Rem. 870 VS. Mossberg 500 (pump)


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abrink
April 8, 2008, 04:56 PM
Both guns fit me very well. It will be a 12 gauge and it will be used for both hunting (primarily deer) and home defense.

So mossberg 500 field

VS

Remington model 870 Express



Also about what barrel length is the minimum for a shottie when used for deer hunting?

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pdowg881
April 8, 2008, 06:30 PM
I'd recommend a search.

abrink
April 8, 2008, 06:39 PM
Wow OK lol never mind. I have to remember to search the forums before asking:(. Sorry about that folks. don't have to answer.

GRB
April 8, 2008, 06:42 PM
Why should you search the forums? Don't you want a currents answers for your poll question. It is quite possible that anyone who took a previous poll, or whop talked about preferences between these 2 shotguns in previous forums, may have well changed their minds for some reason or another. Asking a question like this one, in a brand new poll, only makes sense to me.

1BLINDREF
April 8, 2008, 06:51 PM
I have and like both, so I didn't vote.
My 870 is a skeet gun and my 590 is my HD gun.
I do like the action and feel of the 870 better, but I like the way the controls are set up with the 590.

Vicious-Peanut
April 8, 2008, 07:02 PM
I have a Mossberg 500 and love it, but both are great shotguns.

Fred Fuller
April 8, 2008, 07:19 PM
It's illegal to refer to a shotgun as a "shottie" in NC...

lpl/nc

:D

Blue .45
April 8, 2008, 10:12 PM
Both guns fit me very well. It will be a 12 gauge and it will be used for both hunting (primarily deer) and home defense.

I have a Mossberg 500 Field/Security combo. It comes with an 18.5" cyl bore and 28" threaded barrel. I probably saved about $25 by getting it as a combo rather than buying the 18" barrel separately. Remington sells combo packages as well.

rantingredneck
April 8, 2008, 10:16 PM
It's illegal to refer to a shotgun as a "shottie" in NC...

If only that were so..........:D

rantingredneck
April 8, 2008, 10:18 PM
I have and use both frequently.

My preference is to the 870, but my Mossbergs have given great service.

Gord
April 8, 2008, 10:38 PM
Don't you want a currents answers for your poll question.

So if I'm wondering this same thing, should I make another poll right on top of this one?

It's not as if this doesn't come up every couple of weeks at the longest. By the way, fellas, 9mm vs. .45: go!

earthling?
April 8, 2008, 10:49 PM
I had both at one time. I got rid of the 870 and went hunting with the 500. Never shot anything with it but I still have it. It is a 20", and is great for home defense and is a keeper.

guntotinguy
April 8, 2008, 10:51 PM
Mossberg 500...I like the Rem 870's but the Mossberg 500 tactical I have,seems to work better for me,thats my vote.

Chris B
April 8, 2008, 11:03 PM
This same thread (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=352112) was posted literally a week ago.


I still say 870 but go with what feels best. You can get the 870 express combo with a 20" smoothbore (perfect for deer and unwelcome guests) and a 26" field barrell for the birds and clays.

mossberg
April 8, 2008, 11:55 PM
I voted 500.

Blarelli
April 8, 2008, 11:58 PM
I have owned both, and I thought that the Remington was by far the better gun.

41magsnub
April 9, 2008, 12:02 AM
Ford vs. Chevy

mossberg
April 9, 2008, 12:10 AM
Wheres the Dodge? (Winchester 1300) Not my favorite, In fact it's my third choice but, alas, I am wondering how many fans there are of that gun. I would like the 870 more than the 500 but that loading gate being down just isn't for me.

dasanii19
April 9, 2008, 12:13 AM
The Remington 870 always wins in poll' over the Mossberg... :):):):)

ozwyn
April 9, 2008, 03:07 PM
You need a 3rd choice: "they are both great, flip a coin".

mossberg
April 9, 2008, 07:12 PM
dasanii19: I know!:banghead:;)

Come on 500 lovers, we're losing it.

sacp81170a
April 9, 2008, 07:59 PM
The only thing I don't like about Mossbergs is the fixed mag capacity. Otherwise, the ergonomics are better for me as a lefty. Location of the safety is a big issue for me. Mossberg by a hair, though both are fine shotguns.

lvcat2004
April 9, 2008, 09:08 PM
If your best comment is "do a serach" or "this same thread was here", then don't post.

