

[George Hill]

You want to play that way?

"It 'happened' but doesn't happen."
That means that it has happened in the past, but it is something that doesn't continue to happen. Same thing can be said about the Moon Landings.

Get out more? Excuse me, but I have lived in every state in the union save for the New England states. I've also gone around the globe. I'm in Utah because it IS a nice state. Thank you very much.

"Spaghetti Nine" was a term for the US ARMY Berettas that I heard often at Ft Benning. You've heard of the term Spaghetti Westerns? For cowboy movies filmed in Italy? Fist Full Of Dollars, 2 Mules for Sister Sarah... the old Eastwood films.

"The 9mm was finally foisted on the U.S. military..." No Sir, it was not foisted. Foisted would mean we had little choice. In reality the M9 won the trials on merrit by outclassing the other candidates. We selected it. It was not foisted. If anything, it's the US that foists things on Nato. Such as the .308 caliber that was adopted for the FAL and the G3 because of our M-14's caliber. Then we went with the .223 and now we see the SA-80 and the G-36 etc.

And lastly... FS is the designation for the newer design of the gun that has a decocker function included in the safety lever. I guess you would say that the "G" model means "Good" and the "D" model means "Dangerous" or something?
You read too many gun rags. I suggest it's you that needs to get out more.

[Will Fennell]

Ok agtman,
I'll bite, have you seen a BERETTA 92 slide break in half and hit someone in the forehead?.......?

I get around a bit, and I have a 92G[VERTEC]. I've got a few rounds through mine. More importantly, I spoke to quite a few VERY knowledgeable people[Bill Wilson, Ken Hackathorn, Ernie Langdon, Richard Heinie] BEFORE I got mine, and the unanimous consensus was the the 92 series guns are VERY reliable and durable.

I'm a dyed in the wool 1911 guy, prefering 10mm's and 45's, but I'll tell ya, My VERTEC, with the attached M3 light and a 20 round mag full of 127 +p+ WW RANGER's is my bedside handgun.

[Erik Jensen]

man, I'm scared now! I've got a 92F. according to certain of posters on this thread, that's the non-Fixed Slide model!!! how much longer until it impales me??? I've got over 3000 rounds through it, and I bought it used!!! it's going to kill me!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :rolleyes: :scrutiny:

[George Hill]

3,000? Oh Man! Your on borrowed time now!:(
















:rolleyes:

[MJRW]

Wow, that sounds logical.

Agt, just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it illogical.

[Skunkabilly]

3000 rounds? That's it? Get thee to Walmart pronto, Private!!!

FS = Fixed Slide? Shouldn't it be something in Italian?

G = Gendarme, IIRC the Le Popo Francais wanted a decock only. God bless the French! :D

Who knows, maybe the dept armorers don't swap out the spring every so and so thousand miles. Hondas are known for their reliability, but heck I still service mine, just in case, because my butt my depend on it one day.

[ojibweindian]

The only reason I don't like the Beretta 92, or the Taurus PT92, is because they feel a little strange in my hands.

[SelfProclaimedExpert]

Agtman, there has NEVER been a Beretta slide seperation outside of the US military inventory. The 92 is has been in world use for 33 years, and the 1951 Brigadier for 20 years before that. What is your point?


George, Agtman is correct in that the FS model was a redesign by Beretta due to the slide problems. The model that has a slide lever is the "F". The FS also includes an oversized hammer pivot that intrudes on the frame rail cut to prevent the slide from going to far aft.


I don't think the 92 is the end all of wondernines - it's not very tough and way too big. But the feed reliability is absolutely top notch, clean or dirty, which is why it is such a widely issued weapon worldwide.

[Mike Irwin]

Bentleys DO suck.

They have absolutely horrific repair and reliability records.

[Henry Bowman]

what would be the ideal companion for a government model?
A duce-and-a-half.

[George Hill]

Bentleys... Maybe so. But you don't see them on the sides of the road very often.

FS. Yes, Beretta did alter the design slightly but the FS designation doesn't mean "Fixed Slide".

[SelfProclaimedExpert]

Correct, the modification was to the frame.

But I doubt Agtman submitted "fixed slide" as a statement of fact. It struck me as a joking refererence to the preventative slide failure modification.

[Ky Larry]

Guns are machines and ALL machines break down, wear out, and eventually fall apart. If anybody has any Berettas they no longer want ,please send them to me and I'll give them a good home.:D

[dusty73]

Geez,

Don't know what the fuzz is all about. I respect that everyone has different preferences on guns, but dogging the beretta that much?? As a matter of fact I had mine for 11 years, never had a problem with it.

Just replaced the springs after so many years but everything is good and dandy. I understand the gun doesn't pack a punch but so what? It is still a reliable gun. And for the people that complain about how weak the 9mm is; why don't you stand in front of one and prove it.

[tlhelmer]

Berettas arent junk! They are big and heavy, but they are not Junk.

I have carried one of two different Berettas on duty for eight years with no problems. Thousands of rounds cant be wrong.;)

[Serpico]

I've had mine since 96....standard issue in the LASD....through years of quals and PPC I have never even seen a jam on the line, let alone any slide shearing or such...they just tell us to inspect our locking blocks when we clean them...

[agtman]

"It struck me as a joking reference to the preventative slide failure modification."


Correct.

Apparently, I'll need to use more of these little guys when I'm pulling someone's leg .... :D :D :D :D ... or, possibly, a few of these .... :neener:

I certainly don't want to be charged with having caused anyone, including our esteemed moderators, to blow a gasket. ;)

[George Hill]

:neener:

[4v50 Gary]

Anybody who thinks that the Beretta 92 is junk may send it to me. I'll hide your mistakes and no one need ever know I have it.

Like mentioned above, sounds lke the trigger bar spring either broke or "popped out." All it may need is reinstallation. That's why you don't stick a toothbrush down to scrub the inside of one of those guns. You may just pop the spring.

The good thing about it is that the shooter had it happen on the range and not on the street. Better to have mistakes under a controlled environment that to have it on the streets where there is little margin for error.

[New_comer]

My thoughts exactly!


As almost all "other" guns break ;), his went 'sproingggg' at the right time and right place...


As I said earlier, he was lucky... :D

[Skunkabilly]

So would changing the oil and installing a new spring every 15,000 miles help this problem? Or was it a fluke?

[Min]

The exact same thing happened to my Beretta 21A .22lr a few days ago! The trigger would not spring back to orig position. Thanks for the info, people!

[Sean Smith]

I thought it was pretty clear that agtman was joking. Jeez, some folks need to take a break... :neener:

[4v50 Gary]

Skunk - For Law Enforcement agencies, it's standard procedure is to have firearm inspected and serviced once a year. The armorer inspects the parts including the springs and replaces those that are worn or not within factory specs. It's also an opportunity to clean it thoroughly.