[hillbilly]

Okay, American gun owners, let's say that in about eight years we have President Hitlary Clinton in the White House and we suddenly find ourselves in the same situation as the Aussies find themselves now, and found themselves previously about a decade ago when it was semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic shotguns and pump shotguns on the chopping block.

All legislative and political efforts have failed. A nationwide confiscation movement has begun.

What will you do then?

The reason I ask is because I've read some posters on another thread saying they can't imagine how they'd react to that situation in the USA.

Well, I think that it's high time you do think about it, if you already haven't.

I want to be completely clear here. I am not wanting a bunch of SHTF or TEOTWAWKI fantasizing on this thread.

And no..............no way in HELL will I tell you what my plans or actions would be.

But, I just want to say that I know with absolute certainty what my "lines in the sand" are and my subsequent plans of action, and which circumstances would prompt me to which specific actions.

All I am asking on this thread is how many of you know where your line in the sand is, and what actions you would take in what situations?

And no, I don't want to hear details about your plans. I just want to know if you've thought about it and have actions in mind.

hillbilly

[willyjixx]

Not really. but it is now definately food for thought.

[cslinger]

I don't know but it involves a whole lot of liquor initially.

I have thought long and hard about this actually. That is all I am going to say.

Chris

[Sisco]

Hot topic.
I'm going to catch a lot of flack for this answer, but here it is anyway.
99% of the responses to this thread will be along the lines of "From my cold dead hands". or "I'll bury them in the back yard" (never have figured out what good a buried gun is.)
But I really believe very few are willing to actually go that far. No matter how many guns a person owns or how much they love owning them when it comes down to it I think the majority would chose life over liberty.

Reality check:
If they really do come to get them, It won't be the local deputy knocking on your door.
You'll look out the window and see a Humvee sitting on your lawn with a M60 pointed at you and quickly realize how out numbered and out gunned you are. Looking back over your shoulder you'll see your wife and kids, the most important things in your life, scared crying and begging you not to force a showdown. Fantasies of you own personal Ruby Ridge will evaporate as you realize this is for real, give 'em up or die.

Now before the flames begin, let me have a minute to put on my Nomex underwear.

[TheFederalistWeasel]

House to house confiscation will not happen anytime soon and I am willing bet in any of our lifetimes.

For the simple reason that it would be impossible.

Just look to Canada and their gun registration scheme, started out supposed to cost something like 2 million now they are up to 2 billion dollars? How many guns are in Canada?

IIRC the number the Canadian government is tossing about as still being unregistered is 200,000 plus?

How many guns are in the US of A? 10 times that? 100 times that? No one really knows?

Now imagine the political and logistical nightmare of that one now lets talk cost of the whole thing, first they would have a Canadian style registration scheme, next would come volunteer turn in then lastly would come warrants issued and maybe, maybe house to house confiscation.

Everyone points to Britain and Australia for gun confiscation and not Canada, why?
In the end it’s about desire to comply and voluntarily turn them in.

Canadians are not willing to give’em up without a fight and it’s costing as much as it is already? Imagine how much it would cost the US to do likewise?

200 Billion?

2 Trillion?

Why not, no one ever envisioned the Canadian program blooming from a paltry 2 million to 2 billion now did they?

[jem375]

revolution would be imminent...........and yes, they will have to kill me to get my guns.............I am too old to change my ways and whatever will be, will be......................

[Cosmoline]

House to house confiscation IS impossible absent registration. This is why fighting registration is so vital. The gov'ment cannot search every house without enlisting the support of the military and spending billions upon billions of dollars.

So, an attempt at confiscation with no registration should simply be rejected. Openly announce you will not comply. No explosions or shootings, just good old-fashioned civil disobedience. What are they going to do if everyone does this?

We should follow the example of the founders. They didn't just start shooting, they firmly declared their intention to revolt and signed their names. That, when you boil it down, is the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters. A terrorist hides, a freedom fighter announces his intentions openly and without hesitation.

