Remington 1100 Vs 1187


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schapman43
August 12, 2003, 02:12 AM
Whats the difference between the two rifles and which seems to be a better gun?

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cookhj
August 12, 2003, 02:35 AM
well, first, they're not rifles, they're shotguns :neener:

to be perfectly honest, they're both about the same. i believe that the 11-87 is a more updated version of the 1100.

schapman43
August 12, 2003, 03:13 AM
DOH! Good point!

I'm trying to decide on a all around shotgun. Something that I can use for game birds, skeet, and trap. I've thought about the 870's, 1100's, 1187's, and some of the less exepensive OU's. What would you folks recommend?

HSMITH
August 12, 2003, 08:02 AM
The 11-87 is basically an 1100 with a compensating gas system. It can expell excess gasses that would otherwise batter the gun when shooting 3" loads or heavy magnum 2 3/4" loads. The 1100 standard is not capable of expelling the gasses and will be battered if using heavy magnum loads, it is also chambered for 2 3/4" only.

The 1100 is by far more reliable on average. The 11-87 is hit or miss on reliability, some run perfectly and some are real turds. The odds of getting one that is reasonable are not very good. For what you get when you buy an 11-87 they should cost $225-275, then the value would be there. The 1100 is on average a solid shotgun, and a good choice when several barrels or an interchangeable choke system is available.

In the same price range as the 11-87 is the Winchester SuperX2. It is a quality shotgun, far and away better than the 11-87. Add $150 and the Beretta 391 is available. It too is a fine shotgun. For about the same money is the Browning Gold, I have heard some complaints but the 2 I have had were flawless.

For about half of what the autos cost there are some darn good pump guns. The 870 is as solid as can be. The Mosssberg 835 is a good shotgun. The Benelli Nova is proving to be a good shotgun.

Browning, Beretta, SKB, Weatherby, Ruger, and probably some others all have entry/field Over/Under designs available for $1100 or so, they go up from there. ALL are good solid guns that will last a lifetime and then some.


Take a look at all of them and see what jumps out at you as the one for you.

jthuang
August 12, 2003, 10:51 AM
I think HSMITH got it. One more tidbit to add -- the 11-87 does not have the pesky "$80 o-ring that has to be replaced every X,000 rounds" problem that plagues the 1100.

Justin

Jim Watson
August 12, 2003, 11:02 AM
I have been shooting an 1100 at ATA trap since about 1973. I am not a high volume competitor any more but that gun has about 60,000 registered targets and untold practice rounds. I changed the O-ring once because the original one was caked up with carbon. I cleaned it with steel wool and kept it for a spare. I think the 1100 O-ring "problem" is a non-issue.

kudu
August 12, 2003, 05:16 PM
With the 11-87 that I shoot, it has had thousands of rounds through it, mostly light target loads, I have never had problems with it. The occasional reload that goes pooot won't eject but it has been reliable for all types of ammo, from 3" heavy hunting loads to 7/8oz superlight target loads.
The one thing I have noticed is there seems to be 11-87 'express' type shotguns for sale that have a matte finish on the metal and a flat or black stock. I have not heard much good about their reliability.
I Have had as many as 3000 rounds though my gun before cleaning it.

Still love shooting 1100's , got 3 of them, but the 11-87 let's me use 3" mag shells if I choose.

MAURICE
August 12, 2003, 11:51 PM
Ive been semi looking at 1187s myself, but I do have to say I LOVE MY 870!!! Sometime in the next week im picking up a +2 (3?) extension for it.

Dave McCracken
August 13, 2003, 07:31 AM
Early 11-87s had some reliability issues, since resolved. However, these issues and the fact that it was being compared to the 1100 (One of the classics) left it with a bad rep for reliability. Remington's widespread QC probs haven't helped.

11-87s seem to be either dogs or great. No way to tell in advance.

If I were getting a NEW auto, I'd look at the Beretta, the Browning Gold and the X-2 first.

andykusaf
September 19, 2010, 12:47 PM
First of all let me introduce myself My name is Andy i was with the USAF skeet team for many years and god only knows how many rounds i have fired using the Remington 1100 shotgun, I own many shotguns and here is the scoop on the 1100 vs the 11-87 The Orings on the 1100 is a NON ISSUE after thousands of rounds i have never had one gone bad as long as you clean them and keep carbon from building on them, THE TOP reason to shoot any SHOTGUN is the FIT OF THE gun and dont stress about RINGS, its better to be able to hit your target then to have the worlds most reliable shtgun in your hands and not be able to hit anything. The beretta 391 is a great shotgun but for me its a waste of time as it does not fit. Chances are you will break the cocking fork behind the bolt on 1100 before you have any problems as i have broken two. The 1100 is a bit lighter up front then the 11-87 and i have had less jams with an 1100 then the 11-87. I now retired from the the Air Force and still do a lot of hunting, I still prefer my 1100 over any semi-auto. I will end with this... Most people that have problems with the 1100 is the fact they use oil to clean them and keep them wet. The Remington semi autos shoguns are to be shot dry and clean, keep this in mind and you will have little problems. If you want fool proof get a beretta Trident but few have this kind of money. END

ArmedBear
September 19, 2010, 01:19 PM
My walnut 391 cost me 800 bucks brand new (on sale), and it has shims to adjust the fit, unlike the 1100. I'm often astounded by the statement that a 391 "doesn't fit". Many serious competition shooters have adjustable stocks, anyway, or custom-fitted buttstocks if they really know they will never want to tweak anything.

