[Tripled140]

Right from new it would only shoot one kind of shell. All the others would stick so I took it back and they are sending it out. Seems the shells with thicker rims would stick. I guess they have to re-shim it. I guess I'm in for a good 4 month wait not. Glad I have the XD-9 for backup. That gun has yet to jam or flaw in any way but that's a different forum. Wish me luck with the return time.
Dan

[farmmer dan]

Its too bad when that has to happen. Sending back a brand new gun for repairs just plain stinks. Who knows, it might come back sooner than you think.

[03Shadowbob]

You didn't do your homework on Taurus products did you? :)

[Bezoar]

what brands were sticking?
You did read the little disclaimer for all handguns is that the user is the one responsible to selection of ammunition and not the company?

[MrTuffPaws]

Stick as in the rim was too think and would bind the cylinder by getting stuck against the breech face stick, or stick in the cylinder after firing stick?

[parisite]

I hate it when the rims are too think.

[tinygnat219]

Just got my 905 and my 94 back from Taurus, almost 6 weeks later. They sent a letter stating that the revolvers had been received, it would take 4-6 weeks, etc. 5 weeks into it, I got them back. 905 has sold. Taurus 94 goes up on the block soon.

If it helps, Taurus DID fix the problems the guns were having. The 94 in particular went through 100 rounds of .22LR without misfiring. I never had that experience with this gun before. Even so, it's gotta go since it's a Taurus.

If anyone's interested, by all means please make an offer.

ETA:
I just tossed the Taurus 94 up on the auction block:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96698644

[shooter429]

Take my advice, dump the Taurus and buy a quality gun (Smith or Ruger) then write 50 times on the board, I will never buy Taurus again. :)

Shooter429

[tinygnat219]

Shooter429,

Advice taken and then some. I picked up a Ruger MK I .22 Pistol. This thing is built like a tank and runs very well.
I also picked up a Browning Buckmark Camper model .22 Pistol. Very nice.

I have 2 S&W J-Frames in .38 SPL, I think I will be going for the 940 DAO 9MM revolver now.

[calaverasslim]

I read with interest these posts concerning the Taurus revolvers. Does the same hold true for the auto? I was thinking of picking one up.

[Ala Dan]

:uhoh: I'm sorry that you're Taurus 650 did not live up to expectations;
as many member's here have experienced problems with not only their
revolvers (and semi-auto's), but also unnecessary delays in repair time
by the fine folks at Tauri International in Miami~! :eek: :scrutiny: :(

[MCgunner]

I'm lookin' at a tracker for under 4 bills. I want it in stainless, though, and prefer to get it in .41 mag rather than .44. It's at Academy sports and outdoors. I love my Taurus revolvers, best shootin' guns for the money on the market, bar none. Accuracy is amazing and mine are all perfect.

[Tripled140]

"Stick as in the rim was too think and would bind the cylinder by getting stuck against the breech face stick, or stick in the cylinder after firing stick?"

It was a breech face stick, and no I didn't do my homework about the Taurus before I bought it. It's great buying a gun and then sending right back out. I have tried about 5 or 6 different kinds and the only ones that don't stick are the MagTechs.

[aryfrosty]

I have weeded until I only have one Taurus left; the all-Titanium 2" in .45Colt...yada yada. I bought it because I really like the .45C cartridge and I wanted a small one I could carry concealed. It hasn't worked out. I'm a gun nut, but not a professional gun SMITH, so I won't try to tell what all I think is wrong with the little .45C. I will just say, again, that it hasn't worked out. If I saw another like this one, NIB, for a decent price I'd keep looking until I found a real gun.

[Gator]

I had to send mine back for repair immediately too. But now that it is fixed it is a darn nice gun. It is Model 455, a snub nosed .44 Spl. Since no one else makes snubby .44s I was willing to go through the hassle to get it right.

Unfortunately Taurus has problems with QC, but if you get a good one (or get yours fixed so that it is a good one :)) you will have a pretty decent revolver.