[Sam Adams]

I'll give you some flack, though nicely.

ALL of what follows in this post is of a purely hypothetical nature, printed for entertainment purposes only.

Buried guns serve the same important function for an individual or small group as secret strategic reserves serve for a nation in a time of war: allowing one to fight another day. Unpapered guns can easily be buried and retrieved when the need arises. This allows a person to give up all registered firearms and be left alone to fight another day, at a time, place and location of one's own choosing. Saying "FMCDH" and fighting it out from behind your front door against 100 men armed with .50 cal. BMG's, grenades, tear gas, etc. and protected by hard and soft armor - especially when one's family is in the line of fire - is incredibly stupid. Burying stuff in your back yard is similarly stupid - "they" WILL find it if they know it exists, no matter how long it takes or how much of your house or property they have to destroy/dig up.

Even if one's guns and ammo are taken, acquiring replacements is a very doable propostion. Such weapons as crossbows, bows & arrows, spears, rocks and improvised weapons and explosives of all types can be used (especially in conjunction with an attention-getter like a very cute, scantily-clad young lady) to acquire new toys at very low cost (in money), and those toys (including actual uniforms) can be used to acquire even more such toys. The history of 20th century resistance movements is far more instructive in this regard than anything that I could describe.

I'll agree with Sisco only in saying that a lot of people that ought to know better have not really thought things through. Resistance to some tyrannical government can't be successful if undertaken against that government's overwhelmingly superior forces at a time and place of ITS choosing - but only at its weakest point at a time and place of YOUR choosing.

Me, I'm not worried about the Fedgov. :rolleyes: Nope, I'm much more concerned about an invasion by hordes of, of, uhhh... Red Chinese and, and, uhhh...North Korean soldiers, :what: aided by traitors (D) in this country :fire: Yeah, that's the ticket, hordes of Chinese and North Korean soldiers. :D

[Sisco]

Sam, I'll not argue with a thing you said. I guess my post was in reference to what would be most likely in a worst case scenario.
If that scenario is to be avoided we as a collective must be active now. Forget the "silent majority" stuff, be vocal. Join the NRA, GOA, JFP and any state or local organizations. Write your congressman be they pro or anti and let them know, in a polite yet firm manner, where you stand.

[Mark Tyson]

I don't think there'll be a big door to door round up. They'll do it the smart way, the slow way. Like they did with machine guns - slowly regulate them out of existence, slowly make it harder to get guns, to shoot, demonize guns, make it harder to get spare parts, slowly jack up the price through taxes and fees. Why bother kicking down doors and raising a ruckus?

What good will those guns be without spare parts, cleaning equipment, when ammo has a 100% tax on it and gun shops can't be within 10 miles of any school or day care center or residential area? What good will your gun be when your magazines all wear out and the only new ones are 10 rounders, or worse new manufacture of magazines is verboten? As you practice less your shooting skills will atrophy. Soon fewer and fewer people can remember when guns were just guns. The gun culture, and all its history and heritage will be gone. And few will miss it.

So one day we may be faced with a terrible choice. Do you fight against people who have taken no overt action against you? Be kind of hard to justify that in the public eye. Anti-gunners are human beings too, after all, with the same frailties as all of us, with families and all the rest. They're not some kind of monsters, they don't roast babies for dinner or torture kittens for fun. Popping some gun control politician or advocate will only confirm to the public that you are what they say you are. Look at how we were all demonized after OK City. Look at how they made militias look like evil incarnate, when in fact most of those militias are nothing more than grown up boy scouts.

Do you engage in civil disobedience and manufacture your own guns and ammo? Be kind of hard to enjoy your clandestine hobby when you have to be paranoid about everyone within earshot snitching on you.

Or do you just sit there and take it?

[twoblink]

I've been writing a short story (that is now not so short) on something close to the subject.

Subsonic .22shorts, a Ruger 10/22, someone with brass the size of Montana, and a few dead politicians later, things would be drastically different.

