How To Strip An FTL .22 Auto Nine?


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RocketmanVT
April 5, 2008, 05:06 PM
I have a skeleton of a P.O.S. FTL Auto Nine - no grips, no fire-control parts AT ALL (other what what resides inside the slide) and the magazine looks like it lost a fight with a truck.

I wish to remove the slide to get at everything else (especially the extractor) but I can't seem to get the blasted slide off the frame...I've got the barrel rotated about 90 degrees up past the slots in the frame, but cannot get the barrel to lift off the frame and down the guide.

Does anyone here know how to field-strip this hunk o' junk? :)

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never_retreat
April 5, 2008, 05:39 PM
Well to keep things consistent with the rest of the gun I would just use a torch.:neener:

kingpin008
April 5, 2008, 05:48 PM
Pics might help, for those of us who aren't familiar with this particular gun but are good at figuring stuff out by looking at it.

RocketmanVT
April 5, 2008, 09:42 PM
Actually, I haveconsidered using my Dremel on it...Or maybe a little C-4? :D

Here are a couple of poor-quality pics I took (long depth-of-field on that little camera) just in case they help.

Clermont
May 22, 2008, 11:29 AM
Disassembly: Tools needed- 1/8" Philips screwdriver, 4" Screw driver narrow blade, 6" Wooden dowel 1/4" diameter.
1. Make certain firearm is unloaded. Remove Magazine. With gun cocked, place Safety on.
2. Remove Insert Screw on right side of Slide.
3. Insert wooden dowel into magazine well and use upward pressure to remove Insert. Insert will not come out if Hammer is uncocked.
4. Move Slide forward until it makes contact with the Barrel. Turn Frame upside down and strike against your hand. Barrel will fall out, allowing Slide to be removed. Snapping the Hammer with Slide off may result in damage to Hammer, Sear, and Strut. No further disassembly is recommended.
Assembly:
1. Make sure Hammer Pin is centered. If not, put Safety in off position and gently uncock Hammer to make ajustment, then recock Hammer and put Safety back on. Install Recoil Rod, washer end first, in recoil hole in Frame. Place Slide on Frame, sliding it rearward so that from the top of the Slide the barrel locking slots in the Frame are visible. 2. Place Barrel into the Frame using the opening in the Slide and engaging the barrel locking lugs with the barrel locking slots on the Frame. At the same time, align the Recoil Spring into the hole provided in the front of the Slide.
3. Holding the pistol in the left hand and using the left thumb so that at least 1/4" of Barrel protrudes past the front of the Slide, place Insert in top of Slide with rounded end of the Firing Pin toward the rear, flat side up.
4. Press rear of Insert against Slide so that the Firing Pin is depressed and down about 1/8". This will allow front of Insert to enter Slide. Pressing on center of Insert will now seat Insert into the Slide. Release Slide.
5. Place Insert Screw in hole in right side of Slide. Using thumb or wood object to assist in aligning hole in Insert with the Slide. Tighten Screw firmly, but not tight.

lgcal20ga
May 22, 2008, 10:45 PM
Can't believe I found this today. I have never tried to break mine down, but with this in hand, I may give it a go. Larry

B yond
May 23, 2008, 01:17 AM
Well, I just field stripped mine in about 3 seconds without any tools or a dowel...

1. Cock it and unload it.
2. Move the slide back until you can rotate the barrel so that the raised ribs of the barrel (which lock it into the frame) can rotate up into the cutout inside the ejection port on the slide.
3. The slide should slide off toward the muzzle.

It sounds like you might be caught up on the ejector, which is spring loaded and could prevent slide removal if it becomes damaged/warped. Pull the slide all the way back and you should see it poking out on the inside opposite the ejection port.

PM me if you're still having trouble and i'll try to find my camera.

:)

B yond
May 23, 2008, 10:51 PM
Here are some quick pics of field-stripping my auto nine...
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Hard to see, but it says FTL MKTG. CORP. on the frame...
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.22 AUTO NINE on the slide...
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the barrel ribs rotate into the cutout on the ejection port...
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the slide slides off toward the muzzle
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and now it's in pieces!

Please excuse the poor quality images; batteries in my camera were dead so I used the webcam.

There's no screw on the slide on mine. I wonder if there were two models of auto nine.

B yond
May 23, 2008, 11:56 PM
This whole insert or no insert thing has been bugging me so I did some research and there apparently were two versions. This (http://www.e-gunparts.com/products.asp?chrMasterModel=7300z22%20PISTOL&MC=) website has parts for both.