[aryfrosty]

Gator...I have a Smith 296, 3" barrel 5-shot .44spl. Also just bought a "retro" M-24 N frame square butt with a 3" barrel. They're out there. Somewhere.

[Caddo]

I also am a member of the "OOPs, I bought a Taurus!" Club. Picked up a NIB 651 for $50. Great deal, or so I thought! First time shooting, it would only fire 4 rds, then misfire on the 5th. Closer inspection found a pin strike on the rim of the case, not the primer. I then noticed the cylinder wouldn't lock on one particular round. There were only 4 locking detents on the cylinder, so it would kind of float between the two!

Long story short, Taurus has had it since 11 Feb 08. I checked again today, I call them every week, and now we're "waiting on parts"! It's making progress, I think! Good Luck!!

BTW, I'm looking for a S&W snubbie!

LD

[MCgunner]

You bought a gun with a lifetime warranty for fifty bucks and you're complaining?

I dare say I don't know HOW you could have missed that lack of lock up upon over the counter inspection. I always check timing on revolvers before purchase along with other things.

[Gator]

Gator...I have a Smith 296, 3" barrel 5-shot .44spl. Also just bought a "retro" M-24 N frame square butt with a 3" barrel.

Nice guns! I have a 3" 624 and two 696s, but those are N and L frame guns (as is your 296). No one makes a K frame sized .44 Spl except Taurus; and I think Taurus discontinued them. :(

[shooter429]

You love your j-frames huh. I am sooo addicted to these little guns. The Rugers are neat little guns too. I miss mine. And my Buckmark is so awesome. Here's a pic
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e339/shooter429/Buckmarkfornet.jpg

Anyway, if more people would let reason in and forget about pride, we would have a lot fewer (my T..had to go in for repairs for the nth time and they had it 5months).

I think instead of attending to all the people that have their Taurus guns sent in, we could have just the ones that actually work, post. I have a feeling there would be many fewer Taurus-related threads. Better yet, what if everybody tried a Smith J-frame or Browning Buckmark, for that matter before buying Taurus, they wouldn't.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water....

Glad to help one person at least :)

Shooter429

[Lovesbeer99]

Same with my 905. I got it home and the timing was off so I sent it back. They fixed it but it was never quite right so I sold it. It would ofen jam, and I thought revo's were supposed to be reliable. It cost me 50.00 to ship it too.

Never buy a Tuarus again.


FYI - I had a Henry that needed repair and they sent me a shipping label so all I had to do was put it in a box and drop it at ups. I didn't have to pay for shipping.

[plexreticle]

#1 Myth: Revolvers are more reliable than autos.

#2 Myth: S&W is actually better quality than Taurus.

[aryfrosty]

Myths 1 and 2 addressed:

Revolvers are much more operator "friendly" than semi-autos.

Smiths are Smiths and not just Smith clones, (Taurus), made on nationalized S&W tooling in a foreign country.

[plexreticle]

Made in USA doesn't mean high quality.

I've owned both Smith and Taurus revolvers and it's my observation that older S&W are better than older Taurus and Newer S&W is = to newer Taurus.

Just imho. Opinions will vary.

[MrTuffPaws]

Smiths are Smiths and not just Smith clones, (Taurus), made on nationalized S&W tooling in a foreign country.

LOL, S&W actually cloned Taurus and not the other way around.

From humble beginnings as a small tool manufacturer in Porto Alegre, Brazil over 60 years ago, Forjas Taurus (translation: Taurus Forge) has become a diversified, international company and one of the largest small arms manufacturers in the world. The company produced its first revolver in 1941. The gun combined elements from several Manufacturers of that day, including Colt, Smith & Wesson and certain Spanish brands. This first revolver was designated the Model 38101SO. Taurus soon became a major factor in the South American market and experienced continuous growth.

In 1968, the company was ready to venture into the U.S. market. This was accomplished by employing the services of a succession of U.S. distributors over the next several years. Their efforts met with only marginal success.