Forum is ever evolving, if you are annoyed by same threads, then ask a moderator to make it a sticky instead of whining and making non-productive comment.

I too am in the market for those 2 tactical shotguns and would like to know the results of the latest poll.

BlackJackal
April 9, 2008, 09:19 PM
I think both are great shotguns, i have more expierence with the 870, but i prefer the controls on the 500/590 better :)

Gordon
April 9, 2008, 10:33 PM
I admit I have a .410 500 Mossy. I have 4 870s for the serious stuff.:p

12Bravo20
April 10, 2008, 01:53 PM
I own 2 Mossberg 500's (12 gage and .410) and own 1 Remington 870. They are both good shotguns. I shoot let hand and prefer the 500 over the 870 due to the controls being more ambidextrous. I don't think that you would go wrong with either one.

md7
April 10, 2008, 05:49 PM
both work very well. pick 'em up, shoot em if you can and get the one you think fits you better. i tend to favor the 870 personally.

ronto
April 10, 2008, 06:02 PM
I got the 500 because of the location of the safety and slide release, the shell elevator doesn't get in the way when loading, 1 more in the standard mag, less expensive and quality just as good as the 870.

Jacka L Ope
April 10, 2008, 06:25 PM
I've 2 870's - a Wingmaster and a 3" Magnum Express. While both are good for hunting, it's the Magnum I keep loaded and handy with 3" 00 buckshot.

boots
April 10, 2008, 11:27 PM
i have owned 4 remington 870s and two have had problems that caused them to go "click" insteead of "boom"...

a lot of people vote remington because they have heard so many people recommend them, but i've found that my winchester 1300 was far more reliable than my remingtons...

the shell latch design seems to be a weak point in the 870 design and defects in the shell latch will cause a FTF(failure to feed) from the mag tube...

not a good thing if your life is on the line...

i hane since switched over to an old double barrel design...

azhunter12
April 10, 2008, 11:30 PM
I would go with an 870

XD-40 Shooter
April 10, 2008, 11:34 PM
I bought my Mossy 500 combo kit back in 2005 for $200 out the door, from Big 5, when they had a sale. I've got both the 28" and the 18" barrels, I keep the 18.5" on it, as I don't hunt with it. For the money, I'm very pleased with it, it may not be as refined as the 870, but its a good, solid, reliable shotgun. I also like the tang safety and its location much better, than the trigger position on the 870.

Hot brass
April 11, 2008, 12:01 AM
I have a post a week ago on 870 vs 500. Got the 870.

jaycesays
April 12, 2008, 03:59 PM
I prefer 870s, I have two. I have a 500, I just don't use it very often for one reason or another. I do like the control layout on the 500 better but the 870 just feels better built, though that may be a matter of personal perception.

Cleaning a 500 is kind of annoying after you've gotten used to stripping an 870. They're both great guns though, with that being said there's no task you can perform with an 870 that you can't with a 500...870's just do them better : )

Auburn1992
April 12, 2008, 04:05 PM
870 without a second thought

throdgrain
April 12, 2008, 08:46 PM
I had a problem with my 500 feeding shells, but after fixing it , it must have had maybe another 2000 shells through it -at least - without a further jam or any other problem. Its a good gun.

BOXRULES
April 14, 2008, 05:52 PM
I Have An 870 Marine Magnum I Used To Take Deer With And Has Always Been My #1 Home Defense. Has Worked Well For Both!!!!

freebird
April 15, 2008, 05:01 PM
Funny that I found this thread! I was just yesterday at Gander Mountain and they had a used 870 magnum for $199.00 but the wood stocks were nicked quite a bit and a special on a New Mossberg 500 for $199.00 at Dicks Sporting Goods? I wanted to know which would be the best route to go? They had another 870 in much better condition for $299.00. Which route would you all go? I like the looks of the 870 better with real wood compaired to the Mossberg with the fake looking wood. But one is new and the other used. Any opinions please?:confused::confused:

ArmedBear
April 15, 2008, 05:04 PM
I prefer where the safety is on a Mossberg, and the open loading port.