Clermont
May 24, 2008, 12:19 AM
If I remember correctly, both the Wilkinson Sherry and the FTL Auto Nine are marked Parma, Idaho. What other markings are on your FTL Auto Nine?

B yond
May 24, 2008, 12:31 AM
If I remember correctly, both the Wilkinson Sherry and the FTL Auto Nine are marked Parma, Idaho. What other markings are on your FTL Auto Nine?

The only other markings are the caliber (.22LR), serial #, and "Covina, CA."

No mention of Parma.

When I first got this one I took it to a LGS to get a pocket holster and struck up a conversation with the owner about it. He looked it up in a book of handgun values and apparently it was manufactured elsewhere for a company in the Los Angeles area (I assumed that company was FTL), Wilkinson Arms was probably the actual manufacturer, so it may very well have been made in Parma, and marked Covina (which is in LA).

Moonclip
May 26, 2008, 01:26 AM
My Auto Nine was made in Parma. It is not marked Wilkinson.

Clermont
May 26, 2008, 09:40 AM
Your Auto Nine was made by the Auto Nine Corp. Wilkinson and the Auto Nine Corp. are both located in Parma, Idaho. What their connection is, I don't know. And now we learn there is an FTL Auto Nine marked Covena, Calif. I don't believe the FTL Marketing Corp. is a manufacturer, they marketed the handguns. If true, who produced the Covena, Calif. marked Auto Nine pistols?

Tucson
May 26, 2008, 04:44 PM
The FTL with silver slide appears to be a very different gun from my Parma Auto Nine which has the extractor on top of the slide.

My Parma Auto Nine seems to work reliably only with CCI Stingers. Please let me know if any other ammo works 100%.

Be very careful if trying to remove an unextracted cartridge case--the tiny extractor is held in only by a spring-loaded plunger--VERY EASY KNOCK OUT AND TO LOSE!!! Tiny, tiny interlocking parts. Very clever design, but you'll want to wear your watchmaker hat when disassembling. You might even want to do it inside a large clear plastic bag to catch any flying parts.

I've attached a pic of my Auto Nine with a small Gemtech suppressor.

Moonclip
May 27, 2008, 07:27 PM
My Auto 9 is all black. The Covina thing is interesting, I think Wilkinson Arms was once loacted there as well.

I wouldn't mind having one of the Wilkinson Diane modles in .25acp. I got a spare .22lr mag from Northwest arms (are they still in business?) when they were reviving the 9x19 Linda.

I rarely to never see Wilkinson Arms guns locally. I got my pair of Auto 9's ANIB in 2003 or so for $119 each. A gunshop called B&B in North Hollywood of the LA bank shoot fame, used to sell them there NIB when they were in production as well as sales at their branch in Westminster CA IIRC.

The Auto Nine reminds me greatly of a scaled down single action AMT .380acp back up.

Clermont
May 27, 2008, 07:46 PM
I recall in the 1980s the American Rifleman did a write up on the Auto Nine. I don't remember how it was evaluated but the Auto Nine was pictured along side a Colt Model 1908 .25ACP pocket pistol to show the Auto Nine was smaller. The Auto Nine is about as compact a .22LR semi-auto pistol can get with a magazine capacity of eight cartridges, or nine cartridges with one in the chamber.

Moonclip
May 29, 2008, 02:28 AM
I liked the idea of a baby Browning sized .22lr pistol as a cheap understudy to .25acp ammo in similar sized pistols.

I rarely shoot my Auto 9 though.

lgcal20ga
June 2, 2008, 10:16 PM
Mine looks like Tucson's, minus the suppressor. All black, marked only "Parma, ID" on left side with caliber and serial number, verical on the frame right behind the trigger, and "Auto Nine Corp" on the right side. Ejector in on top of the slide.

How do you strip this one?

Larry

Clermont
June 2, 2008, 10:41 PM
Appearently there are two types of Auto Nines. The Parma Auto Nine has the Slide Insert and internal Hammer. The disassembly instructions have been posted on this thread. The Covena Auto Nine has no Slide Insert, is striker fired(no internal Hammer) and take down is similar to the Baby Browning .25ACP pistol where the Slide is partially retracted, and then the Barrel rotated allowing both the Barrel and Slide removal from the Frame.

lgcal20ga
June 5, 2008, 07:15 PM
I never shot my Auto Nine until last night. Thought I should make sure it operated and fed ammo, etc. Only had a few .22's with me, some with jacketed bullets and some lead. It ate them up, and spit 'em out, not a hiccup, all fired and ejected just fine. Rapid fire at 9-10 feet, easy to hold and put 5 in a 4" circle. Not bad for a little bitty pocket gun. Now I have to try my Norton/Budishkowsky the same way and see how it matches up, at 3X the price.