In the meantime, Smith & Wesson had been purchased by a conglomerate named Bangor Punta. In 1970, Bangor Punta also purchased 54% of Taurus. Thus, the two companies became "sisters". Smith & Wesson never owned Taurus. They were both independent companies. However, during the next seven years, a great deal of technology and methodology was passed between the two. What may come as a surprise to some is that more of what was "right" in Porto Alegre was sent to Springfield than was sent from Springfield to south of the equator.

1977 saw our present ownership buy 54% of Taurus outright from Bangor Punta. At once a quest to improve overall quality of Taurus product was initiated. Also, the company now began a dynamic expansion program.

Beretta had won a huge contract in 1974 to produce small arms for the army of Brazil. Part of the deal was that Beretta construct a Brazilian factory and use Brazilian labor. This they did, in the southwestern coastal city of Sao Paulo. When the contract ran out in 1980, Beretta sold the plant, literally "lock, stock and barrel," to Taurus. Taurus now owned everything that once belonged to Beretta, including drawings, tooling, machinery, and a very experienced work force. Taurus was in the pistol business, and immediately sought to improve on the Beretta design, resulting in the popular and acclaimed Taurus PT-92 and PT-99 9mm pistols.

The next milestone for Taurus came in 1982. This is when the Brazil management decided to "take the bull by the horns" by opening an affiliated company, Taurus, in Miami, Florida. Sales that first year in America were limited as a solid distribution system had to be established. Taurus guns had not been advertised or written up in the shooting press. Taurus was truly an unknown commodity in the United States. This situation was to change dramatically in the next few years.

At the Dallas, Texas S.H.O.T. Show in 1984, Taurus was to make an announcement that was to have a tremendous impact on the entire industry. Taurus became the first company to offer its customers an unqualified LIFETIME REPAIR POLICY. This one brilliant piece of marketing changed the course of the company in this market. Only recently has this policy been matched. It has never been exceeded. In 1984, this daring innovative policy made everyone sit up and take notice of Taurus Firearms. The U. S. company has posted record years ever since...

In 1989, the company celebrated its 50th Anniversary. The celebration was capped off at the January 1990 S.H.O.T. Show, with Taurus giving away a brand new 1990 Ford Taurus to a lucky Dealer from New Mexico.

There was cause for celebration in 1994 when Forjas Taurus received the prestigious ISO 9001 designation from the International Organization for Standardization for superior manufacturing and marketing practices. Only one other firearms company in the world has obtained this designation. Currently, Taurus U.S.A. is at work to share this honor with the parent company.


Taurus has been the leader of the pack where it comes to innovation, and S&W benefited from it.

If they could only get their QC up and on par, they would leave S&W in the dust.

[aryfrosty]

When I came out of the Navy in 1971 my first purchase was a snazzy new Taurus..nickel clone of a Model 10. It was garbage out of the box and I sold it to a gunsmith who "figured he could put it right". He gave up later in the year. Just my opinion, but there is little "right" about Taurus worth copying for Smith and Wesson. In fact, I can think of only 3 issues where Taurus set the bar. The crane lock; the "lock" mechanism in the rear of the hammer and the wide variety of calibers. Their finish stinks. Their metalurgy is low class. Their M-1911 clone looks and handles like a big rock. Other than that I guess they do OK. I gladly admit they are better than some of the "low-grade" out in he world.

[Caddo]

MCgunner, yep I sure am complaining. Taurus customer service is absolutely the worst I've yet to experiance. Obviously their QA process is lacking also. When the gun shoots, it shoots just fine. It's when it doesn't shoot that kind of gripes me.

I can tell you exactly HOW I didn't see the problem! I didn't check! Like you said, for $50 and a lifetime warranty, there's probably not much wrong that can't be fixed! I wasn't that concerned about it.

The point I'm trying to make is, BLUF, Taurus Customer Service Sucks!

LD

[MCgunner]

Well, if it's selling for 50 bucks, I'd have to think there's gotta be a problem with it. :rolleyes: Just send it to Taurus and shoot your other guns until it returns.

aryfrosty, a lot has changed since 1971. Taurus makes quality revolvers with locks in the hammer that can be ignored now and Smith and Wesson makes expensive junk with holes in the side for the anitgunners approval. It's a different era, the 21st century. Y2K didn't put us in a time warp after all. But, I'm an old fart, too. I don't have any Benny Goodman 78s, though. I download to my MP3 player.

