Do the current vz-58s take bayonets?


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Ash
April 7, 2008, 03:28 PM
I am curious if the current VZ's on the market take bayonets or if they do not - or if some of them do and which ones?

Ash

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FEG
April 7, 2008, 05:19 PM
I can't speak for the builds from other companies, but the vz-58s distributed by CZ-USA do not have the bayonet lug.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/vz-58Sideview.jpg


http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/MuzzleCap.jpg

nalioth
April 7, 2008, 05:52 PM
The current factory Vz58s do not.

If you have one built from a kit, those would (unless you live in a place that they are illegal).

Ash
April 7, 2008, 05:59 PM
How difficult do you suppose it would be to change out the front sight?

Ash

nalioth
April 7, 2008, 06:25 PM
How difficult do you suppose it would be to change out the front sight? It's doable. However, you'll not be able to do it yourself (unless you happen to hold a SOT manufacturing ffl), because when you remove the factory muzzle parts, your barrel will be illegal in length.

Ash
April 7, 2008, 06:55 PM
So you are saying the front sight will not slide out over the barrel extension after you drove the two pins out?

nalioth
April 7, 2008, 07:22 PM
So you are saying the front sight will not slide out over the barrel extension after you drove the two pins out?Yes, it will. However, as soon as you slide it off, you'll have created an illegal short barreled rifle.

Ash
April 7, 2008, 09:17 PM
So you are saying the extension is removed with the barrel? I don't mind having an illegal short barrelled rifle for 15 minutes worth of gunsmithing if it can be done reasonably.

nalioth
April 7, 2008, 09:57 PM
So you are saying the extension is removed with the barrel? The extension is tack welded to the front sight block.

I would prefer you to keep your intentions off of this forum. None of us want to be charged with conspiracy or whatever it's called.

Ash
April 7, 2008, 10:37 PM
"I would prefer you to keep your intentions off of this forum. None of us want to be charged with conspiracy or whatever it's called."


Good grief...

Do you really think I am conspiring to break the law?

Ash

Prince Yamato
April 7, 2008, 11:20 PM
He won't be creating an SBR if he's merely repairing the gun, anymore than I create an SBR by taking the stock off of my AK to strip and clean it. Cripes... you can put a new front sight on it, but you need to reweld the barrel extension. The real VZ-58 barrels are 15.5" long. So if you don't add that extension, you'll have created an SBR. On the other hand, you could probably pin on an AK muzzle break and be legal.

nalioth
April 7, 2008, 11:47 PM
He won't be creating an SBR if he's merely repairing the gun, anymore than I create an SBR by taking the stock off of my AK to strip and clean it. Cripes... you can put a new front sight on it, but you need to reweld the barrel extension. The real VZ-58 barrels are 15.5" long. So if you don't add that extension, you'll have created an SBR. On the other hand, you could probably pin on an AK muzzle break and be legal. Unless he holds a manufacturing FFL that allows him to work with NFA weapons, he'll be in possession of an unregistered SBR while he's changing out the FSB.

Yes, a half inch will get you a felony.

Prince Yamato
April 8, 2008, 12:06 AM
Whatever... call the paranoid police...

Ash
April 8, 2008, 01:28 PM
Hey FEG, is there an advantage in getting the military-stocked one over the skeleton stock like you have?

Ash

FEG
April 8, 2008, 01:51 PM
I am in the process of getting some information on 18 U.S.C.A. 922(r) compliance from Mike Eagleshield at CZ-USA. I think the black "tactical" skeleton stock is U.S. made. If so, then the Military model might have different compliance parts (piston?).

In terms of the stocks themselves, the black stock on the Tactical model has the longest LOP of the readily available stocks. It's over 2 inches longer than the folder from the Centerfire Systems kit, and about 1 inch longer than the standard Military stock. I bought the "tacticool" version for that reason. Well, that and the fact that you can easily find military take-offs right now.

nalioth
April 8, 2008, 02:48 PM
The skeleton stocks are imported on the single-stack Vz58s.

They are made in the Czech Republic.

Compliance parts are the same for both models.

Ash
April 8, 2008, 03:00 PM
So there really is little advantage in purchasing one over the other and replacing the stock?

Also, what is the finish on the "military" models? Are they grey or black? I ask that because my current moniter stinks.