Could still use some help on stripping the Parma Auto Nine if anybody knows.
Thanks.

Larry;)

Clermont
June 5, 2008, 07:58 PM
If your Auto Nine is marked Parma, Idaho the disassembly instructions are posted on this thread. If it is marked Covena, CA disassembly is simpler and also posted on this thread.

lgcal20ga
June 5, 2008, 08:06 PM
Clermont: I thought your instructions were for the FTL Auto Nine, not the Parma ID one. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

Larry

lgcal20ga
June 11, 2008, 04:25 PM
In case anybody else needs one, Gun Parts Corp (Numrich) has Auto Nine .22 mags for $33.10 each. There's three left in stock after I ordered two the other day. Just thought if I was looking for one, somebody else might be as well. And, the mags are not listed on their website. You have to call them.

Larry

Scott Skawronska
September 24, 2008, 03:21 AM
Sorry for the Thread Necromancy.

There were two different inserts made for the "Insert Type" Auto Nine/Sherry, one with a little bitty plunger-operated extractor, and one with a slightly more robust extractor. Can anyone tell me which one Numrich has? I'd like to upgrade mine. I have one of the Auto Nines from Parma, ID, and at the time of purchase (in the 1980's), the salesman told me that if I had reliability problems, a Sherry insert could be substituted for the original insert which would allow more positive extraction.

Well, now I'm looking for such an insert. Any ideas?

S

RickRA
February 16, 2009, 10:32 PM
Thanks to the pictures and illustrations I was able to strip my auto nine. I have jam ups. I cleaned it and I will use different ammo. I love this little gun. Conceals easily and is real fun to shoot. Thanks

hemiram
February 18, 2009, 12:13 AM
I had one, it was totally unreliable and it blew the extractor on the first shot. After replacement, I bought the EXACT ammo the factory said to use (To prevent the extractor problem) and on the second shot, the extractor broke again. When it came back, I sold it, and the moron who bought it put stingers in it, and blew the extractor again. Good riddance. I bought a Beretta 950 Jetfire to replace it as my BUG, and it was, and still is, totally reliable.

I bought the FTL the same day I bought my Colt Combat Commander, and I have to admit, the FTL was better made, and about as reliable!

slagmaker
November 17, 2009, 10:28 AM
OK this is my first post.:D

I have the two tone "Silver slide" auto nine. The same thing as B yond.

My extractor claw broke off and I am trying to get the old extractor out so I can get this thing working again.

Does any one here have knowledge of how to get the extractor apart?

slagmaker
December 4, 2009, 01:42 PM
Never mind. I figured it out myself.

DasFriek
December 4, 2009, 06:06 PM
Just so some guys know,many .22's and .25" of similier design all take down like this.
My 1947 CZ vz45 is taken down like this,but luckily its of high quality.

RRyan
May 2, 2010, 11:15 AM
Do you know if there are any manuals for this gun?

RRyan
May 2, 2010, 11:37 AM
I have tried this but the barrel does not turn. Is it possibel I need to apply more force?

Clermont
May 2, 2010, 12:19 PM
I have tried this but the barrel does not turn. Is it possibel I need to apply more force?

There are two different versions of this pistol, one made in Parma, Idaho and one made in Covena, California, that disassemble differently. Which one do you have?

AngryPossum
June 5, 2010, 03:31 PM
I am desperately looking for an extractor for my Auto nine, but nobody has them. Are the Wilkinson sherry's parts interchangeable with the Auto-nine? I found this site that has sherry extractors: http://www.jackfirstgun.com/order.php I called them and they have 2 different types for the sherry...If they are interchangeable with the Auto-nine how do I know which one to get?

Clermont
June 5, 2010, 04:07 PM
Parma Idaho and Covena, California marked pistols have different extractors. Post #8 of this thread pictures the Covena extractor. The Parma extractor is shorter, and flat, without the protusion seen at the rear of the Covena extractor in post #8.