I prefer the slide release on the 870.

Sergeant Sabre
April 15, 2008, 05:11 PM
It really does come down to personal preference.

I prefer the Mossberg. Here's why:

1) The aluminum receiver makes it a lot lighter. You carry it more than you shoot it, and I like light, compact, powerful shotguns.

2) I much prefer the Mossberg safety position. Starting with my finger off the trigger, I can remove the safety and move my finger to the trigger with one motion. With the Remington one must move their finger behind the trigger to disengage the safey, then back forward to contact the trigger.

3) The action bar lock / slide release location. Easy to hit with my middle finger on the Mossberg while still maintaining a firing grip.

4) I like to be a bit different.

Small points, maybe, but we gun-owners are a very particular bunch when it comes to our gear.

Ash
April 15, 2008, 05:20 PM
As I have mentioned in the past, I prefer the Mossberg. My first pump was an 870 Express. It took out many ducks. Later, I ended up with a Western Field 550, which is the Montgomery Ward version of the Mossberg 500 (quite a handsome shotgun). I really liked it, liked the way it handled, liked the features as mentioned above, and now no longer have the 870. This is not mine, but an example of the 550 Deluxe.

Ash

freebird
April 15, 2008, 05:27 PM
That is a very pretty gun!

sparkyguy
April 15, 2008, 05:28 PM
I have 2 870's and both have never given me a single problem. One is a 3" Express Magnum, the other a Wingmaster. Couldn't ask for anything more from a pump.

ronwill
April 15, 2008, 05:31 PM
I've owned both and still have my 870. Wasn't impressed with the Mossberg and its "select choke" at the time. My vote is for the 870.

freebird
April 15, 2008, 05:40 PM
So are both worth the $200.00?????

1557
April 15, 2008, 05:42 PM
Hand me either one in a pinch,and I'm good to go.More familiar with 870's,but there ain't a thing wrong with the Mossberg.

Sergeant Sabre
April 15, 2008, 06:36 PM
So are both worth the $200.00?????

I'd say so. I bought my Mossberg 500 12ga used, but in like-new condition about 8 years ago for $200 (talked them down from $220). I'd say $200 is good for a used Mossberg, and really good for a used 870 since they usually go for a bit more.

MCgunner
April 15, 2008, 08:08 PM
For waterfowling or any bird hunting, I prefer my Mossberg. I had a Wingmaster 35 years ago, sold it. There are a few things I just prefer about the way the Mossberg works. Quality of manufacture would probably go to the Wingmaster, well, that's sort of up in the air. Ain't a lot of difference I could see. However, the finish on the Express just plain sux. They'll go to rust in about 10 minutes out on the bay. In camo, my Mossy is still pretty clean if scarred up a bit, after 20 years of hard use on ducks and geese much of it in salty environments. And, Remington has really gone down hill in the last 10 years IMHO. In pumps, I really prefer Browning, truth be told. But, I'm thinkin' serious about a Mossberg 935 camo for waterfowling.

2) I much prefer the Mossberg safety position. Starting with my finger off the trigger, I can remove the safety and move my finger to the trigger with one motion. With the Remington one must move their finger behind the trigger to disengage the safey, then back forward to contact the trigger.

You can quadruple that for lefties like me. I've said it before, crossbolt safeties just plain suck.

I like the fact that the Mossy has no shell elevator in the way on loading. I don't have to hold the elevator down with my off hand on a bitchin' cold day to keep it from pinching my thumb or hanging my glove up in it. I have hunted ducks many days when my fingers were numbed by the cold. That shell elevator hurts.

mossberg
April 15, 2008, 09:12 PM
A to the MEN

Sergeant Sabre
April 15, 2008, 09:37 PM
I like the fact that the Mossy has no shell elevator in the way on loading. I don't have to hold the elevator down with my off hand on a bitchin' cold day to keep it from pinching my thumb or hanging my glove up in it. I have hunted ducks many days when my fingers were numbed by the cold. That shell elevator hurts

Yep. I forgot this one:

5) Shell lifter is in the up position when in battery, as opposed to the Remington's lifter in the down position. I find it easier to load in a hurry without Remington's little pinball-flipper of a shell lifter flipping a shell out of my hand if I fumble it a bit. Also that thing comes down on the top of my thumb when I load a shell. I hate that.

coloradokevin
April 16, 2008, 07:13 AM
I've used both...