Ash

nalioth
April 8, 2008, 03:19 PM
So there really is little advantage in purchasing one over the other and replacing the stock? Sure there is an advantage. A stock meant for us big ol' boys (and girls).
In terms of the stocks themselves, the black stock on the Tactical model has the longest LOP of the readily available stocks. It's over 2 inches longer than the folder from the Centerfire Systems kit, and about 1 inch longer than the standard Military stock.

Here is a picture of my Cz-USA Vz58 and a Vz58 dummy gun I had laying around. The Cz-USA guns are black and the military ones are gray enamel.
http://nalioth.homelinux.org/abrams/vz58/vz58_1000_web.JPG

and another pic for color comparison:

http://www.novarata.net/abrams/vz58/vz58_1002_web.JPG

FEG
April 8, 2008, 03:21 PM
The skeleton stocks are imported on the single-stack Vz58s.

They are made in the Czech Republic.

Compliance parts are the same for both models.

I suspect you may be correct, because the magazine that came with the rifle has a plastic follower and floorplate. At any rate, I will let you know what CZ-USA says. Nothing personal, just doing my due diligence.

FEG
April 8, 2008, 03:27 PM
My rifle looks either black or dark gray, depending on the lighting conditions. It has an enamel or polymer coating with phosphate treatment (Parkerization) underneath.

Here are some pictures of the "guts."

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/InteriorofReceiver.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/GasPistonFullyRetractedtoRear.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/BoltcarrierandGasAdapter.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/Doc_Steve/ReceiverCoverAssemblyandBoltcarrier.jpg

FEG
April 9, 2008, 09:16 AM
I received a reply from Mike Eagleshield of CZ-USA:

"It looks like the 5 U.S. made parts are:
1.Magazine follower (polymer)
2.Magazine base (polymer)
3.Trigger (polymer)
4.Sear (steel)
5.Disconnector (steel).
You were correct in that the two magazine parts were in order to make it comply with 922R and be importable.
Also in order to comply with 922R it must contain no more than 10 imported parts and they are:
1.Receiver
2.Barrel
3.Barrel extension
4.Bolt
5.Bolt carrier
6.Gas piston
7.Buttstock (fixed or folding)
8.Pistol grip
9.Handguard (both peices considered one)
10.Magazine body"


As I am seeing it now, getting the zytel skeleton stock is sort of a problem. I have no doubt it shoots the best. (The rifle has almost no felt recoil with the stock.) Unfortunately, the pistol grip is the only EASY U.S. part to pick up, yet it is integral to the buttstock on the Tactical Sporter model.

Orin
April 22, 2008, 01:02 PM
You could build one with the new Rapid Fire receiver and have the bayonet lug and also not have to worry about magazines to have a compliant rifle. :D

More Photos and build tutorial here: http://www.autochart.com/vz58photos.htm

Regards,
Orin

http://www.autochart.com/Myvz58/Muzzle.jpg

http://www.autochart.com/Myvz58/RightSide.jpg

LeibstandarteAdH
April 22, 2008, 03:36 PM
Are the ORF recievors shipping? Anybody built a Vz 58 kit? i wonder how hard it is to press that barrel in/out...

Orin
April 22, 2008, 04:33 PM
LeibstandarteAdH - I built the rifle in the photo on one of the prototype receivers and it was much, much easier to build than a AK.
There are only 2 rivets to mess with and the barrel was an easy press fit with the hydraulic jack.

Removing the barrel from the stub is another story...
Some of them press out without problem while others can be a real *itch to get out.
There doesn't appear to be any consistency - some come out easy, others don't.
If you have one of the difficult ones, use a Dremmel with a cut-off blade and cut a slot in the side of the stub centered on the long axis of the barrel.
You may end up with a score mark on the barrel but this will not hurt anything.
The barrel will then press right out.

Rapid Fire tells me that they will start shipping back ordered receivers Monday and that new orders will ship in 2 to 4 weeks.

Take a look at the tutorial and it will probably answer most of your build questions.

http://www.autochart.com/vz58photos.htm

Regards,
Orin

kcmarine
April 22, 2008, 04:49 PM
Hm... I know this is dangerous thinking, but couldn't you machine the small piece that acts as a bayonet lug, and then weld it to the muzzle attachment around where a bayonet lug would normally be? Then you could clean off the excess, and you would have the same end result. You wouldn't have to make a SBR, either.

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