DA Wood
July 2, 2010, 01:06 AM
I have the same Auto Nine as Tucson. I am having problems with the spring and the microscopic part that holds it into the mag release. Does anyone have a manual or can you take a photo of this area? I'm not sure I have all the pieces and the local gunsmith can't figure it out either. Thanks

AngryPossum
July 2, 2010, 01:32 AM
I have a take down guide from an old gunsmithing book I think. I don't have a access to a scanner right now though. DA Wood, do you have any leads on a place for parts? I'm still looking for an extractor. Do you know whether or not the "wilkinson cherry" .22 pocket pistol's parts are interchangeable with the FTL?

Clermont
July 2, 2010, 04:56 AM
This is a brochure for the, Parma, Idaho, Wilkinson Sherry.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo11/Clermontny/Scan10002copy.jpg

AngryPossum
July 2, 2010, 01:22 PM
Does anyone have pics of the other side of the sherry? So far it looks exactly like an auto nine.

Clermont
July 2, 2010, 06:14 PM
Perhaps these pictures, for the Wilkinson Arms Sherry, will help.

AngryPossum
July 2, 2010, 06:34 PM
Thank you very much. I will compare this to my dissassembly guide for the FTL and/or dissassemble my AUTO NINE to compare as soon as I can...and get back to you guys.

DA Wood
July 2, 2010, 11:54 PM
Possum, the gun was given to me by a friend and I have very little info on it

Ekimus_99
July 14, 2010, 05:40 PM
I recently purchased one just like yours and I love it. I'm afraid I'll break it, though, haha. Tuscon: I'm curious about how you attached your Gemtech suppressor to an already short barrel on your Auto Nine. Did you ship it off to get threaded or did you have someone machine a new extended/threaded barrel for you? Pardon me, if these seem like dumb questions. I'd like to ask someone who has successfully done it, before I go wasting money and wrecking this fun little plinker.

Kbohica
July 30, 2010, 07:13 AM
Below are attachments that I scanned from the "Operation and Instruction Manual" for the .22 Auto Nine Pistol.

Please write me back and let me know if this was helpful.

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125038

AngryPossum
July 30, 2010, 01:58 PM
I have a take down guide for the "FTL" version of the auto nine. I STILL NEED AN EXTRACTOR...cannot find one anywhere. Does anyone know if the Wilkinson sherry .22's parts are interchangeable with the auto nine?

Clermont
July 30, 2010, 04:47 PM
AngryPossum, aside from being unable to manually extract a cartridge, have you tried firing the pistol for function? The small .22 and .25 Berettas, with tip-up barrels, were designed to function without an extractor. What I'm saying is, that perhaps you can use your Wilkinson Sherry until you've located an extractor.

xmdman
August 1, 2010, 05:04 PM
Any tips for fixing feed and extraction issues on the Sherry, or are these just total POS?

I got this gun from my Dad and it looks like it has never been fired. Cleaned it up and tried 3 types of ammo and had problems with all of them. Put about 20 rounds through it and only twice was I able to fire two rounds in succession with out clearing a jam. Either the empty casing get caught by the bolt coming forward or the new round catches on the feed ramp.

woohooboy
November 2, 2010, 03:01 PM
Good news and bad news North West Arms has turned off its phones I had called them on 10-25-10 for the hell of it to see if i could get a firing pin for my sherry 22 and someone actually answered to my surprise. I was told it would be 9.95 for the firing pin but I needed to know what model sherry 22 I had because there is a COVINA 22 and a PERMA 22 . The bad news is I got sick and dragged my feet ordering it and a week later it seems the phone number is no longer in service GREATTTTTT.

Now the good news there is a company that has the firing pin for 24+ 9 shipping and they only carry it for one model I was told and that if it was the wrong one I could send it back less the 9+ shipping. Not a great deal but still good to know there is a 35 dollar part for my crappy 100 dollar gun. I will post the name and number of the gun parts store for the rest of you I hope this helps some people and keep an eye out for a youtube video on how to strip the wilkinson arms sherry 22 I will be posting it soon ..

Jack First Gun Shop and Gun Parts 605-343-9544 www.jackfirstgun.com

AngryPossum
November 2, 2010, 03:06 PM
Any news on FTL auto nine parts? I still need an extractor!!!

heavyequipmentiv
January 10, 2011, 08:37 PM
Can anyone get me a copy of the manuel of the Auto Nine. In need of re-assembly of the pistol, since the step son did me a "favor." Lots of photos of it being dissassembled and then reassembled, would work too.

Thanks
Charles

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