Grew up on a Mossberg 500... It was my primary duty deer gun (Grew up in Ohio which is shotgun only for deer), general purpose hunting shotgun, and clay breaker. When I bought it I got a 28" barrel with screw-in chokes, and a 24" fully rifled slug barrel, at a price that was more reasonable than the Rem 870.

I now have a department issued Remington 870. It isn't the "police" model, as my department is too cheap to buy those! Just the standard 18" barrel 870 "express magnum" with black furniture.

Both firearms function fine. Surprisingly, I like my Mossberg better. To me, it is more ergronomic... I like the location of the safety on the Mossberg, as well as the slide release.

Admittedly, part of my bias could have come from years of familiarity with the Mossberg before carrying an 870.

okiewita40
April 16, 2008, 11:15 PM
I like the lighter weight of the mossberg.

poe
April 20, 2008, 07:38 PM
Well.....the United States Military chose the Mossberg.

Sergeant Sabre
April 20, 2008, 08:17 PM
Well.....the United States Military chose the Mossberg.

There are Remingtons floating around, too. The ambidextrous safety of the Mossberg probably has a lot to do with it being the "official" choice.

jmr40
April 20, 2008, 09:29 PM
The military got the Mossberg by default. No other company submitted any guns to be tested. The military does not test guns and give the contract to the best gun. They set a minimum standard that the gun must perform and any gun that passes can bid. Low bid gets the contract. While no one knows for sure why no one else submitted any guns the best guess is that the military set the bar pretty low and any gun would pass. All of the other companies knew Mossberg would under bid them.

KillerDemon
April 29, 2008, 07:53 PM
I like the Mossberg 500 better.

1557
April 30, 2008, 09:08 AM
I"ve been on a fighting shotgun kick myself recently.I cut my teeth on quail with a 16 ga. 870 as a boy. Used an 870 in my police career,so it's the gun I'm most familiar with.I've yet to find any fault with them for my purposes.
I have a 12 and 20 in fighting configuration and recently just picked up a new Mossberg maverick (new,unfired ) in a trade. I'm now after a 930 SPX Mossy. To be honest I like the little Maverick althiough it's an inexpensive gun. I've run a lot of 00B thru it and it patterns the 12 pellet loads just great.
It's light with a five round tube and easy to swing and handle at speed.
It's really about all I'd ever need ,but it's nice to have others.As someone else mentioned it's real easy to reload on the fly due to the elevator being in the up position and out of the way of the mag tube. I'm still planning on the 930SPX,tho just for the fun of it.
I like the standard 2 3/4 in. 12 pellet 00 loads.

RIATAC45
April 30, 2008, 12:49 PM
My first gun was a New Haven 600ab 12ga witch is a Mossberg 500 (still have it). It was given to me by my Grandfather when I was 10 or so. I have put 2500rds+ through it. It has never let me down, if I do my part.

I have never owned a Remington shotgun, so i can comment on the 870.

Defensory
May 1, 2008, 01:41 AM
Posted by jmr40
The military got the Mossberg by default. No other company submitted any guns to be tested. The military does not test guns and give the contract to the best gun. They set a minimum standard that the gun must perform and any gun that passes can bid. Low bid gets the contract. While no one knows for sure why no one else submitted any guns the best guess is that the military set the bar pretty low and any gun would pass. All of the other companies knew Mossberg would under bid them.

The U.S. military most certainly does test all the weapons they select. The Mossberg beat out all other competitors in actual testing, thus was selected to be the primary combat shotgun in 1987.

All weapons were torture tested, including a brutal drop test. Remington knew their weapon wouldn't perform too well in a torture test, nor in an extended military combat field environment for that matter. The Remmies are far better suited for riding around in air-conditioned police cruisers.

A Mossberg can withstand harsher treatment than a Remmy. The folks at Remmy understood that, so they didn't want to risk losing high-dollar law enforcement contracts and civilian sales, by losing a head-to-head matchup with Mossberg in an extensive military torture test. So they wisely declined to submit an 870 for testing.

jmr40
May 1, 2008, 08:11 AM
This is the first I have heard of this. From everything I have read Mossberg was the only company to submit a gun to be tested and that it met the military's criteria.

