What rifles come with the best iron sights?
DMK
August 12, 2003, 08:25 AM
Of all the rifles you've shot, in any caliber or type, which have the best iron sights for accuracy and why did you like them?
Out of the guns I've had experience with, I think I really like the Garand peep sight the best because it makes it easy to define the target, it's rugged, solidly mounted, close to the eye and easily adjustable. My only complaint is that the front blade is a little big.
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Z_Infidel
August 12, 2003, 10:05 AM
I like the sights on my Enfield No. 4 Mk I real well.
I also like the sights on my Bushmaster.
I've read other posts on the board that claim some of the CZ rifles have very good iron sights, depending on the model.
Duncan Idaho
August 12, 2003, 10:30 AM
I like the sights on my K-31.
Kaylee
August 12, 2003, 10:31 AM
dedicated high-end target rigs aside...
rimfire -- CZ-452
centerfire -- AR-15 (A2). While the M1/M1A series might have theoretically better sights, I've found I could shoot a heck of a lot better with the AR. Also, after getting into the guts of the M1/M1A series, I'm not too crazy on that "keep everything tight with the leaf cover" idea. Seems too easy to get buggered up.
-K
DnPRK
August 12, 2003, 11:01 AM
1903A3 rear aperture that is fully adjustable for windage and elevation. Long sight radius and thin front blade for precision long-range shots.
mtnbkr
August 12, 2003, 11:12 AM
I really like the sights used on Remington 700 rifles.
Chris
Jack19
August 12, 2003, 01:02 PM
ARs
Marko Kloos
August 12, 2003, 01:43 PM
The best iron sights ever put on a military rifle are the ones on the M1917 pattern rifles, closely followed by the M1 Garand sights.
BamBam-31
August 12, 2003, 01:43 PM
M1A NM sights. Can't imagine them getting much better, but what do I know? :)
Kentucky Rifle
August 12, 2003, 01:45 PM
The only rifle I own, with which I can see the sights really well WITHOUT my glasses is my Marlin 1894C. So I'll pick that one.
KR
JohnKSa
August 12, 2003, 11:10 PM
Best open sights I've seen on a rifle were on the CZ-452.
Best stock peep sights were on the M1 Garand.
nextjoe
August 12, 2003, 11:36 PM
The best iron sights ever put on a military rifle are the ones on the M1917 pattern rifles, closely followed by the M1 Garand sights.
It's been a while since I've looked at one, but as I recall the 1917 Enfields have no windage adjustment, other than drifting the front sight in its dovetail. I think the Garand sights are better.
Best,
Joe
cool45auto
August 12, 2003, 11:54 PM
My SKS and my Mosin-Nagant seem to be right on.
BDM
August 13, 2003, 02:04 AM
US service rifle sights,the same sight picture since 1936,these type of sight I would say are the best iron sights on any rifle.:what:
Swampy
August 13, 2003, 08:21 AM
Guys,
BDM hit the nail on the head.....
Garand, M14, and M16 (later A2).... all have the top end for consistent sight picture and reliable windage and elevation adjustments....
Nothing else even comes close.
Swampy
Minuteman
August 13, 2003, 01:48 PM
I dunno, I own an M1A and have owned an AR. The theory, so I've heard, is that the brain automatically puts the tip of the front post in the center of the rear peep ring. That may be so, but I've found something that works much better for me under rapid fire (not automatic fire), which is the South Korean military pattern rifles made by Daewoo. The front post sits completely shrouded in a ring and the rear is a peep. Line up the front ring with the rear ring and put the tip of the post on what you want to hit, and it does every time. I have to try in order to miss with that rifle at 100 meters or less.
SelfProclaimedExpert
August 13, 2003, 03:35 PM
Minuteman,
That sight become popular on the G3(HK91) series rifles. It is now a very common pattern on military arms. I like it alot, but it is not as precise or adjustable to competition.
Out in the field, I have to wonder if anyone is actually making windage adjustments, like during deer season. Good luck getting it done in time.
BDM
August 13, 2003, 06:42 PM
I chose US service rifle sights for the same reason SWAMPY said,"consistent sight picture"any one who has ever used or shot any of the US issue rifles from 50 yers ago would have no trouble using an AR,so the criteria for the best should be not only simplicity and ruggedness but longevity,US rifle sights have obviously good enough to not have to change for 70 years,any veteran my dad included who used a garand in korea,was able to hit well the first time he shot the AR,I just showed him the controls,He dosent care for the plastic but did cmment he hit faster and easier than the garand and the sight picture was the same,its the familiarity that is its strongest atribute,US rifle sights are the best,read some of the earlier threads people said only M1a or M1 garand or AR only,what do all these great rifles have in common?The sights.:eek:
Detritus
August 13, 2003, 07:36 PM
have to agree, for regular iron sights the "USGI" style apperture type sights are the best i've ever used.
but then again i AM rather partial to the old tang mounted Peep and front globe used by alot of BPCR shooters, but i think that's nostalgia more than anything else.
WalkerTexasRanger
August 13, 2003, 10:30 PM
Agree, US service rifle sights...
zxc
August 13, 2003, 11:16 PM
Any rifle with ladder peep tang sights.
Had a rifle with f/r Palmas.
RF with leafs.
Tangs/peeps-guess I like em all.
Now glass-only low light app for me, traditionalist.
444
August 13, 2003, 11:24 PM
I think it is obvious that the correct answer is US GI rifle sights. But I will take it a step further and add that I think the M16 is the best of the lot. Your elevation adjustment is in the front sight and it would be very difficult to knock it out of adjustment or have someone start turning dials on your rifle while you weren't looking or when it is in the arms room. In addition, the M16 offers two aperatures, large and small for use as conditons dictate. Then of course on the newer ones, we have the pre-set elevation range settings on the knob, in the carry handle. I have never actually shot groups at various ranges by switching the knob, but I am sure that it least puts you on paper without knowing the actual sight dope for the rifle.
BDM
August 13, 2003, 11:37 PM
I agree the M16A2 fully adjustable front and rear same familiar sight picture.:D
TODD3465
August 14, 2003, 08:35 PM
I like 3 already mentioned the NM M1-A, Enfield No.4 and AR or M-16A2 sights.
All on guns I own too.:D
DonP
August 15, 2003, 12:49 PM
No. 4 Mk II gets my vote.
The combination of the combat peep with the flip up adjustable ladder makes for a very accurate and flexible set of choices.
Don P.
444
August 15, 2003, 01:48 PM
I own several Enfields and am not satisfied with the sights on any of them. They are not easily adjustable. The front sight has to be drifted for windage adjustment. The rear sight is adjustable for elevation providing, you have the correct front sight to obtain a battle zero; which I don't . Some of my Enfields shoot low, most shoot way high. At the time they were issued, there were a number of different front sights that would allow the rifle to be zeroed, however today, who knows where to get them. I have thought about putting some work into the project; taking the ones that shoot low and exchanging front sights with those that shoot high, etc. But I haven't gotten around to it yet.
I would rather have a set of sights that I can use good adjustments to obtain the desired zero.
Chugach
August 15, 2003, 03:07 PM
I'd definitely go for M-16A2 for the reasons 444 has stated.
I have a Williams aperture with front FireSight on my 10/22 and think highly of the combination. Doesn't have the easy and repeatable adjustability of the A2 though.
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