After getting my first Beretta, I sold my 1100. Good riddance to the old POS. A truly close look at things like the trigger and the innards will make the reasons obvious.

For an all-around gun, I'd get something other than an 1100. The guns are awfully heavy for game birds, unless you do the kind of hunting where you get hauled to each site with a wagon, and never walk more than 100 yards. For waterfowl, you can figure on needing a second barrel for 3" shells and steel shot. And if you're thinking of an 1187 Sportsman from Wal-Mart, do yourself a favor and get the Beretta 390 next to it, $100 less and a superior firearm.

kbbailey
September 19, 2010, 01:37 PM
+1 to andykusaf

ditto what he said.
I have an 1100 for hunting. If you want problems, oil the mag tube with wd40 then go hunting when temps drop below about 20 degrees.
Leo Harrison III shot his way to ATA All-American with an 1100. (several times)

kbbailey
September 19, 2010, 01:40 PM
Andykusaf.....
good to see another clay bird shooter here, welcome to THR.
great first post.

ArmedBear
September 19, 2010, 01:47 PM
ATA All-American with an 1100

Meaning that it makes a fine single-shot?

Rudy Etchens did pretty well with an 870. I think some of his records still stand. It did have a custom stock on it, though...

None of that stuff says much about all-around use.

FlyinBryan
September 19, 2010, 01:48 PM
cant say about the 1187.

ive got an 1100 that i bought new at walmart for 259 dollars (a while back) and ive never had a reason to change. i just shoot clays.

ive heard folks say that the 1187 is better, and it might be. ive just never really had a reason to find out, lol.

6x6pinz
September 19, 2010, 05:26 PM
When I was looking for an auto 12 I ended up with a Spartan 453. Capable of 2 3/4, 3 and 3 1/2 inch shells and an adjustable gas system. I have been using it for waterfowl for 4 years now and have put plenty of 3 and 3 1/2 down the pipe and have had zerp problems. In fact several of my friends now use the 453 instead of their Benellis simply because they don't have to worry about the corrosive issues when hunting in wet salt cedars. I am still a fan of the old 11-84's but they are far from a new model and some are getting really beat up as time goes on.

kbbailey
September 19, 2010, 07:34 PM
[/ATA All-American with an 1100

Meaning that it makes a fine single-shot?
QUOTE]

The qualifications for All-American include several thousand doubles.

[QUOTE]None of that stuff says much about all-around use.


OK.....16's doubles and handicap?? That doesn't represent all around use?
OK. OP was 1100 VS 1187 ??

robspinn
October 9, 2010, 03:02 PM
I own several 1100s and a 11-87. I shoot skeet with the 11-87 12ga. and have put about 15000 rounds through it without a problem. My 11-87 will even cycle 3/4 ounce 1200 fps loads! My 1100s have several thousand rounds through them without any problems. I have never had an o-ring break in any of them. I think the o-ring problem is a myth. I usually clean mine thoroughly every 500-700 rounds but I am currently testing my 11-87 to see how many rounds I can put through it before a failure. Currently it has 2200 rounds through it without a failure!
I think that most Remington 1100/11-87 problems are just myths and old wives tales made up by other shotgun manufactures to sell shotguns. I agree with Andykusaf and Kbbailey about not using oil on the mag tube.

6x6pinz
October 9, 2010, 04:03 PM
I guess this makes me a real old school kind of guy. I shoot the 11-48's (410, 28 and 12) and have for many years. I don't do much trap/skeet anymore but mainly just hunting. I can't even begin to imagine how many rounds have been down the barrel of my 11-48's but they still work like they did when new. I have an old 1100 in 20 that is getting close to needing a new oring but it has been on there for many years. The good thing about the real old 1100's is they use the same oring as the 12ga which is available at most hardware stores for around .45 cents.

Sauer Grapes
October 10, 2010, 12:48 AM
This discussion sounds very familar to another thread I read somewhere about the Browning A-5.
It seems you either love um, or you hate um.
I'm not accusing anyone here of it. I wonder how many gun bashers have actually shot or owned the guns they love to hate. :scrutiny:

If you like the Remingtons, go for it! I've owned and still own many Remington shotguns and rifles. Not one has ever been a problem. Yes I do own both the 1100 and the 1187.
What do I know, I hunt with an old SxS 16ga. Does one shotgun do it all? Not in my opinion. To me that's a good thing, I get to own a bunch of them....:D

Sunray
October 10, 2010, 03:13 AM
"...This discussion sounds very familar..." Note the date of the original post. Seven years ago.

Wakko
December 14, 2010, 11:45 AM
Holy thread resurrection!

Though I did read this after finding it in Google trying to compare the two. I have an 1100 and an 11-87 and I can't figure out the shooting difference between the two.

jmr40
December 14, 2010, 02:24 PM
Simple difference really.

Most 1100's are set up to run 2 3/4" shells only. Others (1100 magnums) are intended for 3" or heavy 2 3/4" loads but will not cycle reliably with lighter loads.

The 11-87 is designed to work well with any load from the lightest 2 3/4" loads to the heaviest 3" magnums.

I prefer other guns for a variety of reasons, but cannot say anything bad about either the 1100 or 11-87. They work fine and both are under rated today.

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