Do you know which other guns were tested and how they fared?

Defensory
May 2, 2008, 01:51 AM
Posted by jmr40:
This is the first I have heard of this. From everything I have read Mossberg was the only company to submit a gun to be tested and that it met the military's criteria. Do you know which other guns were tested and how they fared?

The weapons have to meet certain basic military criteria just to qualify for the test. All submitted models meeting the basic criteria are then fully tested. No weapon is selected without having been thoroughly tested.

In 1998, the military decided they wanted to add a semi-automatic shotgun to their inventory. Extensive testing conducted by the the U.S. Army Armaments Research, Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC, headquartered at Picatinny Arsenal, NJ) was done at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland.

The Benelli M4 Super 90 was chosen as the winner over the other shotguns submitted. This easily falsifies the myth that the least expensive shotgun automatically gets the contract, because the Benelli M4 is one of the most expensive tactical shotguns on the market.

Remington, Mossberg and virtually any other U.S. shotgun manufacturer could easily undercut Benelli on price. Anybody who's ever spent an hour in a gun shop pricing shotguns knows that.

The Benelli won the 1998 semi-auto test because it was darn good, the same reason Mossberg won the pump test in 1987. In fact, in the last few years multiple military branches have placed additional orders for the Mossberg. While shotguns that have been in limited use, such as the Winchester 1200, have been discontinued and are no longer supported.

A Mossie can take a harder lickin' and keep on tickin'. Not to mention that anybody who's spent a lot of time in the field carrying a shotgun, whether soldier or civilian, surely appreciates the lighter weight aluminum receiver on the Mossie.

Dksimon
May 2, 2008, 02:04 AM
I have never shot a 500 but I learned how to soot shotguns with my dads model 870. We have 3 870's so i guess you could say we are a remington family.

I would have to say that you should pick which one feels better in your hands as they both seem to be excellent shotguns

3 gun
May 2, 2008, 03:06 AM
I've had both, still have 500s. Shot Trap better with the 870, Skeet and Sporting Clays with the 500 and a wash in three gun shoots. I use a couple thousand a year in various loads from mild to wild. The 500 will cost less at least here in Ohio and I'd expect my grand kids would have to finish wearing either out.

bharen
May 2, 2008, 07:44 AM
I'm a southpaw. For me the 500's controls are better laid out. However, the standard stock shape (LOP, drop, and comb) on the Remington is FAR better. When I shoulder the 870 my eye is in natural alignment with the barrel. When I shoulder my 500 I have to shift my head around to get a proper alignment. Shooting trap with the Mossberg is a chore. Shooting trap with the Remington is a joy. That's why I own one Mossberg and three Remingtons.

Perfect world? A Remington 870 with either an ambidextrous or user-reversible safety. Why Remington hasn't figured this out yet is beyond me.

ZedD
May 2, 2008, 09:07 AM
Amen; user reversible safety on the 870 would be nice.

Why is it that the moss. is often touted as being light weight because of it's aluminum reciever. I've taken to recording the weight of my shotguns the last few yrs, & was struck by how overweight my 20 ga moss. seemed to be.

A 26 in. barreled 20 ga. moss. weighing only 3 oz. less than my 28 in. barreled 12 ga wingmaster didn't seem all that light weight.
To be fair, I'll admit the moss had a ribbed barrel with choke tubes, while the wm is a plain barrel fixed choke.

But weighing 1lb, 2oz more than my steel reciever 20 ga. ithaca 37 pretty much ends any notion of the aluminum mossy being lightweight.

Old Guy
May 2, 2008, 09:19 AM
2) I much prefer the Mossberg safety position. Starting with my finger off the trigger, I can remove the safety and move my finger to the trigger with one motion. With the Remington one must move their finger behind the trigger to disengage the safety, then back forward to contact the trigger.
Sgt Sabre posted the above comment.