That said, I really hope there is no bloodshed; but that then reminds of me of the quote "Once on a while, the tree of liberty needs to be renewed by the blood of patriots." Or did I butcher the quote??

[schapman43]

Step one, wife and family leave for her parents house..

[Brian Dale]

twoblink,

Thomas Jefferson:
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
- Letter to William S. Smith, January 30, 1787, In Jefferson, On Democracy , pg. 20 (S. Padover ed., 1939)

Before that extremity, at least in THIS country (a quote from from an Englishman, no less)--

Sir Winston Churchill:
If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

So write letters, and VOTE!!!

[Standing Wolf]

Aw, heck. I sold them all to some guy with more money than brains who was passing through town way back in 2003 or '04. I'm pretty sure I wrote his name down. It's around here somewhere. I think it was "Bill Smith" or "Will Smith" or "Athelstane Smith," or something like that.

[Esky]

The problem as I see it is that it probably won't be, as Sisco said, " a Humvee sitting on your lawn with a M60 pointed at you" who'll be doing the confiscation...

No, I reckon it'll more likely be a tired cop or deputy, hoping to get home & have a cold one, after a long day of dealing with irate gunowners (like me) who don't want to cooperate with the legal laws passed by the legal legislature, and will argue like mad to avoid turning over their guns.

But... could I shoot that guy? Who's just doing his job, and who may not like the confiscations any more than I do?

Not me mate. In the end I'd probably turn over all my legal, registered, have-to-be-accounted-for guns. And (of course!) being a law-abiding person, I wouldn't have any unregistered illegal guns, nor would I have hundreds or thousands of rounds of ammunition for those non-existent illegal unregistered guns, and I certainly wouldn't have them hidden away somewhere unknown to anyone...

So I'd much rather have the black masked evil Clone Army with their Humvees & M60s. Those guys I could take on with no qualms, feeling like I was fighting the Good Fight.

Esky
who is definitely a very law-abiding inhabitant of the People's Republik and who would never ever hide anything from the politzei

[Sam Adams]

Step one, wife and family leave for her parents house..

I thought that step 1 was to know who is giving the orders, and where they can be located after business hours (in order to engage them in a polite debate, of course, and particularly when they aren't busy serving the public in their office :D ).

Step 2 is to have the appropriate tool(s) to bring to the debate, to be sure that the person that you are debating can understand your point (like, for instance, an easel, an easy-to-understand piechart, other misc. useful items of your choice, :uhoh: etc. ).

Your step 1 then becomes step 3.

Step 4 is to attend the debate and make sure that the other person is absolutely devastated by your arguments.

[Skunkabilly]

So write letters, and VOTE!!!

If voting is so darn helpful, why does the government encourage us to do it? :p

Just kidding. I'm the RNTS and I vote!!!

[fallingblock]

"Not me mate. In the end I'd probably turn over all my legal, registered, have-to-be-accounted-for guns. And (of course!) being a law-abiding person, I wouldn't have any unregistered illegal guns, nor would I have hundreds or thousands of rounds of ammunition for those non-existent illegal unregistered guns, and I certainly wouldn't have them hidden away somewhere unknown to anyone..."
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He's been trained here in Australia...and obviously carried away the essential points for what it takes to remain armed and out-of-jail in such 'progressive' jurisdictions.

:D

Good onya', mate.

[igor]

Buried guns can do a lot of good. Up here, after the last war on our turf a bunch of officers buried'em big time. The Russians knew it and still it took them a couple of years to get to some of the people and some of the stuff. There's still a lot of them coming up, the last time was a couple of weeks ago in a barn fire :D

What I'm saying, the deterrent factor for the regime of the time was huge. It worked even none were ever dug up to be used.

Ahem... I mean... just a lesson in history :rolleyes: :scrutiny: :D .

edit to add: I guess that's what a "well-organized militia" would be all about. Right?