[aryfrosty]

MCGunner; I agree with you mostly. The Titanium .45C was tight and shipshape when I bought it, but with a box of ammo down the tube it has already loosened up too much.

[tinygnat219]

Shooter 429,

You love your j-frames huh. I am sooo addicted to these little guns. The Rugers are neat little guns too. I miss mine.
Yup. They are nice little guns to pack and carry.

And my Buckmark is so awesome. Here's a pic
Where'd you get those Fiber optic sights? I have a Buckmark Camper model and would love some of those Fiber optic sights.


Anyway, if more people would let reason in and forget about pride, we would have a lot fewer (my T..had to go in for repairs for the nth time and they had it 5months).
5 months? WOW I would have been on the phone with them every day after 2. I figure Taurus and me just weren't made for each other. I now have one left...

I think instead of attending to all the people that have their Taurus guns sent in, we could have just the ones that actually work, post. I have a feeling there would be many fewer Taurus-related threads. Better yet, what if everybody tried a Smith J-frame or Browning Buckmark, for that matter before buying Taurus, they wouldn't.

Heh... if only Smith's prices were more like Taurus... that's where Taurus is kicking the crap out of S&W...

[MCgunner]

Well, I have no experience with titanium. Guns are a little high for my budget. Smith is, other than the little 642, high for my budget and I don't like the lock on 'em. I just don't think Smith is all that great anymore, either, hear a lot of bad and seen some. They do seem to have the customer service, I just wish they built 'em like my early 60s M10, solid and precision built.

I love my Ruger revolvers, but they just don't have variety like a little lightweight .38 snub, for instance. The one model they build for CCW is the SP101 and it's way heavy, though I do like shooting mine with heavy loads. Taurus and Smith and Wesson have the variety. I'm really happy with my M85SSUL and carry it a lot more than the Ruger even though the Ruger is a tack driver and is controllable with heavy loads. It just don't go in a pocket. Taurus and Smith have those little ultra lite/air weights covered. I've got something over 6K rounds through my M85SSUL, only 500 or so +P, the rest light loads, but it's tight as a drum and is shooting great. Hell of a nice DA trigger on that thing, too. It's a joy to shoot DA.

[Hokkmike]

Always a bummer to send out a brand new rifle. Sorry. Hope they make it right!

[Virginian]

I have guns from most makers and am happy with all of them. I have handled guns from all makers, at the dealer's, that I did not buy.
Examples:
Colt SAA, 2nd Gen, 44 Spl., pristine - would not go to full cock.
S&W 686, 6" - locked up tight as a drum after 1/2 of one cocking motion.
Taurus 22 revolver (older) - threw past ever cylinder bolt stop
Ruger GP100, 6" SS - locked up about 1/2 of one cock into the program.
To label all guns from any manufacturer, for whatever reason, as bad, bears little resemblance to reality.
In the 80's, Taurus cranked out a whole lot of very, very good revolvers. I still have a 431 (fixed sights), 4" SS in 44 Spl. that I will never sell. Great gun.
S&W sold all the gun owners down the river. But, I still have one Smith I love. Wm. B. Ruger rolled over on the magazine capacity issue, but I have several Rugers I am happy with. Colt could not manage their way out of a paper bag... not even a wet one, but my Grandaddy's still works like a watch so I will keep it.
I believe in "Buy American", but I have a couple of Uberti Cimarrons. Almost $2000 difference between a new 'U' and a used "C", and I could not tell which was which by feel.... nope, not me.
I wish we could adopt a "not run anybody down" policy. I don't think any of the standard gunmakers are going to pay the bucks to have quality inspection at the level they once did, or even where maybe it ought to be, but the realities of bidness in the new world order are not the stuff of which many of our dreams were made.

[aryfrosty]

Virginian your point is well made.