Being right handed the position of the safety perfect on the 870 for me, just swap it for the Jumbo one, so that laying the finger into the trigger pushes it off. The S/C on the Mossberg Police 500 with my method of carry (loaded, safety on) means I have to open my hand to disengage it, and it feels kind of scratchy

We have a Shotgun Waiver for our Security use of Shotguns. Required for duty carry of S/Gs here in Florida. Select based on job

The "Job" escorting employees from a building, after 8PM (most nights) to their POV, said vehicles parked on parking lot (public one) kind of a not so good neighborhood. The Mossberg 500 needed two hand carry to feel comfortable, my 870 with full pistol gripped Chote stock lies up along side the body, yet flips up to the shoulder, and going for the trigger wipes the safety off, and the 870 along side the cheek is perfect in the bead in front of master eye department.

The rapid pumping of the 870 is way slicker than the 500, for me.

Ash
May 2, 2008, 10:17 AM
There can be no question the 870 is better for pistol-gripped applications because of its safety location. But, the 870 isn't so much better made. Quality wise, they are the same and to say otherwise is just playing brand favorites.

I like Mossbergs, sure, and retired my 870 in favor of an even older Mossberg. A big reason is that when shooting over/unders, it is easier for me to transition back to the Mossberg than an 870. Were I to be shooting my Savage 720 more often, I would probably prefer the 870 safety. Unless that happens, the commonality of safety locations between virtually all over/unders and the Mossberg shotguns keeps me in the Mossy camp.

Ash

lions
May 2, 2008, 02:33 PM
I grew up on the 870, never considered anything else... untill recently. My friend just bought a 500 a couple weeks ago and i feel like i have been cheating on my 870 ever since. I plan on buying a mossberg in the near future. I like the controls a little better and it just seems to fit me better. Still love my 870 though, don't think it will ever see the back of the gun safe.

Trex
May 2, 2008, 10:07 PM
md7 hit it right on the head. Both are excellent guns and it comes down in the end to personal choice, the way it feels to the user. Some people like steak and some like ribs.

Visit the local ranges, find out who is shooting what and explain your situation. Ask to test-fire each of them - 95% of shooters will be happy to help out. Put a box of ammo through each make. Whichever one feels best to you is the one to go for.

Wayne G.
May 2, 2008, 10:54 PM
The U.S. military most certainly does test all the weapons they select. The Mossberg beat out all other competitors in actual testing, thus was selected to be the primary combat shotgun in 1987.
What other shotguns were tested?

All weapons were torture tested, including a brutal drop test. Remington knew their weapon wouldn't perform too well in a torture test, nor in an extended military combat field environment for that matter. The Remmies are far better suited for riding around in air-conditioned police cruisers.
Link?

A Mossberg can withstand harsher treatment than a Remmy. The folks at Remmy understood that, so they didn't want to risk losing high-dollar law enforcement contracts and civilian sales, by losing a head-to-head matchup with Mossberg in an extensive military torture test. So they wisely declined to submit an 870 for testing.
Links?--especially concerning Remington's rationale for not submitting a shotgun for testing. By the way, since Remington declined to submit a shotgun for military testing, on what tests are you basing your claims that Remington is deficient in the durability department?

Blue02Formula
May 3, 2008, 09:46 AM
I like my 870 MM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/blue02formula/rem870mm.jpg

Master of Arms
May 5, 2008, 09:04 PM
I`ve had terrible experience with the Remington 870 express as a matter of fact I`ve had terrible experiences with remingtons in general and also with the Remy ammo so I definately wouldn`t buy a remington. I have a Mossberg 12 guage that I have put thousands of rounds through and my father had put many,many rounds through it before I got it and let me tell ya, I love it. After all the rounds that have been fired through it you would think that it would need a barrel or some sort of part but it has never had anything done to it other than an occasional cleaning so I would suggest for you to get yourself that Mossberg.
Well.....the United States Military chose the Mossberg.
Exactly and don`t believe for a second that the military doesn`t test their weapons.
You`ll find that many people own the remys but that doesn`t make them any better. I bought an 870 a few years ago and had some issues with it so I took it back only to recieve another remy with the same issue + more. I took it back and got a refund. I also had a Remy 30-06 which constantly jammed up with me, and a remington 1100 that I had to disassemble on most hunting trips to clear a jam so this is why I`ll never buy another remy again. Kool, that rhymed.

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